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Post by yamfriend on Aug 15, 2010 12:12:48 GMT -5
That looks like a pretty good list so far scnoi! Also, out of curiosity, how exactly did you calculate these scores by only using obstacle percentages and stage difficulties anyway? BTW, I can't believe that I never realized this, but for this list that I used from the old system: Are you supposed to multiply by each thing individually for each stage or is this for the entire overall run? What I mean for example is that if someone clears all 4 stages (in this case, Nagano in 17) they should get 12.5 points (+ bonuses) or 23.75 points (+ bonuses)? Because the entire time I think I misunderstood this. If so, I think the modified list below is actually what it should be more like instead (i.e if this is what you should be multiplying for each stage individually like you would in my system, in which case I'll change it in my scoring system; BTW, I also put in Sasuke 25's points in as well while I was at it ). Please tell me if this will make it easier to figure out scnoi, and I understand that this may be a little confusing to understand what I mean so if you don't get what I'm saying please feel free to ask me for a specific example and I'll try clearing it up for you. *Multiply that percentage by the corresponding number of points in the list below. Stage 1: 1-4: 0.75 5-12: 1 13-17: 1.25 18-24: 1.5 25: 1.25 Stage 2: 1-6: 1 7-17: 1.5 18-24: 2 25: 2.5 Stage 3: 1-4: 2 5-8: 2.5 9-12: 3 13-17: 3.5 18-24: 4 Stage 4: 1-4: 4.5 5-17: 7 18-22: 6 23-24: 6.25 Or at least something similar to this. Because otherwise the combined scores would become much higher than what the old system did (i.e. this new list would give Nagano's victory in 17 would give him a reasonable 13.25 points (+ bonuses) rather than the old list giving him a whopping 23.75 points (+ bonuses) for the same accomplishment; however, this new list should still be modified a little further IMO).
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Post by scnoi1217 on Aug 15, 2010 14:44:22 GMT -5
I get it. Each difficulty factor is multiplied by the amount of obstacles cleared for each stage. So, Nagano in 17 would get 23.75 points. That method has been used for the old system and for the modified list above. That is why I suggested the new system I made a few posts up. Combine that with your obstacle percentages and bonuses, that would probably be the best system yet.
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Post by yamfriend on Aug 15, 2010 17:57:25 GMT -5
I get it. Each difficulty factor is multiplied by the amount of obstacles cleared for each stage. So, Nagano in 17 would get 23.75 points. That method has been used for the old system and for the modified list above. That is why I suggested the new system I made a few posts up. Combine that with your obstacle percentages and bonuses, that would probably be the best system yet. That sounds fine with me. The only thing about this is that I'm not 100% sure how I would make this system. What I mean is that would we simply start with what you already have done in the list that you made in your earlier post and then factor in everything else or something along those lines? I'm just having trouble understanding how this would go.
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Post by scnoi1217 on Aug 21, 2010 11:09:06 GMT -5
What we could do is make a spreadsheet and have that do the math calculations for us. I made one for the list up there and I could add in the bonuses and what not, so all a person would have to do is put in the number of obstacles they cleared and what place they finished in (for the bonuses) and get a final number. Then we can use that number to make the list. Lemme know and I can make up a spreadsheet fairly easily that does all this.
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Post by yamfriend on Aug 21, 2010 21:03:09 GMT -5
With that in mind that would be way easier to do than figuring out everything in the head. So sure, I'd be more than happy to try this out scnoi.
