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Post by RiderLeangle on Jan 19, 2012 0:02:41 GMT -5
Well I'm sure she has casual fans who come to her blog, I mean it's probably easy enough to find as a source for Ninja Warrior info, correct?
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Post by arsenette on Jan 19, 2012 0:10:24 GMT -5
Well I'm sure she has casual fans who come to her blog, I mean it's probably easy enough to find as a source for Ninja Warrior info, correct? That is correct. A simple Google search for Sasuke 27 airdate takes them to my page. Most of the ones I heard from today I haven't ever heard from before... not all but some. People are always under the delusion I know everything so they go to me first to see wtf is up since G4 does nothing to keep their websites updated.. much less their local broadcasters in their respective countries. Hell one of them told me today they didn't even know they were up to 27..
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Post by arsenette on Jan 19, 2012 0:14:42 GMT -5
Arsenette, all I argued was that the average fan most likely wouldn't be spoiled by it. If a fan even knows about your blog I wouldn't classify them as "average". I'm talking of the people who only watch it on G4, or the usual people you'd see on the FB page. I never said that "no one" would be spoiled by it; the most I said was your original post in my opinion was a slight exaggeration. Sorry I didn't see yours I just saw Riders below it (went from the bottom up). I don't believe it to be an exaggeration. This morning I got several dozen emails all piss angry that G4 effed them over when they waited patiently.. i don't call that an exaggeration. You and I have seen it so we don't fall under this category. So if someone who has been a fan and waiting for the G4 version and saw this and was angry that they spoiled them... so why are we arguing this? Bada it's obvious you never agree with me anyway on anything I write even when given evidence to the contrary. So at this point I'll leave it as that.
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Post by VenusHeadTrap on Jan 19, 2012 0:15:09 GMT -5
It won't be hard at all for the average viewer to get spoiled by what these glaringly obvious clips reveal. Considering I could recognize where Yuuji was standing (cummon, celebrating on a red platform with smoke with the bar glider in background?) pretty effortlessly (that is without even pausing the video) if you're no Sasuke expert there is definitely a chance of suffering spoilers. The irony: These tv spots have potential to be really cool, besides the clumsy choice of footage, the music and filters are a good way of advertising. If they actually tried to cover up what happens, then it wouldn't suck so bad. I mean TBS still was all "someone wins" and G4's is like "Yuuji wins, see ya" This.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jan 19, 2012 1:09:49 GMT -5
Hell, besides the fact they spoiled Yuuji clearing stage 3 and winning (Since let's face it, they said someone wins and they showed him on the tower... He may have just been climbing the rope but to the casual viewer when no one has even made it past the UCH, when they see someone clearing stage 3 and someone on the tower... it's obvious to put the pieces together) as much as the fact they used two shots of yuuji so there's no doubt...
What they should have done was show him clearing the Bar Glider from the same side view they used in 27, Like enough you can see someone is clearing it but not enough you can see who it is
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Post by TCM on Jan 19, 2012 2:53:23 GMT -5
For sh*ts and giggles, I decided to decipher the video as much as I can.
SASUKE 27 shots Yuuji: Jumping Spider clear(?), 2 3rd Stage clear celebration shots (one at tail end of video), Final Stage climb (during this shot G4 placed "A Champion Will Be Crowned") Ryo: 1st stage celebration shot (quick, at tail end of the video), Ryo on 3rd Stage steps, Ryo attempting Arm Bike Kouji: 2nd Stage clear, 1st stage clear celebration (tail end of video; last scene of video) Asa: Warped Wall clear Okuyama: Flying Bar fail Shingo: Spin Bridge fail Kanno: Rolling Escargot attempt (clearly 27 version) 2 Giant Swing fails (clearly 27 version) Yamada @ start platform Daisuke Naito @ start platform A 1st clear by Setoda Hidetsugu(?) (I saw #70 on tag) Metal Spin fail (process of elimination, honeycomb 2nd stage design was shown; no one failed in 25 and Kouji was only 26 MS fail)
Scenes I'm not sure/Not spoilers/Other tournaments Kong clear + celebration from 24 2 daytime crowd shots, one nighttime (couple if not all might be from 27, shows nothing too significant though) DSL fail (I say Iketani in 26 but there's that other fail in the same way from 27 by the one guy)
19 shots compared to 5, and only 1 I personally can for sure confirm it wasn't from 27. Even if some of those shots from 27 won't be noticed by the 'average' NW watcher, the fact still remains they showed the TOP 3 GUYS IN THE TOURNAMENT being successful at various rates (hell, the 3 even had the last three shots in the commercial) and even going so far as to tell you someone's winning during the scene in which the guy who will win is on his Final Stage run two months before they even air the damn episode.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jan 19, 2012 4:08:30 GMT -5
Rolling Escargot attempt (clearly 27 version) It's Kanno, I didn't have to pause the video to identify that weird technique. But since I'm sure you guys want proof Also I have to post this...
