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Post by bigblind168 on Oct 3, 2011 8:51:52 GMT -5
Simple question, who was better in their prime on sasuke. Yuuji or Nagano
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Post by SRW on Oct 3, 2011 8:53:01 GMT -5
Nagano hes been there longer and done more consistantly over time! Yuuji beat two easier final stages now his win was totally deserved but it felt very anticlimatic since he just come off his last kz.
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Post by intelligentinfer on Oct 3, 2011 8:53:52 GMT -5
I'll go with Nagano. Who built the climax for Sasuke 24?
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Post by mikessssssss on Oct 3, 2011 9:05:52 GMT -5
Can't compare the two.
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Post by TCM on Oct 3, 2011 9:19:54 GMT -5
Two different eras, two different mindsets with the producers in those eras, two different skillsets in terms of the two Yuuji's still in his until (forbid) the shows ends or there's a different winner, that renders all potential comparisons moot.
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Post by quasikoz on Oct 3, 2011 13:29:01 GMT -5
I give the slight edge to Nagano.
Nagano has been to more final stages. Beat a harder final stage than Yuuji's two stages, and has been more consistent when he was the top competitor. (He made it to the 3rd Stage 7 times in a row!)
Yuuji has capitalized on his opportunities better. He's beaten harder 3rd stages than Nagano has.
The real question is can Yuuji be a top competitor and reach the 3rd stage for the next couple of Sasukes? (assuming there are more) If so, he takes the mantle from Nagano.
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Post by japantv1210 on Oct 3, 2011 16:33:25 GMT -5
I'm gonna still give Nagano the edge. Maybe it's just personal bias since when I got into Sasuke he was the man, so I can't see him as anything other than that haha.
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Post by lostinube on Oct 3, 2011 19:31:47 GMT -5
Both men reached their first Final Stage at the age of 31. We can't compare the two yet because Yuuji is in the middle of his prime right now. When he reaches the age Nagano is now then we can start to compare them.
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Post by arsenette on Oct 3, 2011 20:31:06 GMT -5
Both men reached their first Final Stage at the age of 31. We can't compare the two yet because Yuuji is in the middle of his prime right now. When he reaches the age Nagano is now then we can start to compare them. I agree actually. They are also from totally different eras and those are always difficult to compare as one is teaching the other as they go along. Especially in Nagano's case. Even Yuuji mentioned how much he looked up to them all (previous competitors especially the All-Stars) where Nagano was blazing the trail on his own. Still though.. 2 time champion is nothing to sneeze at and I'm happy both have wonderful performances to mark their career in Sasuke. I wish people were able to like them both without having to chose between the 2.
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Post by yamfriend on Oct 3, 2011 20:50:28 GMT -5
Nagano is probably a little better all-around, whereas Yuuji seems to be better in a few specific areas. Although they're arguably the 2 greatest athletes Sasuke has ever seen, I give the advantage to Nagano by just a bit over Yuuji.
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Post by lostinube on Oct 3, 2011 21:01:20 GMT -5
Yuuji is built (and has built himself) for SASUKE. I don't doubt he was athletic before but if he started watching SASUKE from the beginning he would have spent his twenties preparing himself for it whereas Nagano was someone whose natural abilities just sort of fit into the show perfectly. Not to say that there is anything unnatural about Yuuji. Or that Nagano hasn't trained specifically for SASUKE. Just that they reached where they are by different paths.
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Post by richie137 on Oct 3, 2011 21:38:16 GMT -5
Nagano now but he came from and different and difficult era, but if yuuji keeps going into third stages and final stages and wins a few more in it he becomes the man, to fear plus two time winner I could see him winning even more unless it is really brutal, call me crazy he could become the dominant athlete in sasuke.
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Post by sentinel on Oct 4, 2011 2:46:09 GMT -5
I'll say Yuuji, for this reason-
He is so good now, that he is going to force Sasuke to be incredibly, incredibly difficult to prevent him from achieving total victory twice in a row. And if someone that dedicates their life to Sasuke cannot do it - who possibly could? What I'm saying is - Yuuji is so good that he's going to force the difficulty into a more 'impossible' realm than Nagano ever did. I never felt like with Nagano, he was forcing the creators of Sasuke to make the course completely outside the realm of possibility, but with Yuuji, I do.
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Post by roy on Oct 4, 2011 5:31:34 GMT -5
^that's pretty much what I feel too, sentinel. Although, when we did first see the Shin-Cliffhanger we were thinking it was impossible. But Yuuji will take it to a new level. Plus, he's simply holding TWO final stage clears.
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Post by blah123 on Oct 4, 2011 9:12:19 GMT -5
I'll say Yuuji simply because stage 2 and 3 are WAY harder now than in the 5-17 era. Yuuji has trained specifically for the obstacles like the UCH, and it shows in his shear dominance on the course. As sentinel said, they'll probably redesign much of the course simply to make Yuuji unable to beat it. I never got this feeling from Nagano.
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Post by Badalight on Oct 4, 2011 9:31:15 GMT -5
I'll say Yuuji simply because stage 2 and 3 are WAY harder now than in the 5-17 era. Yuuji has trained specifically for the obstacles like the UCH, and it shows in his shear dominance on the course. As sentinel said, they'll probably redesign much of the course simply to make Yuuji unable to beat it. I never got this feeling from Nagano. 5-17 era Stage 1 is harder now Stage 2 is harder now Stage 3 is debateable Stage 4 is debateable I don't think it's as clear cut as everyone says. The real challenge of stage 3 comes with the UCH. Nothing else matters. It's hard to compare because the new stage 3 is entirely dependant on that 1 obstacle. The old stage 3 every single obstacle was a threat, specifically Sasuke 14. Rumbling Dice, Body Prop, Curtain Cling, Cliff-hanger, Jumpingbars+Monkey bars, Devil's Swing + Pipe Slider All hard, but none as hard as the UCH. So it really depends on how you look at it. The old stage 3 is over-all more tiring and more balanced.
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Post by mikessssssss on Oct 4, 2011 9:32:18 GMT -5
Yeh, but the increase in difficulty is due to Nagano. As the competitors get harder obstacles thrown at them, they must adapt. If Nagano were not so good then obstacles like the UCH would never have been made.
Yuuji joined and competed as the course was becoming super hard - and so he was able to adapt and change as the course did before he even became well known.
Nagano's job means he cannot train for specific obstacles which clearly need special training. He couldn't do the UCH because it requires a replica, in truth, to complete.
Yuuji has mastered everything and is the complete Sasuke coimpetitor. Ryo, the cliffhanger king, couldn't climb the rope anmywhere near as well as Yuuji. Yuuji has everything.
This is why its unfair to compare Nagano and Yuuji; different eras and variables. On a level playing field i feel Nagano would hve just shaded it - but in fairness they would probably have just matched each other.
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Post by JBone on Oct 4, 2011 9:41:53 GMT -5
Nagano vs. Yuuji that's a difficult decision, but since I'm a HUGE Nagano fan I'll go with (you guessed it) Nagano! no disrespect to Yuuji though, he definitely deserves all the respect he gets. He's a great athlete.
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Post by lars072 on Oct 4, 2011 10:01:59 GMT -5
Nagano is a legend, not only for being an amazing athlete and competitior but for his brilliant attitude and sportmanship over the years. What a great way to mark my 1000th post!
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Post by stevensamypp on Oct 4, 2011 14:56:46 GMT -5
When I think about the two, I will always put Nagano as #1 in my mind. I think Nagano has more adaptability than Yuuji, whereas Yuuji is great at practicing known obstacles and dominating them (see UCH and rope climbing).
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