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Post by arsenette on Aug 23, 2011 15:03:36 GMT -5
1. Weekdays in general have good ratings just changes each day what allegiance is there that night. I used Wipeout since that's NBC's direct competition even according to THEM. Their goal is to go head to head with them at some point with ANW in the future.
2. Wipeout maintained ratings. ALL premieres lose ratings (in every genre it's just the nature of the beast) but they have maintained a consistent rating week after week after week consistently winning their timeslot or being 2nd. That's good for any series regardless of genre.
3. They didn't hold the viewers they gained it after the main 2 went to local programing (Hells Kitchen and Bachlelor finished at 10 PM while ANW went on to 11). Normal ratings for a daily show in general is around 5-8 million topping at 10 on big nights. ANW didn't even get to 4 mil having no competition at the 10 pm hour and still losing in the ratings race coming in 3rd.
4. AGT has been doing the same ratings for the Monday repeats all summer and is consistently 2nd-3rd on Monday's. When ANW came on it dropped to 4th.
5. It got a LOT of promotion for NBC's standards. You have to remember that as a whole NBC has been consistently last in the ratings all year long so for them to put money into this they really wanted it to work. They haven't had a premiere anything in a while now from what I'm reading so for it's investment it didn't get what it wanted. And you are correct on the higher interest in network trying for Japanese shows back in 2008. Given the environment now though with ANW still being comparable to Wipeout and being it's main competition according to NBC.. they didn't measure up. I'm sure there will be spin. There always is.. but coming in last is not a good thing no matter how they try to spin it.
6. DVR IS computed into ratings.. It's right on all the pages.
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Post by hodgemo2 on Aug 23, 2011 15:17:53 GMT -5
6. DVR IS computed into ratings.. It's right on all the pages. I was actually just coming back to re-edit my post as I read more clearly that the same-day DVR numbers were included. Oops. I'm not going to argue, but I still think that the numbers aren't bad for the reasons I stated above. That isn't to say that they couldn't be better, or that they were amazing....I just see it as better than I expected. But a small question. You said that "4. AGT has been doing the same ratings for the Monday repeats all summer and is consistently 2nd-3rd on Monday's. When ANW came on it dropped to 4th." I've already closed the ratings article and am too lazy to reopen it. Do you mean that AGT dropped to 4th, or ANW was 4th?
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Post by arsenette on Aug 23, 2011 15:25:45 GMT -5
NBC overall dropped to 4th at the 9pm hour. They had 3rd going into the 9PM hour. They experienced a spike in demos (meaning specific demographics (that's all G4 looks at) and they were first first the first half hour - most likely men watching what this show as about) but then lost the demo as the night went on. Considering that at 10PM all the major competition was down and they still didn't regain the ratings means they only kept the ones who stayed on from 9:30 PM and that's it. They didn't benefit from the shift in audience at 10PM as expected.. they just came in 3rd simply because FOX went to local and didn't factor in national ratings when they go local. P.S. More numbers (I don't want to get more posts up LOL) www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/23/us-ratings-idUSTRE77M6UJ20110823
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Post by ansem120 on Aug 23, 2011 15:53:07 GMT -5
Admittedly, I am slightly ignorant of the whole ratings game, but aren't those really good numbers considering everything?
I didn't see ANY promotion for this show beyond the odd commercial on G4, a network that does not reach 3.95 mil viewers for sure.
As someone pointed out, this was a glorified pilot. I know exactly one person who knows what "Ninja Warrior" is, and that's my buddy who also trains for the show.
Other networks be damned, I think it says something that ratings did go up after 10. Were people interested enough to see if the dedicated David Campbell could finally be the first person to beat the UCH? Apparently, or else they wouldn't watch.
To expect this niche show from a niche digital channel to blow away established shows like "Wipeout" and "Hell's Kitchen" is a little much.
I see no reason why NBC and especially G4 would not be ecstatic over these ratings.
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Post by arsenette on Aug 23, 2011 15:58:03 GMT -5
Well if you see it in the context of which it's meant to be .. this is a test. A test for future ANW on network TV. So if they can't get the ratings they won't get the sponsors. It's just as simple as that. For the amount of money NBC put into this and they got 4th who knows. We know ANW is not going anywhere. It's whether it's going to be on NBC in last place or G4 in first (in their network alone obviously). It's a money issue. For M9's perspective it's whether being last in the USA or last in Japan.. where do they think their money is best invested in? That is the whole purpose of dissecting ratings in the first place.
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Post by ansem120 on Aug 23, 2011 16:06:42 GMT -5
I guess I'm thinking that if they can get somewhat respectable ratings out of a somewhat unknown show, I don't see why that can't become a show that can bring in sponsors after it's been established.
In my opinion, they can only go up from here. No one knew the story of Paul Kasemir and his recent hardships. No one knew who David Campbell is or why he's important. No one knew that there has never been a G4 sent American to go to the final stage. But they do now. And those are reasons to watch, something viewers didn't really have this time around.
Of course, if TBS pulls in good ratings, (Which I truly think is possible) none of this even matters.