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Post by scnoi1217 on Aug 26, 2010 20:34:06 GMT -5
Ok! So I had some free time today and decided to finish up making the calculator. So without further ado, here it is! This calculator follows my difficulty factors and uses Yam's bonuses exactly like he described them. All you have to do is put in the number of obstacles cleared and if someone cleared the stage, add in their "rank" in terms of fastest time (1=fastest time in a stage). As Yam posted, bonus 1 doesn't apply for SASUKE 1-4 but all other bonuses are there. For the sake of neatness and clarity, I hid most of the boxes that had to do with multiplying and calculating bonuses, so all you see is really all you need to work the program. ***One big thing: Once you download and save this calculator to your harddrive, DO NOT save it again. There are a lot of if statements there that excel doesn't know how to handle once saved over. (it works fine in google docs, go figure).***As an example, I have included the score for Urushihara Yuuji where his total score is highlighted in yellow. Please save these results to a new spreadsheet. Attachments:
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Post by yamfriend on Aug 26, 2010 22:46:32 GMT -5
This looks great scnoi! It stinks though that I don't have Excel yet (however, I might get it along with the rest of Microsoft Office, but that's a whole other story... ). Once I get it, I'll be more than glad to use your calculator and help figure out the top 100 ever. I do see one major error that you seemed to make with it though. When you caculated in the bonuses into there whenever somebody cleared a stage, I think you accidentally multiplied the entire amount by 0.5 (for Stage 1) or 2 (for Stage 3/4; error doesn't matter for Stage 2 since it's just multiplied by 1) instead of only multiplying the bonuses by that amount. In other words, I'm pretty sure that you used Formula #1 (wrong formula) instead of Formula #2 (right formula): Formula #1: Stage 1 clear = ("stage clear" points + Bonus #1 + Bonus #2 + Bonus #3) x 0.5 Formula #2: Stage 1 clear = ("stage clear" points) + [(Bonus #1 + Bonus #2 + Bonus #3) x 0.5] This little mistake could cause big problems when using the calculator in some situations, because (like in this example for Urushihara) it would lead to people getting more points for not clearing a stage than actually clearing it (i.e. Yuuji got more points for failing Stage 1 in Sasuke 21 than clearing Stage 1 in Sasuke 23 because of this error). If you're able to scnoi, could you try fixing this? Thanks! Other than that though the calculator that you made doesn't seem to have any other noticable problems with it whatsoever. With your difficulty factors/calculator layout and my obstacle percentages/bonuses, this is certainly a very fair and accurate way for measuring each competitor's overall Sasuke performance. I guess we make a pretty good team.
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Post by scnoi1217 on Aug 26, 2010 23:35:27 GMT -5
Ohhhh I see that hehe fixed it. This works much better Attachments:
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Post by thatoneuser on Aug 27, 2010 6:36:09 GMT -5
Thank you Scnoi for your usual beastiness
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Post by thatoneuser on Aug 28, 2010 9:40:46 GMT -5
Okay, I've done six competitors so far, and here are my (interesting IMO) results:
Shingo Yamamoto 95.941 Yuuji Urushihara 49.0559 Kazuhiko Akiyama 43.9031 Kouji Hashimoto 36.5187 Ryo Matachi 4.725 Oya Motohide 4.225
Seems to me like kanzenseiha should be worth a lot more than twice a first stage clear. Just seems like clearing the First Stage is too overpowering.
