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Post by jfeathe on Jan 10, 2013 21:22:19 GMT -5
It's almost a tie for me. It seems the Iron Paddler took more out of him than any other competitor, but I think even if he breezed through it, his lack of technique would still have caused him to lose his grip on the jump.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jan 10, 2013 21:28:43 GMT -5
Yuuji is a great competitor and a beast at stage 3, but I think his problem came down to technique, there are 2 ways to effectively do the CCH, no one grasped either this time (but people are learning this way so if it works for them whatever). Even with Yuuji's great cliffing skills, I don't think he was ready for the CCH, he barely had touched the ledges enough to catch (granted if you have one hand on perfectly and the other semi-on, you should be able to hang on if you're good enough), but he didn't really have it...
Also I feel really bad for this post, I like Yuuji, but technique was a big issue here as well even if it wasn't the Iron Paddler before it. :/
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Post by yamfriend on Jan 11, 2013 0:13:25 GMT -5
Considering how the CCH deals with a backwards jump (which nobody had seriously trained for before 28), this new concept alone was enough to throw Yuuji off IMO. It's kind of like the SCH was in 18---up to then, nobody had focused their Cliffhanger training on jumping across gaps from one ledge to another.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jan 11, 2013 0:23:05 GMT -5
Considering how the CCH deals with a backwards jump ( which nobody had seriously trained for before 28) * Ahem*... You were saying?
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Post by yamfriend on Jan 11, 2013 0:32:14 GMT -5
Considering how the CCH deals with a backwards jump ( which nobody had seriously trained for before 28) * Ahem*... You were saying? Besides you, Rider. Also, even if some people did attempt something similar to the CCH (such as a few of the UNCLI guys and other STQers), it wasn't their main focus in their training prior to this tournament.
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Post by RedHerring on Jan 11, 2013 2:08:22 GMT -5
Completely agree with everything said above. I think if he had at least one day to practice, he would have gotten it for sure. By now, he probably has like... 5 different versions of that thing. I bet cliffhangers are is primary method of getting around his house.
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Post by Badalight on Jan 11, 2013 2:23:02 GMT -5
Iron paddler was probably tiring, but it doesn't really deal with the same things needed on the cliff-hanger, that's pure fingers. The iron paddler's damage wouldn't have taken affect until further in the stage.
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Post by arsenette on Jan 11, 2013 11:00:00 GMT -5
Iron paddler was probably tiring, but it doesn't really deal with the same things needed on the cliff-hanger, that's pure fingers. The iron paddler's damage wouldn't have taken affect until further in the stage. Uhm.. no. Sapping upper body strength is the key of the paddler.. unless you think fingers are independently detached from any other part of the body?
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Post by wrestlingfan55 on Jan 11, 2013 11:33:37 GMT -5
Nah, dude has ridiculous upper body stamina. I think he would have failed regardless. The force of the jump just ripped his fingers off.
Same with Kanno and Asa.
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Post by scnoi1217 on Jan 11, 2013 14:42:38 GMT -5
Yea, he probably still would have failed either way. I think his jump was good, he just couldn't hang on.
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Post by YoDaUO on Jan 12, 2013 10:57:42 GMT -5
I think he would have cleared it. It seems easier than the UCH and he made that look easy. Only one difference from that pretty much.
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Post by TCM on Jan 12, 2013 12:10:39 GMT -5
Yuuji had about a year of reasonable practice on replicas before his first official attempt at the UCH. Just like he had about two years (assuming he started practicing the SCH around 18) before 22. He's beaten Cliffhangers on his first tries on them; after the fact that he practiced on them.
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Post by Badalight on Jan 12, 2013 13:11:47 GMT -5
Iron paddler was probably tiring, but it doesn't really deal with the same things needed on the cliff-hanger, that's pure fingers. The iron paddler's damage wouldn't have taken affect until further in the stage. Uhm.. no. Sapping upper body strength is the key of the paddler.. unless you think fingers are independently detached from any other part of the body? I don't think you understand. The cliff-hanger is entirely reliant on your fingers. You can have dead tired arms and still perform the cliff-hanger well. I think I'd know as someone who actually trains for Sasuke and has a cliff-hanger, so don't tell me I'm incorrect. Also, the sapping of the upper body strength has is more detrimental later in the stage. It'll have obvious immediate effects, but it'll really start to come into play 4-5 minutes later once the acid starts to sit there more.
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Post by Amber on Jan 12, 2013 13:40:17 GMT -5
I don't think he would. It seems he hadn't trained for a cliffhanger like that. Im sure he could end up completing it sometime.
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Post by YoDaUO on Jan 12, 2013 15:34:14 GMT -5
I think they should make the Cliff Hanger a different design every tournament so people can't just build an exact replica so easily...
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Post by dudesky1000 on Jan 12, 2013 16:06:04 GMT -5
Uhm.. no. Sapping upper body strength is the key of the paddler.. unless you think fingers are independently detached from any other part of the body? I don't think you understand. The cliff-hanger is entirely reliant on your fingers. You can have dead tired arms and still perform the cliff-hanger well. I think I'd know as someone who actually trains for Sasuke and has a cliff-hanger, so don't tell me I'm incorrect. Also, the sapping of the upper body strength has is more detrimental later in the stage. It'll have obvious immediate effects, but it'll really start to come into play 4-5 minutes later once the acid starts to sit there more. I'm not so sure about this. Grip is grip, if your hands have been gripping the paddler hard for an excess of a minute, I could see how that could have detrimental effects on the cliffhanger. Sure, you are not gripping the ledges of the cliffhanger, but your fingers are pulling in as if you were trying to grip something. Of course pushing and pulling movements are completely different and that's upper arms. But forearms are sapped by grip, and believe me, I don't think gripping the paddler is anything to sneeze at.
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Post by wrestlingfan55 on Jan 12, 2013 16:55:01 GMT -5
The paddler looks like it'd be hell on your hands.
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Post by Badalight on Jan 12, 2013 17:52:08 GMT -5
It saps endurance, but shouldn't too much affect on your strength - is what I mean. Besides, Yuuji was flying on the cliff-hanger regardless, and had a good enough jump. He just wasn't strong enough to hold on. Honestly, I think the cold had did much more damage than the first 2 obstacles.
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Post by wrestlingfan55 on Jan 12, 2013 18:45:46 GMT -5
Plus it's Yuuji lol, he doesn't get tired. It was like Nagano in 27, he just didn't have the strength to hold on.
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Post by wrestlingfan55 on Jan 14, 2013 13:27:41 GMT -5
Uhm.. no. Sapping upper body strength is the key of the paddler.. unless you think fingers are independently detached from any other part of the body? I don't think you understand. The cliff-hanger is entirely reliant on your fingers. You can have dead tired arms and still perform the cliff-hanger well. That doesn't sound right...at all.
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