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Post by sasukefan on Oct 3, 2011 9:37:57 GMT -5
First of all, I would like to offer my condolences to Nagano Makoto. It must have been the hardest time of his life... Fortunately, he had supporters - his family and...us I'm so sorry he didn't make it. I began to think he might not when I saw the look on his face before starting the UCH. He didn't believe he would do it!! Does anyone know WHY he was so doubtful?
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Post by scopedknife on Oct 3, 2011 9:45:13 GMT -5
Probably because he'd never attempted the UCH before and it scared the living daylights out of him lol He's a modest man, and is an incredible physical specimen... but the UCH is somewhat beastly if you're unfamiliar with it. It would seem that it takes an UNCLI to beat it and make it the rest of the way. Still, I was really happy to see Nagano break his First Stage rut. I hope he can repeat such a performance next time ^^
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Post by sasukefan on Oct 3, 2011 9:53:21 GMT -5
Did Yuuji and ...the other finalist attempted the new UCH before? Did anyone passed it before?
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Post by scopedknife on Oct 3, 2011 9:58:32 GMT -5
They hadn't attempted it on the show, but they are both Unlimited Cliffers, known for their extensive Cliffhanger training off the show. They've both had ample practice on replicas, and have become very used to beating it. Still, to be able to do it on the day itself is something different entirely. After all, I was sad to see David Campbell fall where he did, despite his training. Some things are unavoidable, and hopefully everyone can do even better next time. I really want to see Nagano in a final again
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Post by TCM on Oct 3, 2011 9:59:26 GMT -5
Kouji Hashimoto, the first to clear the obstacle (failed the Chain See-Saw) did so in his second attempt at it. Ryo Matachi (the other finalist) and Yuuji had their first attempts of the obstacle in competition, although the three of them trained on Cliffhangers heavily together (especially Yuuji and Ryo considering they belong to the Ultimate Cliffers (UNCLI) group whose expertise are Cliffhangers).
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Post by mikessssssss on Oct 3, 2011 10:00:29 GMT -5
They built replicas and trained on them prior to the tournament; Nagano had no such advantage. Take nothing away from Ryo and Yuuji though because they're also incredible.
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Post by Badalight on Oct 3, 2011 12:05:27 GMT -5
Nagano did extremely well. He didn't look tired on the obstacle, I strongly believe he had the endurance to finish.
As for the jump, he was THIS CLOSE. He mad the distance easily, but the force pulled his fingers off. It also took a second for him to fall. He was incredibly close to staying on and finish the obstacle.
I for one, am impressed. I figured he'd fail there but Nagano has shown his natural talents. Even he himself was shaking his head thinking there was no way he could beat it. He hasn't training for the UCH like Ryo and Yuuji have (I'm not trying to take anything away from them btw) so it was amazing that he got that far.
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Post by quasikoz on Oct 3, 2011 13:15:41 GMT -5
Nagano felled alot of obstacles he was seeing for the first time. His physical abilities to improvise like that is amazing.
It did get deep into the night by the time he put his hands on the Cliffhanger, and he did a good job moving on it, but just couldn't hold on. I don't see the Cliffhanger getting any harder (or easier) so hopefully he continues to train so he can beat it.
Loved the flag he unfurled before he started the 1st stage by the way. I hope that gets circulated to alot of places.
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Post by sasukefan on Oct 3, 2011 13:18:08 GMT -5
I'm Nagano-blinded, so there's no need to convince me of his abilities... HOWEVER, there's something that struck me today. Ever since I saw Nagano (and that was in SASUKE 15 - I had the random order of watching) I noticed the grace and lightness in his movements. He smashed those obstacles as if it was a piece of cake... He had that lightness about him that no other contestant had. But TODAY for the first time in my life I thought that he was too...heavy... Yeah, I know how ridiculous that sounds, but he dangled heavily from the ledge. He even started the UCH with a strange position of his body... People fail for different reasons - for Nagano it could be 1.lost of balance or 2. not jumping high enough (+ for others - 3. lost of strength) None of it happened here, so I couldn't really understand why he didn't manage. But now, that you say it was his first time of ever UCHanging... It is an explanation - he tends to have problems with new obstacles. I only hope he won't give up. I had the feeling he was disappointed with himself
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Post by Badalight on Oct 3, 2011 13:37:15 GMT -5
The UCH is no joke. It takes immense endurance and Nagano aint gettin any younger. He got incredibly far considering it was his first time EVER attempting it. The other people in the tournament that passed all have trained extensively for it.
Plus, I think he would've had it if he just held on. He had the distance and the endurance, but just barely not enough strength.
I agree that Nagano has always had a lightness to his movement. He's getting "heavier" simply because he's getting older. He said the first thing to go are the legs and you can definitely see that with Nagano. He's been having a really hard time with jump obstacles and things like the warped wall. His legs simply want to give up on him. His height sure doesn't help either.
