Your thoughts on the time limits

[wrestlingfan55]

Did you like the time limit for the first stage. Why?

I thought the time limit was too lenient. I love strict time limits, because there is a greater urge for speed. That's why Sasuke 22's first stage is one of my favourites. I think David Campbell should finish with about 25 seconds left when he's at his fastest, not 44 seconds left (I think Levi could have matched or beaten his speed). It think the time limit should have been about 15-20 seconds less).

I liked the second stage's time limit, although I'm all for reducing it by about 5 seconds (for a shock factor)

Discuss.

[arsenette]

I think it's easy to armchair quarterback a course that wasn't built by, tested by or designed by you. These things are not made lightly and are tested during the day of the course based on a lot of factors including previous time limits, weather that day, testers feedback and safety concerns. To b**** about one that is "too long" because trained people who were well trained for it made it look "easy" while the normal average person barely passed it (which was supposed to be the whole purpose of Sasuke) only screams of sour grapes. When no one passes people b****.. when "too many" people pass they still b****. I wish people would be happy Sasuke still exists at all with all of the criticism they have over this course.

[mikessssssss]

Oct 28, 2011 10:05:59 GMT -5 arsenette said:

I think it's easy to armchair quarterback a course that wasn't built by, tested by or designed by you. These things are not made lightly and are tested during the day of the course based on a lot of factors including previous time limits, weather that day, testers feedback and safety concerns. To b*tch about one that is "too long" because trained people who were well trained for it made it look "easy" while the normal average person barely passed it (which was supposed to be the whole purpose of Sasuke) only screams of sour grapes. When no one passes people b*tch.. when "too many" people pass they still b*tch. I wish people would be happy Sasuke still exists at all with all of the criticism they have over this course.

Dayuuuum that was cold, he's just inviting discussion.

I felt it was great because an easier stage one is just what i've always wanted. It helps the all stars clear the first stage. Stage 2 is where the good are seperated from the very good. I liked it.

[jfeathe]

I've always believed that the first stage shouldn't really have a strict time limit. Very good competitors should be able to clear with ample time, while those who aren't quite as good but good enough to clear should clear within 10 seconds.

The second stage historically was the speed stage and most clears from 1-17 were under 10 seconds. However, starting in 18, they moved away from this (an exception was 23) and made the second stage more about strength. As a result, the clear times have been all over the place from Levi's nearly 40 second clear to a number of 1-2 second clears and time outs.

Based on the current design of the second stage, they have to have a more lenient time limit.

[scnoi1217]

Well there will always be a split between the people that like strict time limits and more lenient time limits. Coming into 27, I wanted to see a little more leniency with the time limit. My opinion is that if someone can beat each obstacle on the first attempt and move relatively quickly through the stage, they should be able to clear. In 26, I felt people like Morikami and Shane Daniels should have cleared. Each only lost a couple of seconds here and there to falter, but I don't think it was enough to not clear. It could have been 10 seconds shorter to have a time limit comparable to 23's, it could have been 20 seconds shorter and been comparable to 22 or 26's, but it wasn't, and actually I'm happy for that.

It allowed that "second tier" of competitors to break through and clear. The "first tier" (guys like the Shin-Sedai, Americans, All-Stars, Okuyama, Li, Kongu) will clear most, if not all the time, with any First Stage you throw at them. They train so much and are prepared for just about anything M9 can think up and put into the stage. The second tier guys either aren't as skilled, have gotten enough experience, or whatever, but give them a few more seconds and have it so they don't have a pressure of a strict time limit and they can clear with ease.

Also, while 27 clears seems like a lot, look at who cleared and there aren't too many surprises:
9 Americans
1 All-Star
4 of the "official" Shin-Sedai (Urushihara, Kanno, Hashimoto, Tajima)
5 Muscle Musical Members (Morikami, Kaneko, Setoda, Ishikawa, Iketani)
4 STQers or people who train specifically for SASUKE (Kazuma, Ryo, Kato, Morimoto)
1 Veteran (Okuyama)

That leaves just 3 unknowns or surprises (Wakky, and those two guys whose names I forgot ). Even Wakky isn't that surprising since he won Geinojin Sportsman No. 1.

So, I say keep it like that, its nice seeing new faces in the Second Stage.



