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Post by thatoneuser on Nov 1, 2011 18:07:55 GMT -5
It's possible:
Now can we please be ok with people wanting a Rolling Escargot with drops?
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Post by The Chief on Nov 1, 2011 18:10:04 GMT -5
You forgot the 150 lb man. You add that in, and you have a unequal weight distribution. Yes, without that, it's fine. But you have someone pulling it.
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Post by thatoneuser on Nov 1, 2011 18:51:02 GMT -5
Hence why the outside is larger than the drop - it CAN'T physically come off. It's designed so that it can't.
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Post by TCM on Nov 1, 2011 19:05:48 GMT -5
No one thought the RE could come off period and we were proven wrong via witness accounts. It's one thing for someone to sustain their positioning while wrapping their arms and legs around a log horizontally and vertically. You're claiming the same will happen when someone is held completely flat against one side of a structure with thin blocks to hold onto with their hands and footholds that only the toe of a shoe will fit. Not to mention each time it would drop, they'll be close to if not completely parallel with the water, further hindering their chances. And if the track was to be long enough to have them be right-side up each time, either the obstacle kills too much time resulting in a sky-high time limit or a very nerfed Stage 1. Of course it can be built; it just wouldn't operate well in practice.
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Post by UnrealCanine on Nov 1, 2011 20:33:42 GMT -5
It's one thing to have a small model on a desk, another to have a a full size obstacle.
Square -cube law prevents it, plus other physical limitations
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Post by RiderLeangle on Nov 1, 2011 22:51:50 GMT -5
You're forgetting a ton of factors... 1: The escargot is sort of tilted with a metal ring in the spool that goes in between the supports in the middle so it's not like the replica 2: The competitor on it... This is what everyone ALWAYS forgets... 3: The Escargot does not have perfect weight distribution, it always shakes around like crazy (especially in 27) and even fell off the tracks once... 4: Even if not for all the obvious glaring tech problems... The competitor... Good competitors struggle on the obstacle enough already, it takes out tons of competitors with different skill levels... This is an obstacle that has taken out multiple finalists... It Was toned down in it's first tournament just because it ended up taking out half the competitors who ran to that point and they changed it and gave reruns, and top competitors STILL failed it... And you want to make it harder?.... |
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Post by mikessssssss on Nov 2, 2011 6:19:53 GMT -5
Unless they completely redesigned it so its mechanical then its gonna be tricky. Also, as rider said, its hard enough as it is anyway. If they put in the third stage though...
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Post by TCM on Nov 2, 2011 9:11:43 GMT -5
There's no reason an obstacle like the Rolling Escargot should be in Stage 3, it could have drops, a curved track or bounces. People flipped their lids because the spacing of the obstacles called for ladders last tournament. The RE in Stage 3 would be more of a valid reason to do so.
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Post by Kowai Yume on Nov 2, 2011 20:38:04 GMT -5
What if we added support to the top of the obstacle near the middle wheel? confused? Here's a visual   (the yellow here represents the new support) |
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Post by The Chief on Nov 2, 2011 20:45:47 GMT -5
Well, that COULD work. But the support should have the same design as the track with the two drops. Even still...you would have a 90% failure in the 1st Stage...on the 2nd or 3rd obstacle...and M9 had that already |
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Post by Kowai Yume on Nov 2, 2011 20:56:15 GMT -5
Well, my original idea was have the wheel "sandwiched" between two steel beams, the same ones on the original escargot, so it will be four, three, two and one layer of scaffolding, with the last two layers ending directly near the padding at the end. Then I realized it will be almost impossible to build a space so the cylinder connecting the three wheels together will fit and easily roll down the track.
To avoid a repeat of 19, the drops have to be about 10-15 centimeters to keep it from being violent.
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Post by Badalight on Nov 3, 2011 7:19:58 GMT -5
I feel like that would make it really time consuming to reset
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Post by UnrealCanine on Nov 3, 2011 8:17:50 GMT -5
It also adds a lot of unnecessary friction
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Post by Kowai Yume on Nov 3, 2011 11:09:56 GMT -5
That's one of the problems I faced when designing the escargot with drops. I was considering using ropes to support the top of the center wheel like the Sandan Rolling Log, but with very little slack but not to the point where it is stiff.
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Post by TCM on Nov 3, 2011 12:10:30 GMT -5
IDK why people want drops on the RE anyways. We've seen the numerous times the Rolling Maruta fell off the tracks (and a couple people moved it backwards off towards the start line). Even Yamada yanked the log off and he someone did it while at the end. The Log Grip could only have drops and we've seen the thing catch air adding shock and even have the ends tilt or fall down on one side and even comes to a full stop (even Nagano got that). RE's difficult enough on its own.
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Post by Amber on Jul 17, 2012 15:23:28 GMT -5
I think they would add drops. But someone could have a serious injury if the obstacle fell off the tracks.
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Post by dudesky1000 on Jul 17, 2012 15:37:18 GMT -5
Wow.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jul 17, 2012 16:25:36 GMT -5
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Post by thatoneuser on Jul 17, 2012 17:51:55 GMT -5
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jul 17, 2012 21:24:55 GMT -5
At least we didn't set any records with that one...
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