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Post by supernovamaniac on Oct 9, 2012 19:55:38 GMT -5
When things get old, it will change. Keeping it same for next few years will guarantee at least some fan base, but it wouldn't draw in new viewers, given how the show has been doing in the past.
This is just one of those changes where the show is trying to get more viewers by offering its viewers something fresh; something different. Does this mean that its original fans are going to stay? Nobody knows. Only time will tell if they'll like the new format.
One thing is for sure though. This is a new start for them. Sasuke it self is not over. "New beginning, not the end." But to some of us who followed Sasuke due to all-stars, due to competitors who were emotionally attached to the course, it seems like Sasuke that we know is going to end forever.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2012 20:23:09 GMT -5
Here's another thing to consider: with no guaranteed spots, no guarantees that the same people will be there every time, it's not likely that the competitors will form bonds with each other like the All-Stars did. There won't be that sense of camaraderie that the All-Stars have. It seems like the new version is going to focus more on athletics. It will be more about competition than camaraderie. A big part of why many people like Sasuke is because it's all about the competitors against the course, and how they support each other. Remember the videos of when Nagano was in Florida? That's what people kept saying. They love that the All-Stars always support each other on the course. They like the idea of "ordinary people doing extraordinary things." I think that's going to change with the new version of Sasuke. They're going to focus much more on athletes than on regular people, such as blue collar workers like Shingo. Also, they probably won't have the celebrities and comedians. Arsenette and Ube have both pointed out that the celebrities and comedians are a big help with ratings. People tune in to watch their favorite celebrity compete on an obstacle course. Inui seems to be trying to eliminate that. I would think that would hurt the ratings. What I don't understand is why Inui thinks that retiring the fan favorites (the All-Stars) and taking out the funny "joke" competitors is going to help the ratings. It seems to me that this will decrease the ratings, not increase them.
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Post by arsenette on Oct 9, 2012 21:12:58 GMT -5
We'll have to see how they implement the change. Something Ube has been adamant about is that we don't know if it's "Auditions" or "Trials (specifically for Sasuke 28). Each has a completely different connotation and repercussion. Btw to get the conversation about the impact of the All-stars leaving I did another poll sasukemaniac.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=anw4&action=display&thread=4419 That way we can keep the conversation about what will ultimately happen to the show on that thread.
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Post by lostinube on Oct 9, 2012 22:01:59 GMT -5
I do not recall Inui saying "no celebrities."@just that they were going back to the roots of the show. Which has always included celebrities. His (Inui) period included. And there is no indication that all slots are open to the public. At this point, everything we say based simply on tweets is pure speculation.
Also, the SASUKE Rising page now includes a short (15 second) video asking for applications. It says ƒI[ƒfƒBƒVƒ‡ƒ“ (audition) at the end but how they (the producers) and we interpret audition may differ. Trying to have a trial in two different cities on two consecutive days would be difficult unless they do it in the sort of half-assed way that they did before.
Finally, and this is something I have been pounding into the ground for many years, the rest of the world started getting into SASUKE/Ninja Warrior just over halfway through the run in Japan. That is a significant amount of time, around five years or so. The format needs some shaking up. If new management feels a show not centered around the All-Stars is what it takes, they are going to take that chance.
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Post by Philip on Oct 10, 2012 13:29:23 GMT -5
I don't think that the All Stars are the only thing good about Sasuke. There is much more to Sasuke than just 6 of the competitors, how storied they are or not.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Oct 10, 2012 14:15:43 GMT -5
I do not recall Inui saying "no celebrities."�@just that they were going back to the roots of the show. Which has always included celebrities. His (Inui) period included. And there is no indication that all slots are open to the public. At this point, everything we say based simply on tweets is pure speculation. Also, the SASUKE Rising page now includes a short (15 second) video asking for applications. It says ƒI�[ƒfƒBƒVƒ‡ƒ“ (audition) at the end but how they (the producers) and we interpret audition may differ. Trying to have a trial in two different cities on two consecutive days would be difficult unless they do it in the sort of half-assed way that they did before. Finally, and this is something I have been pounding into the ground for many years, the rest of the world started getting into SASUKE/Ninja Warrior just over halfway through the run in Japan. That is a significant amount of time, around five years or so. The format needs some shaking up. If new management feels a show not centered around the All-Stars is what it takes, they are going to take that chance. I think people just started getting the "No celebrities/joke competitor" things off of the rumors that Sasuke is going to turn into more of a sports focused show... I think they'd probably just try to start getting more celebs who have a shot (Like Kane was) or have Celebs willing to start training (I mean really... Did anyone expect Naoto to go farther than all the All-Stars who competed? )
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Post by supernovamaniac on Oct 12, 2012 12:16:11 GMT -5
I don't think that the All Stars are the only thing good about Sasuke. There is much more to Sasuke than just 6 of the competitors, how storied they are or not. There has been much more to SASUKE than just the 6 all-stars. Some people who started following Sasuke after watching the 6 all-stars (good example is Arsenette) are disappointed mainly not because the format of the show is changing, but because they will be 'retired' after this upcoming SASUKE. They like SASUKE because they liked the show. They loved the show because of people involved in it. With the huge chunk of their reason gone, it won't feel the same.
