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Post by sentinel on Jul 18, 2012 15:25:55 GMT -5
BUT ARSENETTE. WE NEED EVERYONE ELSE TO EXPLAIN TO US HOW THE AVERAGE VIEWER SEES THINGS/WANTS THINGS/WHATEVER! Great post bro.
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Post by FallRisk911 on Jul 18, 2012 17:59:04 GMT -5
Iseman and Moseley are no different than the usual bland and inoffensive American national broadcast network sports announcers. The American equivalent of the SASUKE announcers would be the yahoo homer local radio sports announcers that can yell and scream, and rant and rave with the best of them. Cut and paste from my FB ANW page post: Reaching deep back into my childhood, I have found the answer to all of our lame, quaalude and valium-popping hosts woes: the greatest 2-man force in commentating history... featuring a special guest appearance by a young James McGrath at 2:59 !!
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Post by blah123 on Jul 19, 2012 14:57:45 GMT -5
BUT ARSENETTE. WE NEED EVERYONE ELSE TO EXPLAIN TO US HOW THE AVERAGE VIEWER SEES THINGS/WANTS THINGS/WHATEVER! True. As hard as it is for us, we need to put ourselves in the shoes of the average viewers, which we certainly are not. I have a coworker who is an average viewer. She is basically a 40-something year old house wife who is new to ANW this year because she isn't either of the people that watch G4. She has "favorites" on the show--Tim Shief, the "Masked Man" (Flip), the "guy who's girlfriend died" (Paul Kasemir), the "diabetes guy" (I don't even know his name - I also call him diabetes guy lol), etc. My point is that I predict that average viewers that are new to ANW4 will become slightly attached to some of the competitors, which will make them invested into ANW5, which will ultimately over time lead to less back stories needed. Perhaps G4/NBC are showing more back stories now, and plan on showing less throughout later seasons when average viewers become familiarized to some competitors.
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Post by Shuberb674 on Jul 19, 2012 15:05:45 GMT -5
BUT ARSENETTE. WE NEED EVERYONE ELSE TO EXPLAIN TO US HOW THE AVERAGE VIEWER SEES THINGS/WANTS THINGS/WHATEVER! My dad sees it, he's a casual viewer and complains about the repetition. They should only spend 1 hour on stage 1, casual viewers don't have the attention span to watch 3+ hours of endless profiles and stage 1 runs.
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Post by FallRisk911 on Jul 19, 2012 17:17:14 GMT -5
I really don't see how they could do this. You have to keep in mind the average viewer, not the average SasukeManiac poster. The whole thing about the back stories is to make the competitors people, rather than just anonymous "entities" running the course. So if you take out the back stories in the primary broadcast and put them all in the Navi, the average viewer will never see the back stories, and thus the competitors will be completely generic. The average viewer will thus not be invested in whether the competitor fails or succeeds, because the average viewer either won't be aware of the Navi, won't have G4 to watch the Navi, or is so casual that they will have a hard time remembering who is who because the back story clips aren't immediately followed by that person running the course. Sure, it'd be a better viewing experience for us because we're already so familiar with so many of the people, but the average/casual viewer would have a hard time keeping track and remembering who is who if there is a separation between the back story and the running of the course itself. *edit - and personally, I think it would be kind of boring to just see person after person after person running the course. It would be so repetitive, especially with how repetitive the commentary is. I think you hit the nail on the head. While we tend to have a fanatical appreciation for the history of the shows, know the competitors and obstacles, both of which color our impression of what we're watching, most people do not. Show strictly runs, and the show is on a fast track to Sunday afternoons on ESPN 3, after X-games re-runs. I ran into this same thing when The Ultimate Fighter first started airing. Up until then, it had been "Random guy A fighting Random guy B," and while people like me who were involved in martial arts/wrestling/etc their whole lives enjoyed it, it remained obscure until there was this way for average people to "know" the competitors, and be emotionally invested in their "character." Guys like Forrest Griffin and Josh Koscheck weren't doing anything new when they stepped into the cage, but it helped people relate to them and have someone to cheer for (I like Nate Quarry's attitude, I hope he wins; Koscheck's a dick, I hope he gets his tight-jeans-wearing a** kicked). I think the problem we've all expressed is HOW they've gone about it on ANW this year. They milked the s*** out of us during our applications and interviews for anything tragic, and then over-used those things in the broadcast. You don't need to bust out the minor scale violin and piano music for every competitor. And you CERTAINLY shouldn't waste time with it if that person is going out on the first goddamn obstacle. It insults both the viewer AND the competitor.
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Post by TCM on Jul 19, 2012 17:39:24 GMT -5
BUT ARSENETTE. WE NEED EVERYONE ELSE TO EXPLAIN TO US HOW THE AVERAGE VIEWER SEES THINGS/WANTS THINGS/WHATEVER! My dad sees it, he's a casual viewer and complains about the repetition. They should only spend 1 hour on stage 1, casual viewers don't have the attention span to watch 3+ hours of endless profiles and stage 1 runs.I agree 3 hours was too much, but rushing through it can be just as damaging as overkill. If ANW showed Vegas a la Sasuke in Japan (in one large broadcast) then yes, a single hour or hour and a half for Stage 1 probably would suffice (assuming you have a 3-4 hour broadcast). I think an episode and a half would have worked (two hours would be pushing it) personally. The biggest factor in that however is overall results. A taping with deep Stage runs/Final Stage run/Total Victory will obviously shorten the earlier stages (Stages 1-2) to make room for the latter stages (Stages 3-4). But if a Sasuke 19 situation or very few make it to Stage 3 and it ends on that stage with little fanfare, then yeah, I can see the broadcast being stretched out as far as possible to either make the competitors look good (look how deadly this stage is, only x amount were able to clear, they must be the top tier) or make the course look deadly (same scenario: look how deadly this stage is, only x amount were able to clear).
