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Post by arsenette on Oct 5, 2012 0:43:37 GMT -5
Decided to ask the director about the state of the All-stars. Specifically if we will see all 6 compete again (even if it's for the last time) and we talked back and forth about it. I was a little surprised but not shocked to read this: I am going to make this convention their graduation ceremony. All stars are dismissals now.
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Post by thebobmaster on Oct 5, 2012 1:38:37 GMT -5
Wait...does that mean that this is the last tournament with every single All-Star, or the last tournament for any of them? If the latter...I'm not sure how much longer Sasuke has.
Edit: After re-reading, he seems to be saying that the All-Stars are going to be finished before the 28th tournament, and not competing in it. Is that accurate?
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Post by arsenette on Oct 5, 2012 1:44:30 GMT -5
Wait...does that mean that this is the last tournament with every single All-Star, or the last tournament for any of them? If the latter...I'm not sure how much longer Sasuke has. This has been the prevailing rumor for about a year now. I wasn't sure which was going to come first.. the death of Sasuke or the death of the All-stars. Seems the All-stars are first. They plan to revamp the show to inject new blood into it. You see it in the organization of the spin offs. USA, Singapore and Malaysia have already started down the path. With the expansion further into Asia (5 more countries iirc) and the European Ninja Warrior competition.. the future is in that. I'm sure Sasuke will continue just fine. Just like Sasuke continued without Kane Kosugi. The All-stars saved the show from destruction when Kane left. We'll see how this era pans out. Even as it was.. only 2 competed consistently (Nagano and Shingo) with the occasional Yamada coming out of retirement. Akiyama hit or miss on invites. Takeda officially retiring and Bunpei unofficially retired due to multiple injuries. If they plan to take Sasuke into a different future this era had to end. That said.. I'm depressed. I am however very happy they will do something for them officially rather than seeing them slowly disappear. I'd rather say goodbye than to see that. I.. just wish I could have seen it in person. So forgive me as I go cry in a corner.
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Post by thebobmaster on Oct 5, 2012 1:50:04 GMT -5
Thanks for the clarification. And really, the ones I'm concerned about are Shingo and Nagano. The rest have either not consistently appeared (Yamada, Akiyama), or have been out for several tournaments (Takeda, Shiratori). But Shingo's been there every tournament, and Nagano's pretty much the face of Sasuke. Without them...
Still, look on the bright side. Maybe now Yuuji will finally get some coverage!
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Post by shiratori19 on Oct 5, 2012 2:53:11 GMT -5
All-star story end...so many great memories thank you !! ='((
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2012 7:40:17 GMT -5
So, does this mean that if Shingo or Nagano or Yamada asked to compete in Sasuke 29 they would be told that they couldn't? I think that would hurt ratings. Nagano is probably the most recognized Sasuke competitor, with Yamada a close second. I know I won't watch if the All-Stars are gone. They're the main reason that I watch Sasuke!
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Post by RiderLeangle on Oct 5, 2012 8:24:53 GMT -5
Now does this mean they're retiring officially? Because it could just be the All Stars title being retired, like they could still compete they just wouldn't be called All-Stars, like for example Nagano's gimmick is he was the second to win and Shingo for perfect attendance but not being linked by the All Stars title
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Post by dudesky1000 on Oct 5, 2012 9:08:13 GMT -5
This must be crushing for Yamada. If he ever needed motivation to clear the first stage, this being his real last chance might be what he needs. Either that or he'll be extremely nervous and we'll have an extremely tragic ending to his story, which, there should be a book or movie about because it is so tragic.
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Post by Philip on Oct 5, 2012 12:03:21 GMT -5
2 questions: Will they still be allowed to compete and will the Shin Sedai become the All Stars?
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Post by arsenette on Oct 5, 2012 12:15:15 GMT -5
2 questions: Will they still be allowed to compete and will the Shin Sedai become the All Stars? I can answer that. No No They are retiring the concept of the All-stars. Plain and simple. I'm depressed but saw this coming a mile away. They are reforming the show around the trials from country concept. They don't fit in that new structure. They want to turn it into a sports show remember? It's not the entertainment show we know to exist. This will be the last of the Sasuke All-Star era. That includes the last of the All-stars. The only person I think will be the most impacted is Yamada honestly. Nagano and Shingo are probably relieved if not a bit melancholy over the news but still relieved. The rest moved on already. Heck.. Takeda retired before this announcement, Bunpei hasn't been seen in years and Akiyama goes every other tourney it seems which is now years apart. So no, they won't be asked back. I'm just happy they have one last hurrah before the format changes. I didn't think TBS would take the time to do that. I guess Inui coming back was a good thing since he knew them from the beginning and was part of the group that came up with the concept in the first place. Still.. it's sad and a part of me won't recover. I've spent the last 12 hours just reliving the memories and realizing that even if they stayed.. I can't have that back. Keeping them on in the skeleton form is not helping the show continue into the future. It's time to let them go while we still care deeply for them. That said, I might retire RR at the same time. I don't see the point of an All-star blog without them.
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Post by thebobmaster on Oct 5, 2012 12:45:41 GMT -5
What about the Shin Sedai? I know they won't have that name (can't have the New Stars without the Old Stars), but are they going to be allowed to compete?
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Post by RobbyMac on Oct 5, 2012 12:58:12 GMT -5
Just because they want to kill the term allstars doesn't mean they shouldn't invite Shingo or Nagano. Shingo's done every tourney. Nagano is a champion and coming off a respectable 3rd stage appearance, and all the new Sasuke hopefuls probably would love to meet him if they haven't had a chance too yet. I hope if not invited, both Nagano and Shingo still go through tryouts if they still wish to compete and not retire because of this.