For the Second Stage, it was perfect in 27. We had really close calls and the top time was 18 seconds so once again speed played a huge factor. Two of the closest second stage clears have been in the last two tournaments, so they nailed it with the Second Stage.

[RiderLeangle]

Well 27's first stage time limit was set up with a few factors, 26's Speed Limit was strict, so of course they wanted to go easier on the competitors. You had the Rolling Escargot, which in 26 you had competitors shifting their weight to make it as slow as... well... a snail , But yet in 27 it seemed to move a bit faster (Or competitors were just being less careful and still clearing), Also theres no way they could have expected David R and Travis F to jump off from the second roll...

Another factor was the Halfpipe Attack, It has a new much smaller landing, they had to give a higher time limit so people can be slower and not rush and risk injury (Granted that still happened but it's not like EVERYONE who attempted it shattered their leg). The same can be said about the Spin Bridge and wanting to give people time to size it up but they really miscalculated the time on that.

As for David, he has one of the most intricate home courses of anyone (Much more filled than even Shiratori's famous yard) and he was prepared for all these obstacles, With the exception of the Spin Bridge (And even then he might have picked up some Viking stuff from here so he might have done it in some form) he's faced all of these obstacles before, he went through all the obstacles pretty much in one motion since he barely stopped, and he does one thing that not as many competitors do anymore even though practically they should, Jump up onto the Tarzan Rope and reach straight for the top of the Rope Ladder, This saves a ton of time, The testers who set the time limit and demonstrate just go across and climb up the rope ladder, he goes straight for the top

Oct 28, 2011 12:07:32 GMT -5 scnoi1217 said:

In 26, I felt people like Morikami and Shane Daniels should have cleared.

Well, those fails had nothing to do with time limit, they both needed to do much better on the Rope Ladder, they had like 19-20ish seconds left by the time they got to the Tarzan Rope, so in all honestly they SHOULD have cleared, they must have just underestimated the Rope Ladder when they should have been hauling a** anyways

[UnrealCanine]

Maybe they were expecting rain that never came, and that caused a lenient time limit

[scnoi1217]

Oct 28, 2011 12:14:20 GMT -5 RiderLeangle said:

Oct 28, 2011 12:07:32 GMT -5 scnoi1217 said:

In 26, I felt people like Morikami and Shane Daniels should have cleared.

Well, those fails had nothing to do with time limit, they both needed to do much better on the Rope Ladder, they had like 19-20ish seconds left by the time they got to the Tarzan Rope, so in all honestly they SHOULD have cleared, they must have just underestimated the Rope Ladder when they should have been hauling a** anyways

While they should have cleared with that amount of time left, I'm saying that it shouldn't have been that close to timing out when they reached that point. Going slow through the Jumping Spider, taking a couple tries to clear the HPA, or Warped Wall, ok that makes sense that you would be cutting it close because it wasn't a smooth, clean run. However, for the most part, they should have and would have cleared other SASUKEs going at that pace.

[Badalight]

Ugh, it's the tarzan rope. It needs to go. Please renewal, get rid of it.

[SasukeForever]

Stage 1: 1:45
Stage 2: 1:20
Final: 0:35

That would be perfect!

[dudesky1000]

Oct 28, 2011 17:27:16 GMT -5 Badalight said:

Ugh, it's the tarzan rope. It needs to go. Please renewal, get rid of it.

Yes please. There's no fun in the end of the stage anymore. It's like you need 25+ seconds going into it or you're almost guaranteed out. With the old rope climb, even if the buzzer started and you just hit the wall you had a chance, but now you don't even have a chance to finish if you have 15 seconds left.

It's a shame because when competitors have like, 50 seconds left on the SK or 60 seconds left on the HA you know they're finished, and there are no crazy runs like Jordan Jovtchev's. Once competitors fail the SK once or twice they mentally give up; there's no way they'll have enough time to clear.

[bigblind168]

Completely agree with Dudesky. It's not so much the Tarzan Rope, so much as the Rope Ladder. If you bring back the old rope climb, im completely down for that. Or just have the swing ladder at the end of stage 1 until they figure something else out.

[Philip]

If they predicted the course to be sunny the whole 1st Stage, I think they would have lowered the time limit to either 115 or 110.

2nd Stage- Great time limit.

[thebobmaster]

It allowed Wakky to pass. For that, I'm happy.

[intelligentinfer]

Time: too long with too many time wasters.