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Post by Oti on Jul 19, 2012 18:19:02 GMT -5
Exactly. The logic that we don't know what the average viewer wants just because we're fans is pretttty bad.
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Post by blah123 on Jul 23, 2012 11:08:17 GMT -5
What if G4/NBC formulated a concept of "All Stars"? This seemed to work really well for TBS after the departure of the Kosugi brothers. The purpose of this would be to give fans a small set of skilled veteran competitors to become permanently attached to across seasons, rather than having to keep track of hundreds of no-name hopefuls. G4/NBC could then focus a Navi on them, while giving small profiles to other competitors during actual episodes, or something like that.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jul 23, 2012 11:57:59 GMT -5
Thing is they already hype the ANW japan veterans like that anyways, and still give too many profiles to the no name guys... I'm not sure a title like that is really going to change things
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Post by UnrealCanine on Jul 23, 2012 12:20:41 GMT -5
Also, there's currently no G4 American who has even been to Stage 3 more than twice. Hardly All-Star material
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Post by sentinel on Jul 23, 2012 22:26:02 GMT -5
Exactly. The logic that we don't know what the average viewer wants just because we're fans is pretttty bad. uh, either you actually don't know, or you just ignore it and make prettttty dumb posts all the time.
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Post by thebobmaster on Jul 24, 2012 1:12:43 GMT -5
Also, there's currently no G4 American who has even been to Stage 3 more than twice. Hardly All-Star material Brian Orosco has, as has Paul Kasemir. Counting Shin-Sasuke, Levi Meeuwenburg has as well. (that is how you spell his name, right?)
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jul 24, 2012 1:17:29 GMT -5
Also, there's currently no G4 American who has even been to Stage 3 more than twice. Hardly All-Star material Brian Orosco has, as has Paul Kasemir. Counting Shin-Sasuke, Levi Meeuwenburg has as well. (that is how you spell his name, right?) More than twice, they've only been twice, Levi in 20 and 23, Brian in 25 and 26, Paul in 26 and 27, David in 26 and 27, Brent in 26 and ANW4, no g4 american has been to stage 3 for 3+ times.
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Post by thebobmaster on Jul 24, 2012 1:20:36 GMT -5
Brian Orosco has, as has Paul Kasemir. Counting Shin-Sasuke, Levi Meeuwenburg has as well. (that is how you spell his name, right?) More than twice, they've only been twice, Levi in 20 and 23, Brian in 25 and 26, Paul in 26 and 27, David in 26 and 27, Brent in 26 and ANW4, no g4 american has been to stage 3 for 3+ times. Whoops. I are good at reading comprehension.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jul 24, 2012 1:25:10 GMT -5
More than twice, they've only been twice, Levi in 20 and 23, Brian in 25 and 26, Paul in 26 and 27, David in 26 and 27, Brent in 26 and ANW4, no g4 american has been to stage 3 for 3+ times. Whoops. I are good at reading comprehension. Aren't you glad you have a ninja to catch this stuff for you
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Post by thomeboy on Jul 25, 2012 1:03:42 GMT -5
As a more casual viewer I'd say adding a navi or whatever would be a terrible idea. First it would have to go on G4 because NBC would never air an hour long documentary series that profiles competitors from a mostly unknown show. Sure this would work if ANW's ratings were 3-4x what they are now because than they would want to juice it for everything it is but unfortunately ANW is not that popular and only super fans would care to even watch it. Without there being any back stories in the actual broadcast of the runs, the show would be even more repetitive than it is right now.
One other thing that bothered me in this thread is all the hate for the hosts. Matt Iseman has been hosting ANW since the beginning on G4 and I can tell that he genuinely cares about the show and he seems to be himself a super fan of sasuke. Sure the japanese broadcasters might have tons of experience and be very famous over in Japan but personally I can't speak or understand japanese and they kind of sound like super excited children. I would be pretty upset if I found out next year Matt Iseman was replaced by some "professional" ESPN sports anchor.
"gee we need more female representation lets throw out iseman and bring in Erin Andrews". No Thanks.
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Post by arsenette on Jul 25, 2012 1:30:37 GMT -5
I'd be curious if for the preshow they can set it up like Navi in the way that it was intermixed with behind the scenes footage (obstacle course building, etc.) as opposed to a train of competitor profiles. Even Navi isn't like that. I think if it was shortened to half hour before each 1 hour stage whatever run it would be a interesting test for G4. You are correct, I wouldn't dream of bringing this to NBC. As for hosts that's always going to be conjecture and the thought of bringing in the Japanese shouldn't even be part of the equation. Each spin off (ANW, SM, SS, etc.) has their own set of hosts as it should be. Maybe not bringing back Jonny would be a step up. Matt is committed and should stay even if some don't like that particular style of commentating. I still think adding another set of commentators IN ADDITION to Matt would help. That's a lot of runs of people to sit through and can be tiring for anyone. Even in Sasuke they take turns in tandem with the commentary duties.
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