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Post by ayame on Jan 23, 2013 8:07:16 GMT -5
That's right - Nagano deliberately failed at the 2nd warped wall to be in solidarity with the other All-Stars, and to protest the network who wants to replace them in their hubris.
We all saw how he took his time - not wanting to win. It was a show for ratings - which dramatically dropped after all the all stars bailed out.
The decision to replace them is probably based on wanting new characters, people who can advertise products. There is no frikkin reason in hell to replace them even if they are no longer the main cast, because from out of 100 competitors you get to see like 30 or so anyway only.
Why not let them compete? I'd rather have them replace Mr. Octopus or some of these other clows that were funny a few times, but after 20 times seeing them fail on the first 3 obstacles, it really gets old.
It's a total fail decision to kick the All-Stars. Because the game has become more about characters trying to achieve something, about tragedy, and about success. So even though Yamada is 47 and old, and who knows if he will ever pass Stage 1 again... THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE LOVE TO SEE - and if he manages to become more relaxed and take it easy with a smile (which is really the secret why he always fails - he's too tightly wound about the whole thing).
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Post by Philip on Jan 23, 2013 11:08:24 GMT -5
I'm not exactly sure what the point of your post is, Ayame, but since this is a thread about Nagano, I felt like he just gave up on the 2nd Warped Wall. He didn't even care. |
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Post by Badalight on Jan 23, 2013 12:40:17 GMT -5
We don't want your conspiracy theories.
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Post by Philip on Jan 23, 2013 12:44:47 GMT -5
We don't want your conspiracy theories. I don't have any. Or are you talking to Ayame? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2013 12:59:59 GMT -5
I don't think Nagano started out intending to fail. If that was the case, he'd have fallen earlier, on the RE of the Jump Hang Kai. He had plenty of time when he got to the Double Warped Wall. But remember, Takeda (and the other All-Stars) failed before him. Most of the time, if Takeda fails, so does Nagano. I think Philip is right. Nagano just gave up.
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Post by yamfriend on Jan 23, 2013 13:11:20 GMT -5
I'd rather have them replace Mr. Octopus or some of these other clows that were funny a few times, but after 20 times seeing them fail on the first 3 obstacles, it really gets old.  |
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Post by wrestlingfan55 on Jan 23, 2013 13:22:55 GMT -5
I completely agree with that last paragraph.
But maybe Nagano just didn't have it in him this time.
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Post by thatoneuser on Jan 23, 2013 13:26:17 GMT -5
I'd rather have them replace Mr. Octopus or some of these other clows that were funny a few times, but after 20 times seeing them fail on the first 3 obstacles, it really gets old. That's an accurate description of this whole thread. I am guilty of concocting a SASUKE conspiracy in the past but this is bogus. If anything Nagano wanted more to clear to carry on the All-Star legacy. |
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Post by Badalight on Jan 23, 2013 13:38:24 GMT -5
He's had troubles on the warped wall before - this isn't new. Nagano has stated multiple times that your legs are the first things to go out on you, and look how short the dude is. It's not unbelievable he had trouble getting up the second wall at all, especially after a year of no Sasuke. He has a family now too, he doesn't really train like he used to.
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Post by dudesky1000 on Jan 23, 2013 15:48:49 GMT -5
I don't know guys... I could buy it. He probably said something like, "we all failed stage one, this is no way to retire, we'll all be back next time or else" and they cut it from the broadcast entirely.
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Post by VenusHeadTrap on Jan 23, 2013 16:58:52 GMT -5
I got a comment on one of my videos stating the exact same thing about Nagano's deliberate fail. It really got me thinking. Though, Badalight makes a pretty good point about what Makoto said in the past... I don't know guys... I could buy it. He probably said something like, "we all failed stage one, this is no way to retire, we'll all be back next time or else" and they cut it from the broadcast entirely. or else what? |
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Post by scnoi1217 on Jan 23, 2013 17:47:16 GMT -5
Conspiracy theories aside, he looked pretty pissed (by Nagano standards) after failing the WW. Even throwing down his elbow pad, so he was definitely frustrated. I highly highly doubt there was any other motive here. He just could not get up the wall.
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Post by midoriyamanosaru on Jan 23, 2013 21:31:42 GMT -5
Nagano said to the camera before his run something like this (if my memory serves me right), "All other all-stars failed, but I will clear the first stage."
So he was determined to give his 110% to clear the stage, I suspect.
And remember he's a fisherman. You know fisherman's life. Majority of time in his daily life, he spends on sea. So it's quite natural that his leg strength droped off significantly during the long hiatus. He must have had few time to train his lower body.
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Post by detroitlolcat on Jan 24, 2013 1:30:21 GMT -5
Yeah, Nagano really wanted to clear the wall, and given his advanced age by SASUKE standards and height of slightly under 5'4'', the Warped Wall is a difficult obstacle for him. He's not done by any means, as competitors older than him (read:Okuyama) have cleared the wall before. Even Yamada cleared it once at age 44, so if Nagano wants to keep going he definitely has it in him to clear the Wall and First Stage.
He doesn't want to quit SASUKE with a whimper, and I doubt he would throw the First Stage to be with his fellow All-Stars.
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Post by wrestlingfan55 on Jan 24, 2013 12:36:27 GMT -5
Eh he's human, so he probably was pi**ed off.
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Post by Philip on Jan 24, 2013 14:23:39 GMT -5
He got up the first wall so easily though.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jan 24, 2013 14:30:12 GMT -5
He got up the first wall so easily though. That's also like a foot shorter, not many people even struggled with it... I can only remember 2... one guy who just didn't know how to handle the wall and Yamada |
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Post by wrestlingfan55 on Jan 24, 2013 14:56:21 GMT -5
He got up the first wall so easily though. That's also like a foot shorter, not many people even struggled with it... I can only remember 2... one guy who just didn't know how to handle the wall and Yamada Yeah but the way he did it with such casual ease lead me to believe he'd beat the second one. |
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Post by ayame on Jan 24, 2013 15:51:55 GMT -5
of course he could have beaten the 2nd wall. he didn't even try. he had 50 seconds left and did everything he could to waste them away, looking at the wall, taking half-assed in-runs...
The only reasons he did not manage the wall is: 1.) he didn't want to. 2.) he was ordered not to pass stage 1 by the producers , or 3.) the wall coating somehow was too slippery already for the last competitor.
And don't tell he that Nagano hadn't trained as much for this one... he frikkin doesn't need much training working 25 days in a row as a fisherman with 5 days off.
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Post by Badalight on Jan 24, 2013 16:58:05 GMT -5
of course he could have beaten the 2nd wall. he didn't even try. he had 50 seconds left and did everything he could to waste them away, looking at the wall, taking half-assed in-runs... The only reasons he did not manage the wall is: 1.) he didn't want to. 2.) he was ordered not to pass stage 1 by the producers , or 3.) the wall coating somehow was too slippery already for the last competitor. And don't tell he that Nagano hadn't trained as much for this one... he frikkin doesn't need much training working 25 days in a row as a fisherman with 5 days off. Please go away. Nagano himself said he was more motivated to pass stage 1 than ever before, and you could tell he was pissed he wasn't able to get up that wall. |
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