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Post by japantv1210 on Jan 19, 2012 15:59:28 GMT -5
I really doubt the average viewer is gonna be able to make out the spoilers in that clip. I mean I couldn't even make out the spoilers. The only one that stuck out to me was Shingo's. And I couldn't even tell that was Yuuji climbing the rope on first glance in all honesty. I see nothing wrong with this trailer.
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Post by arsenette on Jan 19, 2012 16:02:37 GMT -5
My question still remains.. what is an "average" viewer? Fact: G4's ANW broadcasts (which are the highest of their station) still peaked at the MOST 300+/-k viewers.. given that it's broadcast in over 100 mil homes.. only niche people are going to be watching for this. So those niche people who have forgone months of all spoilers, ignoring postboards and even ignoring the official broadcast in favor of the G4 one suddenly saw this and lost their minds.. who are we to say that they weren't spoiled when clearly they were? Those who are saying "they won't be spoiled" already saw the damn tournament.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jan 19, 2012 16:06:25 GMT -5
Well yeah they didn't exactly show it was yuuji on the rope, they showed someone on the rope, dressed the same way yuuji was as they showed him clearing stage 3, in front of the bar glider (And I'm sure there are still a fair number of casual viewers who can tell he didn't attempt the pipe slider, at least a fair number who saw it during ANW3
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Post by Badalight on Jan 19, 2012 16:42:24 GMT -5
Arsenette, all I argued was that the average fan most likely wouldn't be spoiled by it. If a fan even knows about your blog I wouldn't classify them as "average". I'm talking of the people who only watch it on G4, or the usual people you'd see on the FB page. I never said that "no one" would be spoiled by it; the most I said was your original post in my opinion was a slight exaggeration. Sorry I didn't see yours I just saw Riders below it (went from the bottom up). I don't believe it to be an exaggeration. This morning I got several dozen emails all piss angry that G4 effed them over when they waited patiently.. i don't call that an exaggeration. You and I have seen it so we don't fall under this category. So if someone who has been a fan and waiting for the G4 version and saw this and was angry that they spoiled them... so why are we arguing this? Bada it's obvious you never agree with me anyway on anything I write even when given evidence to the contrary. So at this point I'll leave it as that. You're turning a simple disagreement into a personal attack. Also your memory seems to be failing you because I have agreed with you more often than not, you just seem to remember the few times where we have been on opposite sides of an issue. I don't disagree with anything you said, I simply said it was "in my opinion" an exaggeration. I forgot that opinions don't matter here though. I never said what they did was right, or that no one got spoiled; what I said was that I don't think it really affected much in the grand scheme of things. For example, I have dozens of friends who only watch the g4 version. Not a single one of them complained about being spoiled. Even after asking a few about it they didn't even realize there were new clips in the commercial. I know your first instinct is going to be that I have dumb friends, but some people simply don't over-analyze things like we do. You're forgetting not everyone uses the internet, not everyone posts on forums, not everyone even knows who half the competitors are. Hell a lot of people STILL don't know who Yuuji even is. All you're doing at this point is picking apart my choice of words. It's my opinion and I am allowed to have it. I didn't spit in your face and tell you that your opinion was wrong like you're doing to mine. The only time I even commented on it was that I said it seemed like an exaggeration.
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Post by arsenette on Jan 19, 2012 16:45:03 GMT -5
No.. I was going with the exasperated emails that up until now were contradicting what you were saying is all. Only now did you mention other people that haven't seen it not being affected... only took 2 pages to get there. Either way it's a moot point at this point. We still have 2 months until they air this as it is. Why people wait that long to see it is beyond me..
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Post by Badalight on Jan 19, 2012 16:48:36 GMT -5
Because not everyone is like you and lives and breathes Sasuke. People actually watch it passively. Shocking I know. A lot of the people I mentioned don't even know who Yuuji is, so there's no way they'd know it was him climbing the rope. Also they might even mistake that for an old clip, how can an uneducated viewer know that it's the new final stage when they've all had ropes?