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Post by scnoi1217 on Aug 28, 2010 10:47:12 GMT -5
Okay, I've done six competitors so far, and here are my (interesting IMO) results: Shingo Yamamoto 95.941 Yuuji Urushihara 49.0559 Kazuhiko Akiyama 43.9031 Kouji Hashimoto 36.5187 Ryo Matachi 4.725 Oya Motohide 4.225 Seems to me like kanzenseiha should be worth a lot more than twice a first stage clear. Just seems like clearing the First Stage is too overpowering. Thing is, he got kanzenseiha on a pretty easy course. In relative terms, it is equal to someone in 25 beating the UCH, but failing the Rings while getting the fastest time in the first two stages. Hmm, we get slightly different numbers for Shingo, Yuuji, and Akiyama. I did like 30 people yesterday, here's what I came up with: PLEASE DOUBLE CHECK MY NUMBERS. # Competitor Unknown Results? Points 1 Nagano Makoto 0 145.8286616 2 Takeda Toshihiro 0 123.8077291 3 Yamamoto Shingo 0 96.6347132 4 Takahashi Kenji 2 69.55662879 5 Bunpei Shiratori 0 59.9030303 6 Okuyama Yoshiyuki 0 59.47518939 7 Li En Zhi 0 53.05218254 8 Yamada Katsumi 0 52.04350649 9 Urushihara Yuuji 0 50.68092532 10 Nagasaki Shunsuke 0 49.25446429 11 Iketani Naoki 0 47.48660714 12 Akiyama Kazuhiko 0 42.75478896 13 Kanno Hitoshi 0 39.39042208 14 Nakata Daisuke 0 37.31483586 15 Yamada Koji 0 36.6495671 16 Hashimoto Koji 0 36.51866883 17 Jordan Jovtchev 0 34.58658009 18 Levi Meeuwenberg 0 34.13125 19 Asaoka Hiroyuki 0 33.41071429 20 Kobayashi Shinji 3 23.4038961 21 Brian Orosco 0 23.09873737 22 Hiromichi Sato 0 22.46458333 23 Kane Kosugi 0 22.02916667 24 Tajima Naoya 0 18.04880952 25 Miyazaki Daisuke 0 15.36944444 26 Sato Jun 0 15.1530303 27 Omori Akira 0 14.61875 28 Nakayama Kinnikun 0 11.32824675 29 Wakky 0 8.61875 30 Nakamura Satoshi 0 4.70625
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Post by YoDaUO on Aug 28, 2010 13:17:17 GMT -5
Im not double checking cause i dont know the formula (my head got dizzy from seeing all of the charts lol) but theres no way that Kongu is ahead of Bunpei..
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Post by scnoi1217 on Aug 28, 2010 13:43:31 GMT -5
Im not double checking cause i dont know the formula (my head got dizzy from seeing all of the charts lol) but theres no way that Kongu is ahead of Bunpei.. I made an excel sheet that does all the calculations for you, its on the previous page. And yes, Kongu is ahead of Bunpei. Bunpei made it to the Third Stage 5 times while Kongu has been there 6 times. Both are finalists, but Kongu has been performing similarly to Bunpei (in his prime) on a much harder course. Thus, he is getting more points.
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Post by thatoneuser on Aug 28, 2010 13:50:18 GMT -5
Did you reimburse Kenji for his missed appearances, or is that just a mark for that he probably has more points than he should?
EDIT: Shinji too
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Post by scnoi1217 on Aug 28, 2010 13:55:15 GMT -5
Did you reimburse Kenji for his missed appearances, or is that just a mark for that he probably has more points than he should? EDIT: Shinji too Just a mark, there isn't an accurate way to include those unknown results, so I'm just leaving that out and making a note of it.
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Post by thatoneuser on Aug 28, 2010 13:57:57 GMT -5
All right. I guess what we could do is take the median failure and apply that to them since we know they didn't clear the First Stage.
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Post by thatoneuser on Aug 28, 2010 14:23:04 GMT -5
I'm getting 146.579 for Nagano.
EDIT: 33.6396 for Levi
EDIT: 56.6801 for Bunpei
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Post by yamfriend on Aug 28, 2010 17:01:30 GMT -5
RC, are you sure that you're using the second calculator that scnoi posted? Because the original one that he put up had an error in it that he fixed in the second one.
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Post by scnoi1217 on Aug 28, 2010 17:45:06 GMT -5
I'm getting 146.579 for Nagano. EDIT: 33.6396 for Levi EDIT: 56.6801 for Bunpei Ok, here's how we'll do this. This is what I get for them. (I double checked these, so I'm pretty sure they are right): Levi: Nagano:
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Post by thatoneuser on Aug 28, 2010 19:12:55 GMT -5
Pretty sure Nagano was 1st and Levi was 2nd in SASUKE 20, that might make a difference. And yes Yam, I do have the updated calculator.
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