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Post by arsenette on Oct 8, 2012 13:32:45 GMT -5
So, are you saying that the culture in Japan is to not argue with decisions made by authority figures (in this case, the broadcasting company)? You mean not "bite the hand that feeds you?" Yep pretty much. It's a friggin' TV show not their job nor are they being executed. They didn't have to do anything for the All-Stars at all.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Oct 8, 2012 13:34:18 GMT -5
So, are you saying that the culture in Japan is to not argue with decisions made by authority figures (in this case, the broadcasting company)? Welcome to every other culture in the world
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Post by Badalight on Oct 8, 2012 14:07:47 GMT -5
It's a passing of the torch. The all-stars are going out on top. TBS wants to honor them, and we should too. I don't think Nagano or Shingo will be upset at this decision. I'm worried about Yamada, but life will go on.
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Post by snowy on Oct 8, 2012 14:58:09 GMT -5
Every instinct I have is telling me none of this is personal: whether All Stars, New Stars, Trials Guys, Cliffers or anybody else.
Plain and simple, it's an attempt to separate Sasuke from the Higuchi era, and a decision was made to basically start from scratch. I guess we'll see how it all works out when Sasuke 28 airs.
Personally, I don't have a problem with the AllStars not coming back. YMMV.
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Post by thebobmaster on Oct 8, 2012 15:28:20 GMT -5
Every instinct I have is telling me none of this is personal: whether All Stars, New Stars, Trials Guys, Cliffers or anybody else. Plain and simple, it's an attempt to separate Sasuke from the Higuchi era, and a decision was made to basically start from scratch. I guess we'll see how it all works out when Sasuke 28 airs. Personally, I don't have a problem with the AllStars not coming back. YMMV. First off, I agree with you about it not being personal. Although putting it like that makes me think of the new director as Don Corleone. "It's not personal, it's business." Secondly...do you happen to visit TV Tropes, by any chance? I only ask, because that's the only other place I've seen "YMMV" used.
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Post by snowy on Oct 8, 2012 15:56:39 GMT -5
Every instinct I have is telling me none of this is personal: whether All Stars, New Stars, Trials Guys, Cliffers or anybody else. Plain and simple, it's an attempt to separate Sasuke from the Higuchi era, and a decision was made to basically start from scratch. I guess we'll see how it all works out when Sasuke 28 airs. Personally, I don't have a problem with the AllStars not coming back. YMMV. First off, I agree with you about it not being personal. Although putting it like that makes me think of the new director as Don Corleone. "It's not personal, it's business." Secondly...do you happen to visit TV Tropes, by any chance? I only ask, because that's the only other place I've seen "YMMV" used. Heee, I couldn't figure out of a good way to work the Michael Corleone quote in, but I thought of it too. Sorry, I've never heard of TV Tropes. I'm also wondering how much latitude Inui has in decision-making, and how much is dictated by TBS. TeeVee works in mysterious ways...
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Post by supernovamaniac on Oct 8, 2012 16:23:29 GMT -5
People will constantly promote "Not the end, New beginning"
But is it?
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Post by Philip on Oct 8, 2012 17:10:27 GMT -5
People will constantly promote "Not the end, New beginning" But is it? ?
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Post by arsenette on Oct 8, 2012 17:12:45 GMT -5
People will constantly promote "Not the end, New beginning" But is it? ? Could be considered not optimistic as to the fate of Sasuke 29+ when the All-Stars leave and the format changes.
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Post by Philip on Oct 8, 2012 17:19:12 GMT -5
I have a feeling ratings will drop from 27, but hey, you never know.
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Post by arsenette on Oct 8, 2012 17:20:47 GMT -5
I have a feeling ratings will drop from 27, but hey, you never know. Only time will tell and that's what the speculation thread is for Heck feel free to do a poll if you want. I'm curious people's feeling on this specific subject.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2012 17:46:53 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't see Sasuke surviving much longer, and not just because of the All-Stars leaving. On TV shows, when the studio makes drastic changes, like killing off (or otherwise eliminating) a main character, or having two main characters get married, the ratings often drop dramatically, and the show doesn't last much longer. It seems like Inui is wanting to make a lot of changes. He's going to retire the All-Stars, bring in a bunch of new obstacles, and change the format of the show to a global competition focused more on athletics than on "ordinary people doing extraordinary things." If he makes all of those changes and still tries to market the show as "Sasuke," I think the ratings will plummet. Current fans will watch one tournament and say "Well, it's OK, but it's not Sasuke because... (the All-Stars are gone, the format has changed, etc)."