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Post by wrestlingfan55 on Oct 5, 2012 12:59:05 GMT -5
This is just sad. Forget about "one last hurrah" or whatever, Sasuke is just not the same without the All-Stars. They can promote the hell out of the others but it's just...not the same.
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Post by arsenette on Oct 5, 2012 13:02:12 GMT -5
I think they are obliterating the entire concept and starting over. Please remember why those phrases were created. Why All-stars came to be and what they represented. That includes the old and new stars. That concept of both of them going against each other never really panned out for TBS anyway. Not in the ratings and not even in the shows themselves since there wasn't a rivalry to begin with. The show is changing and we are going into a new era and they have to focus on something different. I don't see them all phased out at once (especially those with consistent results) but they will no longer be the focus of the show. It will be country vs. country, etc. etc. most likely starting from Sasuke 29+.
The rumored format would be more of who is invited rather than the course itself. Everyone on the start-line would have had to earn their spot I can only assume and even by Inui's posts.. he has a point. The All-stars don't fit that criteria. Inui also states that nothing stops them from sitting in the stands but they are done competing and being the main focus of the show. As for new stars.. Yuuji won again so he's the new face of Sasuke and earned his spot through his consistent finishes. I would think with the retirement of the All-Stars we'll see the end of a lot of the favorites we love but don't have a good record (possibly people like Kenji Takahashi). I've seen that happen in other shows where they leave with them taking the hint of the "new direction". Even in television land when old bond retires so does Moneypenny. New Dr. Who, sidekick leaves with the old Dr. Who. I suspect the old guard is going to go. IMO obviously on that respect but I'm of the belief that if they eliminate the "joke" factor of Sasuke (especially like Hanglider, Octopus and Creepy Sculptor dude) we'll no longer see the rest of the joke competitors taking the focus of the show. They might be eliminated altogether and go strictly on who qualified (like the Olympics). We don't know that for sure but the implication of the official retirement of the All-Stars marks the end of the era as a whole.
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Post by arsenette on Oct 5, 2012 13:08:19 GMT -5
Just because they want to kill the term allstars doesn't mean they shouldn't invite Shingo or Nagano. Shingo's done every tourney. Nagano is a champion and coming off a respectable 3rd stage appearance, and all the new Sasuke hopefuls probably would love to meet him if they haven't had a chance too yet. I hope if not invited, both Nagano and Shingo still go through tryouts if they still wish to compete and not retire because of this. No. They won't be competing. Period. Inui has gone on record (Feel free to read the rest of his posts. Just check his personal twitter) that they are being retired. The most we will see them is in the stands. My own opinion on this from knowing their personalities. I don't see Nagano showing up to try to compete if he's not invited to do so. He was never interested in qualifying. That wasn't his purpose. He knows where he fit in Sasuke. He was very blunt with it. So if TBS is going through the spectacle of retiring them he won't go against that notion. The whole reason why he showed up even recently was to be with his friends. That part is being phased out to make way for a new concept. Shingo understands this quite well. I would suspect in Shingo's case he will mourn but move on. The one I have concern for is Yamada. He doesn't know when it's time to leave the party. So.. to be told he's retired and not coming back will be the most difficult for him. I would expect to see him in the stands for 29 but TBS won't put him back in the lineup. They served almost a decade in a particular role and that role is now being eliminated. At least they are taking time to let them say goodbye. I honestly did not believe TBS would bother doing that. Will it be the same? Hell no. But it's clear they will not be back in competition fashion. What they do in their personal lives after that is up for debate but TBS will not invite them to compete if they retired them publicly. It's just that simple.
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Post by dudesky1000 on Oct 5, 2012 13:16:53 GMT -5
I wonder what this means for Li En Zhi. Perhaps there will be a qualifying in Taiwan that has not yet been announced? He has also had great appeal for the show.
Also, Okuyama. I guess we'll see if he takes SASUKE as seriously as he says, as his personal olympics, if he continues.
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Post by arsenette on Oct 5, 2012 13:23:00 GMT -5
I wonder what this means for Li En Zhi. Perhaps there will be a qualifying in Taiwan that has not yet been announced? He has also had great appeal for the show. Also, Okuyama. I guess we'll see if he takes SASUKE as seriously as he says, as his personal olympics, if he continues. That's my point. The implications are wiping the slate clean. However, in both the cases you mentioned, their results speak for themselves. They are incredibly consistent. Even with some recent flukes you can still count on stage 3 appearances from both. Still.. in Okuyama's position.. he might go on his own if he doesn't get from Sasuke what he wants. Each has their own personal reason to be there. They were there for the course and not friends. The All-stars (Nagano/Takeda in particular and Shingo to some extent) weren't. And Lee has been there because of TBS. Taiwan's Gold Sun haven't sent anyone in a couple years now.
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Post by RedHerring on Oct 5, 2012 13:32:13 GMT -5
So wait... 28 is just their official send off, or do they also get one last run in it? If so, imagine the pressure.
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Post by arsenette on Oct 5, 2012 13:38:15 GMT -5
So wait... 28 is just their official send off, or do they also get one last run in it? If so, imagine the pressure. Unsure honestly. If they are making Yuuji requalify then it might just be a send off? Especially if they get Takeda (who didn't want to get injured) and Bunpei (who still is). Hmm. I didn't think about that.
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Post by YoDaUO on Oct 5, 2012 14:29:51 GMT -5
That stinks. They should all come back and be 95-100 or something special for their last tournament I guess. I really don't see a point of this. They should still be allowed to compete but be "retired all stars" or something like that.
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