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Post by sasukefan on Oct 3, 2011 13:55:26 GMT -5
The UCH is no joke. It takes immense endurance and Nagano aint gettin any younger. He got incredibly far considering it was his first time EVER attempting it. The other people in the tournament that passed all have trained extensively for it. Plus, I think he would've had it if he just held on. He had the distance and the endurance, but just barely not enough strength. I agree that Nagano has always had a lightness to his movement. He's getting "heavier" simply because he's getting older. He said the first thing to go are the legs and you can definitely see that with Nagano. He's been having a really hard time with jump obstacles and things like the warped wall. His legs simply want to give up on him. His height sure doesn't help either. I wouldn't talk about Nagano's age yet - there's a new competitor (whose name I don't know, as always...a gym trainer, I think) who's 41 and apparently did great before (not that good this time though) Besides, heroes never get old...so don't you even start! ... Did you see any old SUPERMAN? And these people are super men ...apart from that I agree with you...
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Post by Badalight on Oct 3, 2011 13:58:12 GMT -5
The UCH is no joke. It takes immense endurance and Nagano aint gettin any younger. He got incredibly far considering it was his first time EVER attempting it. The other people in the tournament that passed all have trained extensively for it. Plus, I think he would've had it if he just held on. He had the distance and the endurance, but just barely not enough strength. I agree that Nagano has always had a lightness to his movement. He's getting "heavier" simply because he's getting older. He said the first thing to go are the legs and you can definitely see that with Nagano. He's been having a really hard time with jump obstacles and things like the warped wall. His legs simply want to give up on him. His height sure doesn't help either. I wouldn't talk about Nagano's age yet - there's a new competitor (whose name I don't know, as always...a gym trainer, I think) who's 41 and apparently did great before (not that good this time though) Besides, heroes never get old...so don't you even start! ... I have no idea who the 41 year old you're talking about is. And I am allowed to talk about his age. These are things that HE said. I am not speculating here. Nagano himself gave the speech about his legs, and it is very apparent from his performances that he was spot on.
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Post by UnrealCanine on Oct 3, 2011 14:02:23 GMT -5
He means Okuyama. But still, you can't compare the two
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Post by sasukefan on Oct 3, 2011 14:04:55 GMT -5
So you don't believe he could win again?
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Post by sasukefan on Oct 3, 2011 14:07:34 GMT -5
So you don't believe he could win again? I don't compare. I just don't think it's time for Nagano to retire yet!
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Post by Badalight on Oct 3, 2011 14:12:58 GMT -5
No one said it was time for him to retire. I believe from the performance he gave in 27 that he definitely still has it in him to pass.
However, I don't believe he has been training as much lately. He does have a wife and kid now, and I'm sure he spends every waking moment he can with them since he's not on land very often.
Also since he's always out at sea, he really has no way to train on obstacle replicas.
In this age of Sasuke, if you don't practice on replicas you're going to have a very difficult time.
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Post by jfeathe on Oct 3, 2011 14:30:18 GMT -5
Considering he hasn't seen the second stage and beyond since 23, his run was very impressive- especially his second stage run.
The last time he attempted the second stage, the Salmon Ladder was it's own obstacle. To clear a version that was changed TWICE since the last time he attempted it was stunning. Plus, he cleared the (seemingly more difficult) Metal Spin.
I think his UCH fail was solely a technique issue. He had the energy, but he just didn't catch the tiny ledge right. If he had another attempt at it, I could see him clearing it.
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Post by UnrealCanine on Oct 3, 2011 14:37:53 GMT -5
The last time he attempted the second stage, the Salmon Ladder was it's own obstacle. To clear a version that was changed TWICE since the last time he attempted it was stunning. Plus, he cleared the (seemingly more difficult) Metal Spin. Shingo was alright on the combo in 25
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Post by sasukefan on Oct 3, 2011 15:28:43 GMT -5
Considering he hasn't seen the second stage and beyond since 23, his run was very impressive- especially his second stage run. The last time he attempted the second stage, the Salmon Ladder was it's own obstacle. To clear a version that was changed TWICE since the last time he attempted it was stunning. Plus, he cleared the (seemingly more difficult) Metal Spin. I think his UCH fail was solely a technique issue. He had the energy, but he just didn't catch the tiny ledge right. If he had another attempt at it, I could see him clearing it. When I first saw the Double Salmon Ladder (I don't know the exact names) I thought it was a killer (difficult enough to be in 3d stage). To be honest with you - it's against gravity. UCH is second hardest obstacle, but what follows the UCH NOW is quite as bad. Inventors are insane...And they change the obstacles too often recently...
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Post by SRW on Oct 3, 2011 16:02:53 GMT -5
Nagano will beat the UCH next time (im not convinced it will be replaced)
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