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Post by SRW on Oct 3, 2011 9:23:09 GMT -5
What was your opinions of the new but now crushed final stage?
I liked it but still felt the time was too much and why was it not all the way to the floor?.
The steps ramp looked awesome though, to the rope.
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Post by UnrealCanine on Oct 3, 2011 9:29:41 GMT -5
It's a tougher version of the original final stage
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Post by SRW on Oct 3, 2011 9:34:31 GMT -5
It should have been 35 seconds at most though - Ironically Yuuji would have STILL won it at that.
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Post by SuperTiger on Oct 3, 2011 11:32:44 GMT -5
I wasn't to pleased with it. Granted we kinda had an idea it was just a rope, but it still leaves me thinking, C'mon M9 is that really the best you can come up with? It's just to some extent very disappointing when we're getting an old final stage except it's 5 meters longer. Then there was the time limit, which as SRW said at most should have been 35. As crazy as it sounds I'm almost willing to say it would have been perfect at 30. Maybe it's better this way, since this final stage is toast.
Semi-unrelated, but I wonder what time it was when the Final Stage runs were going on. It wasn't pitch black. Must have been 4 or 5 am, since the sky was starting to become blue.
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Post by Philip on Oct 3, 2011 11:51:09 GMT -5
I wasn't to pleased with it. Granted we kinda had an idea it was just a rope, but it still leaves me thinking, C'mon M9 is that really the best you can come up with? It's just to some extent very disappointing when we're getting an old final stage except it's 5 meters longer. Then there was the time limit, which as SRW said at most should have been 35. As crazy as it sounds I'm almost willing to say it would have been perfect at 30. Maybe it's better this way, since this final stage is toast. Semi-unrelated, but I wonder what time it was when the Final Stage runs were going on. It wasn't pitch black. Must have been 4 or 5 am, since the sky was starting to become blue. I was thinking the same thing about the sky becoming blue, haha. I think the final stage was too easy time limit wise. make it 30 seconds. also, my 100th post on these awesome forums!
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Post by Badalight on Oct 3, 2011 12:17:09 GMT -5
It would've been fine had they kept the height of the tower the same and made the competitors sit down. The steps shortened the tower to 20M and standing up is another 2M.
IMO if they would've done that it would've still been beatable but would've been the hardest final stage thus far.
Actually, it might just be the hardest final stage to date regardless. I'm sure there's debate that the 5-17 one was harder, but it's hard to judge.
The 5-17 had the spider walk. I'm sure most competitors can spider walk faster than they can rope climb. It also doesn't tire you out nearly as much. A spider walk and short rope climb is definitely easier than a straight up rope climb.
Though you have to factor in the time limits 30 second and 40 seconds, and also the fact that there is no transition in the new one.
It's hard to judge... I'll give the edge to the 5-17 one since it's a mad-dash that allows no mistakes while this one is more enduranced based.
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Post by quasikoz on Oct 3, 2011 12:49:19 GMT -5
I also give the edge to the 5-17 Final Stage as the hardest final stage.
Creatively this final stage was lame, but the difficulty still hard. I wish they would have had a 5 meter Salmon Ladder section and then the rope climb. When you have the Ultimate Cliffhanger and the Chain See Saw leading in from the 3rd Stage, you have to knock the Final Stage obstacle out of the park and I felt like they didn't do that.
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Post by SasukeForever on Oct 3, 2011 13:02:43 GMT -5
The final SUCKED! Let's go over these hard obstacles. Jumping spider, escargot, ha, the wall, dsl, unstable bridge, etc. But then the final is a 20m rope in 40 seconds. Bring in SRW's final!
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Post by gt4dom on Oct 3, 2011 13:27:28 GMT -5
30/15 = 0.5 m/s 40/20 = 0.5 m/s Now Akiyama did it in 24 so that's 24/15 which is 0.625 m/s, and Akiyama did that with a lot less specialist rope training than what Yuuji did. So WHY did the producers thing that an extra 5 metres would take 16 seconds. The time limit should have been at a Maximum 35 seconds, maybe even 30/32 seconds, but overall, I thought that it was a lot easier than 5 - 17 Spider Climb, and I just hope that they come up with something more imaginative for 28.
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Post by jfeathe on Oct 3, 2011 14:21:42 GMT -5
I have a bunch of thoughts, so I'll just lay them all out here.