I think that rather than market this as Sasuke, he should try doing a spin-off, like Sasuke was a spin-off of Banzuke. Maybe end Sasuke with Sasuke 28, and then create a new show, sort of a "Sasuke 2.0." Same basic format, a timed four-stage obstacle course, but with new obstacles, new competitors, and a focus on going global. He could still keep ties to the original Sasuke, though. Maybe use a couple of obstacles from Sasuke. Maybe at a "milestone" tournament, say number 5, invite a couple of All-stars and/or a couple of Shin Sedai to participate as "special guests." This would keep it tied to Sasuke, but it wouldn't be the same show. I think he'd have more success doing this than trying to change the show up but still call it "Sasuke."
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Post by arsenette on Oct 8, 2012 17:51:05 GMT -5
Funny you should say that. Especially since they already are thinking of renaming the show. The "tentative" name is Sasuke Rising but that implies they are still toying with changing the name to signify the change. I know they are nervous about what it might bring. This "change" has been in the works for almost a year now and there's a lot of variables and a lot of hands in the pot so to speak. Who knows what 28's experience will bring to 29 honestly. Though sadly I see them canceling than going backwards and getting the All-stars back. Right now I think their money is overseas.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Oct 8, 2012 17:51:35 GMT -5
As for your spinoff idea, that might be why they're starting to call it "Sasuke Rising"...
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Post by turboextremist on Oct 8, 2012 22:24:11 GMT -5
What they title it depends on how much they change it. If some of the old flavour remains, stick with Sasuke. If the changes are extreme, retitle it, but make some reference to the old show (like "from the network that brought you Sasuke").
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2012 17:44:21 GMT -5
I read your recent blog, Arsenette and I really liked it :-). Have you heard any news on ANW hosting Sasuke 28 tryouts anytime soon? Although I am not old enough you never know when they could lower the age limit :-P.
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Post by lpfreak1170 on Oct 9, 2012 18:04:30 GMT -5
Wow, I was really excited after seeing that there would be a 28 only to have that excitement brought back down to earth by this news. Sadly, it looks like 28 might be my last tournament since I really don't find myself getting attached to any of the young guys coming up (I don't dislike them, but I just don't get that excited about them).
Oh, well. I'll just wait to see what happens after 28.
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Post by dudesky1000 on Oct 9, 2012 18:41:43 GMT -5
Damn, none of you people would have ever watched the show more than once or twice in the Sasuke 1-4 era. What makes one person less interesting than another? Why should we care less about Kanno than Shiratori? Each man has their own story and a potential story going forward. Obviously there is more appeal toward the All-Stars because us americans are nostalgic for them, the characters we rooted for when we first discovered the show. That and they are each wonderful individuals. But why can't we let them retire with grace, why must we keep discussing the same thing over and over and over and over again? This topic is boring the bejeezus out of me. Who knows if this new format/the new changes will do good or bad for the show? Whose opinion here matters if we know next to nothing about Sasuke 28/29/onward? How can people already decide if they aren't going to watch or like the new Sasuke? Let's just see what happens and enjoy the show while it lasts, a few months ago I bet most of us would have given a whole lot to find out if there would be another season. Well, we got our good news. Lets be happy there's another competition.
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Post by arsenette on Oct 9, 2012 19:12:22 GMT -5
I read your recent blog, Arsenette and I really liked it :-). Have you heard any news on ANW hosting Sasuke 28 tryouts anytime soon? Although I am not old enough you never know when they could lower the age limit :-P. That is best left to the speculation thread and no I have not. Dudesky you do bring up a good point but you are missing the other point people are making. When G4 bought NW and showed it to us it already had the Sasuke All-stars built in and that's whom we have been watching for a long time (some of us just about 6 years). If you compare that to Japan which is 15 that explains the ratings a lot. A lot of the earlier generation (the originals) watch 1-8 because of Kane Kosugi. When he left.. so did the ratings. Then TBS shook it up and we got the All-stars. That's 9-27. Now we get another version coming up. My fear with this is that we won't get the opportunity to find more people to get attached to because if the new format holds true.. it's going to be a revolving door of competitors all coming in and out of the tournament depending if they survived trials. Gone with the All-stars seems to be the automatic entries and therefore any semblance of familiarity we may get. Seriously.. when you watched ANW1-4.. do you know everyone? Not really. if you weren't a hardcore fan .. you wouldn't know who half of these people are unless you followed them from tournament to tournament to tournament. When G4 bought NW it gave us a group to already focus on. Now we will have to start from scratch. Especially when the world groups start coming in (which I expect will be Sasuke 29+). It's those of us lamenting the attachment that we had due to how NW was packaged when we got it.
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Post by dudesky1000 on Oct 9, 2012 19:49:11 GMT -5
And I am with you there. It'll be strange with no guaranteed entries. If this is truly the way the show is headed, then where will the comedians be? The no-chances who us fans hopelessly root for and have endless amusement for when one clears an obstacle or two? Surely there must be a wildcard system like ANW Vegas for celebrities, they need SOMETHING to promote that will resonate with the masses.
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