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Post by japantv1210 on Jun 27, 2013 14:43:23 GMT -5
I actually liked it. It's good to see an obstacle testing different abilities of a competitor IMO. I wouldn't want just another generic hanging by your arms obstacle that someone like Yuuji or Ryo would complete with ease. There should be a good amount of obstacles that test different abilities of competitors. I hope they keep the 2nd stage how it was in this tournament, including the time limit.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jun 27, 2013 14:52:14 GMT -5
I think it's more after speeding through the first 3 and a half obstacles (what... that Unstable Bridge is not the real version ) people were too out of breath to stay at the bottom that long
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Post by thebobmaster on Jun 27, 2013 15:14:01 GMT -5
It being a harder obstacle is fine. Honestly, I was glad they made it harder. But making one of the obstacles a lot harder, than cutting the time limit by 1/3rd is a little much. When the "blazing fast" clear time is 5 seconds remaining, that's too much.
I don't mind timesink obstacles. I don't mind tight time limits. But it's a bit much to have both.
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Post by jfeathe on Jun 27, 2013 15:28:25 GMT -5
Sasuke tests strength, balance, power, and endurance. These are very broad skills, and Sasuke uses many different types of obstacles to tests these skills.
Swimming is a very specific skill and should remain outside the required skill set for a Sasuke competitor.
It just doesn't fit with the theme and history of Sasuke.
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Post by nehcney on Jun 27, 2013 17:40:47 GMT -5
My question is, are the competitors briefed on the way the backstream flows underwater? Because that could make all the difference.
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Post by Badalight on Jun 27, 2013 17:43:42 GMT -5
The backstream combined with the time limit made stage 2 a little too hard... let's be honest. Personally I have always been a fan of the old stage 2's were the time limit was super strict, but this was overkill. People who had perfect runs were BARELY clearing. Kongu was beast mode the whole way through and he was in the red. It's not even a matter on "did the competitor go slow or not?" it's "did the competitor act perfectly on every obstacle not wasting a single second anywhere". Jesus
Yuuji, Ryo, Shunsuke, Hiroki, Lee, Kouji... Man that would have been a badass stage 3 to watch.
I'm not complaining that it was harder, but I think it was a bit TOO hard all things considered. I'd rather have a super strong reverse conveyor belt than the backstream.
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Post by TCM on Jun 27, 2013 17:48:32 GMT -5
I like the Backstream, it's a neat way of changing everyone's expectations of what you need to do on the course. I also like that it was made harder. That being said, it was made much harder than was necessary, not to mention the massive time cut didn't help. I would either tone it back down, or simply scrap it.
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Post by RedHerring on Jun 27, 2013 17:58:21 GMT -5
My question is, are the competitors briefed on the way the backstream flows underwater? Because that could make all the difference. Exactly. It didn't seem like they were aware of how the stream was flowing. Or rather, how it was supposed to flow.
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Post by nehcney on Jun 27, 2013 18:00:04 GMT -5
^ Yeah right? Why didn't they just swim on the bottom?
Also Yuusuke Morimoto didn't even lift the last wall, is that even allowed?? Apparently so but doesn't that kinda defeat the purpose of the walls in the first place? Then everybody would just slide through the bottom slit...
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Post by SKC99 on Jun 27, 2013 18:07:52 GMT -5
The backstream combined with the time limit made stage 2 a little too hard... let's be honest. Personally I have always been a fan of the old stage 2's were the time limit was super strict, but this was overkill. People who had perfect runs were BARELY clearing. Kongu was beast mode the whole way through and he was in the red. It's not even a matter on "did the competitor go slow or not?" it's "did the competitor act perfectly on every obstacle not wasting a single second anywhere". Jesus Yuuji, Ryo, Shunsuke, Hiroki, Lee, Kouji... Man that would have been a badass stage 3 to watch. I'm not complaining that it was harder, but I think it was a bit TOO hard all things considered. I'd rather have a super strong reverse conveyor belt than the backstream. Hiroki? I don't think so he cleared Stage 1 (He might have NOT competed!)! Who are you exactly talking about?
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Post by Badalight on Jun 27, 2013 18:18:56 GMT -5
The backstream combined with the time limit made stage 2 a little too hard... let's be honest. Personally I have always been a fan of the old stage 2's were the time limit was super strict, but this was overkill. People who had perfect runs were BARELY clearing. Kongu was beast mode the whole way through and he was in the red. It's not even a matter on "did the competitor go slow or not?" it's "did the competitor act perfectly on every obstacle not wasting a single second anywhere". Jesus Yuuji, Ryo, Shunsuke, Hiroki, Lee, Kouji... Man that would have been a badass stage 3 to watch. I'm not complaining that it was harder, but I think it was a bit TOO hard all things considered. I'd rather have a super strong reverse conveyor belt than the backstream. Hiroki? I don't think so he cleared Stage 1 (He might have NOT competed!)! Who are you exactly talking about? I meant Hioki.
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Post by jfeathe on Jun 27, 2013 19:23:56 GMT -5
The thing with the old second stages, and the later pre-Shin Sasuke second stages was that you could bobble once or twice, but still make it through if you flew through the course.
Here, not only were the obstacles very difficult, there was ZERO room for any mistakes. 90 seconds with the Reverse Conveyor Belt would have worked.
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Post by cole77000 on Jun 27, 2013 21:50:53 GMT -5
I'm surprised nobody mentioned this yet.
First of all: 1. I don't really care for the "it's not Sasuke" argument. I'm on the fence about it. Its a bit odd in the fact that it breaks continuity, but that's not my main problem 2. I tests a skill. That's fine. Whether or not it is a "special case" type skill where its either someone is good or bad at it, I'm on the fence as well. 3. I don't mind the difficulty level really. Could be less difficult, but that's not too bad.
The thing that irks me really is that IT IS BORING AS HELL TO WATCH.
That's all.
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Post by SRW on Jun 28, 2013 10:08:41 GMT -5
BACK STREAM >>>>>>>>>>>>> REVERSE CONEYER
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Post by scnoi1217 on Jun 28, 2013 14:55:35 GMT -5
I came across this on youtube. It shows Shingo, Koji, and Kongu on the Backstream:
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Post by arsenette on Jun 28, 2013 15:01:57 GMT -5
Wow that's a violent difference.. so the flow changed a lot during the course of the 2nd stage. Explains Shingo and Kouji's comment. Notice the violent backlash of the Japanese commenting as well. This went on in twitter for a while.. they were not happy about it. Not just results-wise.. they hate the obstacle. That's been the same since 28 but stronger criticism now since it seems it wasn't an even playing field.
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Post by scnoi1217 on Jun 28, 2013 21:19:31 GMT -5
Re-watching the competition, it definitely decreased turbulence after Kouji's run (so Li's run onward).
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Post by VeryCoolAlan on Jun 29, 2013 10:53:05 GMT -5
Lol yup I agree 100%
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Post by wrestlingfan55 on Jun 29, 2013 12:05:03 GMT -5
I love it now. A great stage overall too, though the time limit should be raised by about 5-10 seconds and the the water current lessened a little. That was honestly a very exciting stage.
And isn't the front crawl generally a faster stroke than the breast-stroke?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2013 14:08:54 GMT -5
It depends. I've only recently learned to swim. I mostly learned the front crawl because it's pretty basic, but it can get tiring rather quickly. Shingo may have found that the breast stroke is more efficient and/or less tiring.
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