Not everyone uses message boards, not everyone "likes" it on facebook, not everyone visits the G4 website, and not everyone watches G4 on a regular basis.
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Post by arsenette on Jan 19, 2012 16:50:26 GMT -5
Because not everyone is like you and lives and breathes Sasuke. People actually watch it passively. Shocking I know. A lot of the people I mentioned don't even know who Yuuji is, so there's no way they'd know it was him climbing the rope. Also they might even mistake that for an old clip, how can an uneducated viewer know that it's the new final stage when they've all had ropes? Not everyone uses message boards, not everyone "likes" it on facebook, not everyone visits the G4 website, and not everyone watches G4 on a regular basis. .. Bada.. did you forget that I told you that neither do the people who emailed me yesterday? Why are we arguing...
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jan 19, 2012 17:13:50 GMT -5
Bada, just because they're casual watchers doesn't make them idiots... That's the thing with casual watchers... they're WATCHERS...
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Post by lhii789 on Jan 19, 2012 17:43:50 GMT -5
LMFAO Rider.. yep that's it I only knew there was a video up when I got my email open.. most of the international kids that have to wait for this show have been asking me for months when this sucker was going on the air in the USA because they have to wait until THAT happens before they see it.. IF they see it. ( remember.. most countries don't even buy the ANW-linked tourneys of which this is one of them). They did what they could to avoid spoilers and then they found this and lost their marbles. Again I had to tell them this is par for the course but right now they are seeing red. .. I tried to warn them.. By the way, if any one wants to read detail explanation (bold) of what she's talking about, I posted this after SASUKE 27 aired: sasukemaniac.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=s27&action=display&thread=3913Also if you want to know the evidence of why most countries don't buy ANW-linked tournaments check this: sasukemaniac.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=s25&thread=2989&page=1One of the members, awee1975, posted pretty "interesting" facts about how SASUKE are broadcasted there . Also on same post, intelligentinfer, mentioned that Malaysia air G4 broadcast. (No surprise there considering rest of the 150 whatever part of the world buy that : . That mean season 1 of SASUKE Malaysia (both Trial and SASUKE part WITHOUT 9 Americans who did well on SASUKE) won't air after G4 broadcast in March.... in U.S.A. That mean it is possible that SASUKE Malaysia won't air season 1 until April ~ July... a whole YEAR after the trial (facepalm)... I posted that concern and prediction here: sasukemaniac.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=s27&action=display&thread=3615&page=23Thanks a lot G4... again for screwing up international broadcast.
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Post by whothehellami on Jan 19, 2012 17:43:50 GMT -5
how do we know they're not giving a different cut to all the other countries?
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Post by arsenette on Jan 19, 2012 17:47:25 GMT -5
how do we know they're not giving a different cut to all the other countries? Nah that's confirmed to be the exact broadcast. Even on the TBS website for international sales it's the G4 edited one. Also from the reports of the international SMF'ers and the dozens of international youtube clips of their broadcast it's the exact one. Even Arty from Italy mentioned her station in Italy skipped over the tourneys that had omitted results (so that's 23, 26 and now 27).
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Post by Badalight on Jan 19, 2012 17:56:56 GMT -5
Bada, just because they're casual watchers doesn't make them idiots... That's the thing with casual watchers... they're WATCHERS... Read my posts before you respond with something like this. I've already mentioned dozens of people who were not spoiled by the commercials. I know it's hard for you to wrap your brain around, but there are hundreds of people whom watch Ninja Warrior that don't even recognize repeating competitors. Even if they do, they don't remember all of them. Go to facebook and see how many people STILL don't know who Yuuji is. You think they don't exist? They are a huge group; believe it or not. "Bada.. did you forget that I told you that neither do the people who emailed me yesterday? Why are we arguing..." I didn't say those types of people don't exist. I simply said in my opinion your initial post was over the top, and that not everyone is like that. It's stating the obvious. I don't know why we are arguing either because I am not disagreeing with you, simply stating my own slightly different opinion.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jan 19, 2012 19:35:19 GMT -5
how do we know they're not giving a different cut to all the other countries? They never have... Countries skipped 23 and 26 because they weren't complete broadcasts, and ANW isn't internationally distributed (I forget if it's G4 isn't selling it or other countries not wanting a broadcast just for americans they don't know)
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