I think the producers were banking on people really slowing down near the top. For the Sasuke 1-4 era, there were a few contestants who were on track (half the distance in 15 seconds) but completely slowed down to a near stop.
Even though the required rate of climbing was the same, keeping that same rate an additional 5 meters was definitely harder.
From what I saw, Yuuji took about 16 seconds to climb the first half and 18 seconds to climb the second half- he nearly climbed at the same speed the entire time which is the main reason he made it and Ryo didn't.
I think had only Ryo made it to the final, the time limit would have been reduced to 35 seconds in 28 (which Yuuji still would have crushed). I equate Yuuji's run to Akiyama in Sasuke 4 and Ryo's run to Yamada in Sasuke 3.
I can't say which of the 4 finals is harder, but it's definitely harder than 1 and 3. The thing about era 2's final was that most competitors made it very close to the top, but couldn't quite go fast enough. Nagano's run was near perfect, so he managed to make it. However, if he had climbed the rope like Yuuji did today, he'd have left had a bit more time on the clock (3.5-5 seconds).
I think I'd actually put 2 and 4 at a tie (for different reasons).
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Post by Badalight on Oct 3, 2011 14:29:04 GMT -5
I think 4 is harder in the sense that you don't have time to make mistakes, but more people are physically capable of doing it.
The new final stage allows plenty of room for error, but it's a lot more physically draining and takes more endurance rather than straight up speed. Slowing down hurts you more than going slow but keeping a steady pace.
So I think the 5-17 is less arduous, but very hard to beat and leaves no room for error. While the new one only a few people have the capability to do it, which that itself makes it hard.
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Post by wolf4537 on Oct 3, 2011 14:29:52 GMT -5
Yeah this final stage seems tougher overall in terms of endurance, though in general I was kinda hoping for something more....
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Post by UnrealCanine on Oct 3, 2011 14:36:02 GMT -5
I think people need to remember the KISS approach when thinking of a final stage.
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Post by slam on Oct 3, 2011 15:21:09 GMT -5
I think people need to remember the KISS approach when thinking of a final stage. While wearing black leather, studs and makeup would make the final stage harder and more entertaining, I think it'd be too radical a change for Sasuke.
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Post by TCM on Oct 3, 2011 15:24:12 GMT -5
I think people need to remember the KISS approach when thinking of a final stage. While wearing black leather, studs and makeup would make the final stage harder and more entertaining, I think it'd be too radical a change for Sasuke. Not sure if serious I liked the Final, maybe they could have lengthened the rope a bit so they won't start standing but there's a reason for everything.
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Post by japantv1210 on Oct 3, 2011 16:45:44 GMT -5
I liked it. I feel like its credibility is a bit shot though just because two amazing competitors made such great attempts at it, but perhaps 35 seconds would have been better. I don't know. I do like simple final stages. I wouldn't want some crazy 5 obstacle final stage or anything like that. Overall though, I still say 5-17 was the hardest.
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Post by quasikoz on Oct 3, 2011 17:03:12 GMT -5
I think people need to remember the KISS approach when thinking of a final stage. I think if they want to keep the tower for a 4th stage, yes they have to. But they can't keep it so simple that it feels like a lazy creative decision. It was fine from 1-4 when the tower was smaller and the budget cheaper. Part of me wouldn't even mind if they chucked the old tower and did something radically different. Part of me also wants the Salmon Ladder moved out of the 2nd second and put in as the first obstacle from the Final Stage. You can consider me delusional. It's fair game.
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Post by UnrealCanine on Oct 3, 2011 17:05:23 GMT -5
It takes people 30 seconds to climb 2m on the salmon ladder. How longs it gonna take to climb 10?
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Post by SRW on Oct 3, 2011 17:41:30 GMT -5
Bring in one of my finals from SM SASUKE and no one will ever achieve kanzenseiha again!
Back to the real one what can they do next? they really have to make the tower taller now to incorporate any radical new ideas.
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Post by jfeathe on Oct 3, 2011 17:46:53 GMT -5
The thing is, there's only so many ways you can go straight up ;D
The only other (feasable) thing I can think of is a Kunoichi 6 style rock wall.
OR... They could make the Final Stage an actual stage with a time limit. But it wouldn't just be Sasuke.
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