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Post by Philip on Oct 12, 2012 14:24:19 GMT -5
I don't think that the All Stars are the only thing good about Sasuke. There is much more to Sasuke than just 6 of the competitors, how storied they are or not. There has been much more to SASUKE than just the 6 all-stars. Some people who started following Sasuke after watching the 6 all-stars (good example is Arsenette) are disappointed mainly not because the format of the show is changing, but because they will be 'retired' after this upcoming SASUKE. They like SASUKE because they liked the show. They loved the show because of people involved in it. With the huge chunk of their reason gone, it won't feel the same. 6 competitors aren't a huge chunk. They are only a small fraction.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Oct 12, 2012 14:28:36 GMT -5
There has been much more to SASUKE than just the 6 all-stars. Some people who started following Sasuke after watching the 6 all-stars (good example is Arsenette) are disappointed mainly not because the format of the show is changing, but because they will be 'retired' after this upcoming SASUKE. They like SASUKE because they liked the show. They loved the show because of people involved in it. With the huge chunk of their reason gone, it won't feel the same. 6 competitors aren't a huge chunk. They are only a small fraction. Very true, even if they are the most iconic, 6 people out of a 100 person (Give or take a few) tournament which has happened 27 times isn't even a 10th... And that's if all 6 competed every time... Which isn't even the case
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Post by Philip on Oct 12, 2012 14:36:39 GMT -5
I do kinda feel bad about Yamada though... He loves Sasuke and devoted everything to it. What next?
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Post by Shuberb674 on Oct 12, 2012 14:43:05 GMT -5
F*ck this sh*t. No more all starrs is awful, but the anti-all stars will never get another chance. We were so close to a Mr.Octopus kanzensieha!
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Post by supernovamaniac on Oct 12, 2012 15:37:49 GMT -5
There has been much more to SASUKE than just the 6 all-stars. Some people who started following Sasuke after watching the 6 all-stars (good example is Arsenette) are disappointed mainly not because the format of the show is changing, but because they will be 'retired' after this upcoming SASUKE. They like SASUKE because they liked the show. They loved the show because of people involved in it. With the huge chunk of their reason gone, it won't feel the same. 6 competitors aren't a huge chunk. They are only a small fraction. 6 competitors could mean a lot to those people who started following after watching those 6 people compete, and followed them all year around.
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Post by Philip on Oct 12, 2012 15:50:53 GMT -5
F*ck this sh*t. No more all starrs is awful, All Starrs you say? All joking aside, There wasn't the group called the All Stars until Sasuke 14(?). If there was never a such thing as the All Stars, and all 6 of the competitors left the show after Sasuke 28, nobody would be nearly as upset.
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Post by detroitlolcat on Oct 13, 2012 19:31:40 GMT -5
All joking aside, There wasn't the group called the All Stars until Sasuke 14(?). If there was never a such thing as the All Stars, and all 6 of the competitors left the show after Sasuke 28, nobody would be nearly as upset. Right, but that assumes that they leave on their own accord. The All-Stars aren't "leaving", their being "forced out". I think more people are upset that the All-Stars that still do compete are being forced out of the sport that they popularized for being "part of a different era". If Nagano, Shingo, and Yamada retired, people wouldn't be upset. IMO the main cause of any uproar over this is that they're being kicked out.
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Post by dudesky1000 on Oct 13, 2012 23:14:32 GMT -5
All joking aside, There wasn't the group called the All Stars until Sasuke 14(?). If there was never a such thing as the All Stars, and all 6 of the competitors left the show after Sasuke 28, nobody would be nearly as upset. Right, but that assumes that they leave on their own accord. The All-Stars aren't "leaving", their being "forced out". I think more people are upset that the All-Stars that still do compete are being forced out of the sport that they popularized for being "part of a different era". If Nagano, Shingo, and Yamada retired, people wouldn't be upset. IMO the main cause of any uproar over this is that they're being kicked out. But the thing that nobody here seems to get is that those all-stars are finally getting what they've been wanting... some peace!!! They're tired of bearing the weight of the show on their shoulders! That's why there ARE some All-stars who ARE retired already. I bet they would be just as happy to just hang out with each other instead of compete. As for Yamada, he didn't kill himself when M9 went bankrupt or when the show was "cancelled", so I'm really not that worried for him. I think his attitude in 27 said a lot. The viewers who are in an uproar about this don't know what it's like to compete in a sport for year after year, season after season and have such high expectations follow them. They've been doing this for over 10 years. Some of them have been doing this for 15 years! Why do you think Andy Roddick decided to retire just after his 30th birthday? Surely not because he didn't believe he would win anymore matches or tournaments... Andre Agassi played until he was 36 and he nearly won the US Open when he was 35. He realized he was just DONE with it, and wanted to move on to bigger and better things! It's a hard concept to stomach, I know, but it's the truth and you all must accept it!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2012 12:23:11 GMT -5
Still digesting the fact that 28 is the last tournament for the All-Stars .
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Post by wrestlingfan55 on Nov 19, 2012 12:37:20 GMT -5
Same here. No more perfect attendance for Shingo after 28 I really hope they don't make silly mistakes.
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Post by dudesky1000 on Nov 19, 2012 12:54:31 GMT -5
Wow was my post really a month ago? I really did kill this thread LOL
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Post by RiderLeangle on Nov 19, 2012 13:12:24 GMT -5
Yes it was...
*Thinks for a second* AAAAH!!! Zombie thread!!!!
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Post by SRW on Nov 20, 2012 9:24:24 GMT -5
Idon't know why but I have a gut feeling Nagano will remain even if the all star moniker is gone.
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