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Post by Philip on Jan 14, 2013 13:45:06 GMT -5
The Cliffhanger is about grip AND forearm strength... however for Yuuji he just didn't know the technique.
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Post by Badalight on Jan 14, 2013 17:35:44 GMT -5
I don't think you understand. The cliff-hanger is entirely reliant on your fingers. You can have dead tired arms and still perform the cliff-hanger well. That doesn't sound right...at all. Maybe so - but I do have a cliff-hanger of my own which I can perform regardless of how tired my arms are.
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Post by arsenette on Jan 14, 2013 18:25:00 GMT -5
If you did all 3 stages, stood out in a cold outdoor field for 18 hours.. endured the stress of being the #1 guy.. did the paddler and then tried a modified cliffhanger with a jump I'd love to hear your argument about your arms not being tired. Especially when Yuuji already said he was tired after the paddler.
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Post by Badalight on Jan 15, 2013 4:28:42 GMT -5
If you did all 3 stages, stood out in a cold outdoor field for 18 hours.. endured the stress of being the #1 guy.. did the paddler and then tried a modified cliffhanger with a jump I'd love to hear your argument about your arms not being tired. Especially when Yuuji already said he was tired after the paddler. Missing my point completely. I said it was other factors that got him, I don't think it was the paddler.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jan 15, 2013 11:30:50 GMT -5
If you did all 3 stages, stood out in a cold outdoor field for 18 hours.. endured the stress of being the #1 guy.. did the paddler and then tried a modified cliffhanger with a jump I'd love to hear your argument about your arms not being tired. Especially when Yuuji already said he was tired after the paddler. Missing my point completely. I said it was other factors that got him, I don't think it was the paddler. I think you're also missing something too... considering the fact her source is Yuuji himself... i.e. citing a fact and not an opinion...
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Post by Badalight on Jan 15, 2013 18:02:17 GMT -5
He said he was tired from the paddler - he never said the paddler was the reason he failed the cliff-hanger. Huuuuuge difference.
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Post by jfeathe on Jan 15, 2013 18:47:17 GMT -5
Even if the Cliff Hanger is purely finger based, it seems to me that the big jump would require arm strength in the form of building up momentum and steadying yourself before and after the jump.
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Post by Badalight on Jan 15, 2013 18:53:22 GMT -5
Fair enough, but I don't think the Iron Paddler sealed the deal - there are far more factors that I think had a bigger responsibility, such as the coldness.
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Post by wrestlingfan55 on Jan 16, 2013 12:43:57 GMT -5
I honestly don't think he was affected THAT much by the Iron Paddler. Yes he struggled with it, but the way he flew across the CCH before the jump made me think that he was fine. It was just a really hard jump, especially for his first attempt.
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Post by arsenette on Jan 16, 2013 14:47:48 GMT -5
He said he was tired from the paddler - he never said the paddler was the reason he failed the cliff-hanger. Huuuuuge difference. wtf? That was answer in direct response at someone else in Twitter.. to the question if the paddler hurt him for the cliffhanger.. how on Earth is that not the same thing?
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Post by Badalight on Jan 16, 2013 15:01:17 GMT -5
Because they're different.
Hurting you for the cliffhanger doesn't mean he would've passed it had it not been there >_>
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Post by arsenette on Jan 16, 2013 15:04:06 GMT -5
Because they're different. Hurting you for the cliffhanger doesn't mean he would've passed it had it not been there >_> I'm convinced you failed logic and deduction in school. Or worse you are so stubborn, hardheaded or worse in denial to be ever wrong about this that you refuse to accept that is what happened when that person HIMSELF said it.
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Post by Badalight on Jan 16, 2013 16:02:46 GMT -5
I don't know what you're not understanding - so I can't help you.
From what you are saying, Yuuji said the Iron Paddler tired him out. Sure, that's obvious - he was on the thing for an entire minute.
But being tired out from an obstacle =/= that's directly what caused him to fail the next obstacle. There's zero proof he would've passed even if the paddler wasn't there. The fact is he wasn't strong enough to hold on.
I don't know what he said, but I don't think it directly translates to "The iron paddler is the sole reason why I failed the cliff-hanger, if it wasn't there I would have passed it"
and even IF he did, so what? David Campbell said he was going to pass the UCH and he didn't. Words are just words. Get off your high horse maddam.
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Post by arsenette on Jan 16, 2013 16:25:29 GMT -5
and even IF he did, so what? David Campbell said he was going to pass the UCH and he didn't. Words are just words. Get off your high horse maddam. LOL.. get off high horse. Sorry sweetie I can't get on it since you are not only on it but up it's a** I'd rather take the direct answer from the only and defending 2-time champion who never failed Stage 3 (let alone any cliffhanger version he faced) before, than the high and mighty opinion of a boy who claims he would have never failed it because has an obstacle he uses in his garage in isolation. If he said he would have passed it if poor form on the paddler didn't drain him (as was intended and he admits to and will train to correct that problem in the future) I'd take his word over yours. And thus answering the question of this thread which I believe was supposed to have been the purpose of this thread.
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Post by Badalight on Jan 16, 2013 17:55:19 GMT -5
I don't have a problem disagreeing - but I don't think you should tout your opinion as objective.
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Post by arsenette on Jan 16, 2013 23:57:07 GMT -5
I don't have a problem disagreeing - but I don't think you should tout your opinion as objective. I think the issue I'm having is this. The question was simple. "Poll Question: Could Yuuji have cleared the Crazy Cliff Hanger had he not struggled so much on the Iron Paddler?" I personally voted no the day the poll went up. Then the argument started over whether the paddler was even responsible for the CCH fail and how it wasn't a draining obstacle and fingers not being affected by the arms they are attached to.. Then I disagreed with that part of the statement especially since by that point Yuuji had several posts saying the paddler did affect the CCH. Then the argument was over what he was quoted out of context and was not what he meant.. . Then you started to argue with what he said after it was proven it wasn't taken out of context.. so that's the part that had me scratching my head.. you are ARGUING over his comment? Even now I didn't change my vote. I don't think he was ready, however bringing up David C. who has yet to beat any form of the Cliffhanger in Sasuke when Yuuji has two versions.. on his first try.. tipped me over the edge. No disrespect to David because he's a ridiculously strong competitor whom I believe should have had his due to beat this thing now... however.. that was not an appropriate meter for discounting Yuuji saying that the Paddler sapped his strength thus hampering him for the new Cliff he hadn't attempted before. Bottom line though.. the argument I had was not "opinion". You yourself had an issue with Yuuji's declaration that this question directly made important. HE answered the question saying Yes and you at home are said no because of a flawed point of view on the paddler you yourself had not tackled. That's not opinion. Do I think he would have passed it? I still say no. THAT part is opinion. Yuuji saying he would have passed it is not my opinion. He said it himself. It's your problem if you want to believe him or not. Dragging me into that argument didn't help. Plus you know when you push my buttons I bite back
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Post by Badalight on Jan 17, 2013 0:09:54 GMT -5
Alright alright. Thanks for clearing up the air. I wasn't trying to disrepect Yuuji though, he's my favorite non-allstar competitor.
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Post by arsenette on Jan 17, 2013 0:17:37 GMT -5
Alright alright. Thanks for clearing up the air. I wasn't trying to disrepect Yuuji though, he's my favorite non-allstar competitor. Understood
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Post by band97 on Mar 27, 2013 22:48:50 GMT -5
Could he have? Maybe. Will we ever know? Nope.
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