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Post by thebobmaster on Oct 23, 2011 3:09:54 GMT -5
I have heard from several people that Kinnikun Nakiyama stopped competing in Sasuke after 15 due to issues with M9. However, with him back for 27 (and possibly further on, considering the huge fluff piece he was given), does that mean we could possibly see Kane Kosugi or Shunsuke Nagasaki return, since they stopped competing for the same reason? Or am I just reading way too much into Nakiyama's surprising return?
I know Shane Kosugi has the martial arts dojo to run, so I didn't mention him.
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Post by TCM on Oct 23, 2011 9:28:32 GMT -5
I thought the reason Shunsuke didn't return was because of Olympic training and never happened to be free.
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Post by thatoneuser on Oct 23, 2011 10:38:18 GMT -5
Shunsuke missed SASUKE 20 and 21 to train for the Olympics but didn't qualify. He then tried to return for SASUKE 22 but hasn't been re-invited since.
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Post by ccisback94 on Oct 23, 2011 13:04:42 GMT -5
What kind of issues would M9 have with them?
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Post by RiderLeangle on Oct 23, 2011 16:41:47 GMT -5
If I remember correctly Shunsuke leaving wasn't as much a M9 problem was more his manager didn't want him competing anymore
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Post by arsenette on Oct 24, 2011 4:48:37 GMT -5
If I remember correctly Shunsuke leaving wasn't as much a M9 problem was more his manager didn't want him competing anymore Actually no.. you were right it wasn't Shun that was the problem but the 2nd part is wrong. The management was a pushy obnoxious type that demanded certain concessions to their clients (to my knowledge he's not with them anymore) and M9 despised dealing with them in general. Once the "Olympic" stuff was over (even though from what I understand he had no chance to even make the team) they just stopped dealing with the management team and left it at that. Even when Shun tried coming back and even posted on his blog about him training for it.. M9 didn't deal with him at all. I figured if he wanted to come back that would have been the perfect time to do it.. but by that time it seemed the bridge was burned. Dunno about now honestly but still seems like Shun wants to come back since he's an avid fan of the show. he's been injured a lot lately though and actually taking his training for trampoline a lot more seriously now. Could be because he's finally grown up. Kane? That's a big question. I think it has to do with him wanting to come back. I don't see M9 asking anytime soon but I figured if Kane wants to come back then he'd be back. I think he has more important things to do right now though. Kinnikun coming back though was a big shock to me. There must have been some serious a** kissing going on for him to have been invited back. |
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Post by lostinube on Oct 24, 2011 5:59:51 GMT -5
Shunsuke is trying to get into the 2012 Olympics but it's all uphill for him, I think. He's not on the team that's going to the World Championships next month.
When did the Kinnikun/M9 rift happen? He did three Geinojin Sportsmans ('05-'06) and one Pro Sportsman ('06) after SASUKE 15 and before he moved to America (and screwed up his already middling career) then one after he came back in '07 (which was the last Geinojin Sportsman).
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Post by arsenette on Oct 24, 2011 6:15:36 GMT -5
I was told around Sasuke 21 it was pretty much over for Kinnikun so that's what.. Fall of 2008? I wasn't privy to the details as to what happened (details of why) but was when asked about him everyone was not at all happy his name came up.. even worse it got kinda ugly for a few minutes.. then the subject was changed to something else. That's about all I know. So yes it would have been before fall of 2008.
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Post by snowy on Oct 24, 2011 21:09:21 GMT -5
Shunsuke is trying to get into the 2012 Olympics but it's all uphill for him, I think. He's not on the team that's going to the World Championships next month. What Ube said. Japan might have slipped a notch or two, but they're still a real trampoline powerhouse. Nagasaki is no doubt world-class, but the Japanese field is so deep it's hard to predict how things will shake out. There are a couple of guys who are pretty consistent (Ito and Ueyama), and then there are another 3-4 athletes (Sotomura, Sakamoto and Yamaguchi) who can outscore each other on any given day (and I'd include Nagasaki in this group-he recently won an important national competition). So you've got 5 or 6 guys competing for at most 2 Olympic spots or 4 world championship spots. The difference being that synchro (pairs) trampoline is not recognized as an Olympic sport. Trampoline seems to be the kind of sport where it's very easy to screw up, and one bad competition at the wrong time can shut you out for a year or more. I'm not certain of the rules (I swear, they're worse than team twirling rules), but where a national team places in the world championships is used to determine how many athletes a nation can send to the Olympic Games, and I believe the maximum is two for each gender. Determining which athletes go the Olympics is a separate process--I think. And that's probably more than you ever wanted to know about trampoline  |
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Post by arsenette on Oct 25, 2011 2:32:12 GMT -5
Hey I appreciate that breakdown because it's actually easier to understand when you put it into perspective. Hell if synchro was an Olympic Sport he might have actually done well and not only made the team but medaled!
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Post by thebobmaster on Oct 25, 2011 13:44:41 GMT -5
If I remember correctly Shunsuke leaving wasn't as much a M9 problem was more his manager didn't want him competing anymore Actually no.. you were right it wasn't Shun that was the problem but the 2nd part is wrong. The management was a pushy obnoxious type that demanded certain concessions to their clients (to my knowledge he's not with them anymore) and M9 despised dealing with them in general. Once the "Olympic" stuff was over (even though from what I understand he had no chance to even make the team) they just stopped dealing with the management team and left it at that. Even when Shun tried coming back and even posted on his blog about him training for it.. M9 didn't deal with him at all. I figured if he wanted to come back that would have been the perfect time to do it.. but by that time it seemed the bridge was burned. Dunno about now honestly but still seems like Shun wants to come back since he's an avid fan of the show. he's been injured a lot lately though and actually taking his training for trampoline a lot more seriously now. Could be because he's finally grown up. Kane? That's a big question. I think it has to do with him wanting to come back. I don't see M9 asking anytime soon but I figured if Kane wants to come back then he'd be back. I think he has more important things to do right now though. Kinnikun coming back though was a big shock to me. There must have been some serious a** kissing going on for him to have been invited back. All very good points. And I understand that Sasuke comes second to life. It would be awesome to see those two return, though. IIRC, Kane never failed the first stage in his 8 tournaments, which is an incredible streak. And Shunsuke broke several age records (granted, one of which has been beaten by Kota Honma), and made it to the final stage at the age of 19. That is a lot of potential that got cut short. |
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Post by arsenette on Oct 26, 2011 1:46:10 GMT -5
With all past competitors though I still think if enough clamor for them exists they will reevaluate their reasons. They are after all looking for popular people to put on their television show that will attract an audience. Though most people never bother to write to M9 and/or TBS and ask for specific people so I don't usually bring this up these days.
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