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Post by arsenette on Aug 23, 2011 16:10:45 GMT -5
I guess I'm thinking that if they can get somewhat respectable ratings out of a somewhat unknown show, I don't see why that can't become a show that can bring in sponsors after it's been established. In my opinion, they can only go up from here. No one knew the story of Paul Kasemir and his recent hardships. No one knew who David Campbell is or why he's important. No one knew that there has never been a G4 sent American to go to the final stage. But they do now. And those are reasons to watch, something viewers didn't really have this time around. Of course, if TBS pulls in good ratings, (Which I truly think is possible) none of this even matters. All true and yes on that last line. TBS needs to step up their game. As was told to me a few minutes ago on twitter. (TBS is Japan's NBC) lol.. they need to step up their game. ANW is not going anywhere folks just depends on where it goes. Depends if K-Swiss stays on (remember this is the 3rd major sponsor since ANW started..) and what sponsors they might have actually gained. We'll find out when the new ANW is officially announced and the names of the sponsors are revealed. P.S. More ratings information is still coming. These are all prelim stuff. I did find this on Univision which actually beat ANW at the 10 PM hour in ratings (but not in physical numbers) These are comparing demos for the summer and not last night. But we DO know the Univision numbers last night and we know they beat ANW at 10PM tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/08/23/univision-continues-strong-summer-as-1-network-among-18-34/101180/
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Post by Badalight on Aug 23, 2011 16:11:35 GMT -5
Well if you see it in the context of which it's meant to be .. this is a test. A test for future ANW on network TV. So if they can't get the ratings they won't get the sponsors. It's just as simple as that. For the amount of money NBC put into this and they got 4th who knows. We know ANW is not going anywhere. It's whether it's going to be on NBC in last place or G4 in first (in their network alone obviously). It's a money issue. For M9's perspective it's whether being last in the USA or last in Japan.. where do they think their money is best invested in? That is the whole purpose of dissecting ratings in the first place. It's hard to get a following for a show that is only shown twice a year. My guess is that they'll try it on NBC again. There are a few articles saying it did pretty well, and was the highest rated thing on nbc in 7 weeks or something like that. Plus, it's only shown twice a year, it's not a series or anything. It can easily be used for filler. My worry is, will ANW4 be invite only? That's the rumor... they only took 18 walk ins on day 2 after-all :/
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Post by arsenette on Aug 23, 2011 16:17:33 GMT -5
I expect ANW to be a closed auditions since logistically it's been getting worse to organize every year with the influx of people trying to get on the show.
NBC has been sucking so any "good" news they will cling to but ultimately it will be whoever ponies up the cash to pay for the ANW course/boot will determine what happens. If K-swiss walks it will be interesting. We'll see what happens.
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Post by jfeathe on Aug 23, 2011 16:20:47 GMT -5
Shows like AGT and Hell's Kitchen are established and can always be expected to get good ratings.
IMO, it was an enormous rick putting a virtually unknown show on network tv during primetime against hugely popular shows.
For a niche special to do that well is very impressive. It didn't win the night and certainly didn't break any records, but it could have just as easily done dismally in the ratings.
If next year's entire ANW managed to make it on NBC, I could see it being one of the top shows.
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Post by ansem120 on Aug 23, 2011 16:29:04 GMT -5
ANW is not going anywhere folks just depends on where it goes. Depends if K-Swiss stays on (remember this is the 3rd major sponsor since ANW started..) and what sponsors they might have actually gained. We'll find out when the new ANW is officially announced and the names of the sponsors are revealed. That's a good point, that didn't even cross my mind. As much as I would like to think viewers don't watch for the prize potential, I know it's a factor. Also, jfeathe, great post, took the words right out of my mouth.
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Post by arsenette on Aug 23, 2011 16:31:58 GMT -5
IMO on the whole ratings issue positive and negative. NBC has to sit down and understand why they lost because clearly they did. They have to pull the positive and the negative and restructure their show to be able to compete with the big boys. They want to go up against Wipeout from here on out. I'm sure they are thinking of bringing the prelims and/or boot to go up against Wipeout as well but they couldn't maintain the numbers. Why? That's something that they have to figure out in order to survive. just like we are pouring over the data I'm sure they are doing the same.
On the other side of the world they have a month to make it happen in Japan. If they fail this it's just about over for Sasuke as well. A loooooot of discussion is going on across the pond as to what to do. We know ANW is staying.. it's just whether it's going to be tied to Sasuke and if it's going to be on NBC or G4... and who's going to sponsor it. Lots of questions right now.
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Post by lostinube on Aug 23, 2011 18:56:21 GMT -5
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Post by Apexe on Aug 23, 2011 20:48:03 GMT -5
If NBC/G4/Comcast was smart, they'd have the American Ninja Warrior Finals on February 5th, 2012 on NBC as the leadout program of the Super Bowl The next Super Bowl is on NBC, so it's a perfect chance. It's just a thought I got...idk en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl
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Post by jfeathe on Aug 23, 2011 21:04:57 GMT -5
That's an interesting idea. If NBC would show G4's Sasuke 27, it quite possibly could do just as well or better if properly advertised (they would HAVE to relate it to ANW). I just don't see Japan's broadcast going over very well.
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Post by arsenette on Aug 23, 2011 21:15:29 GMT -5
Thanks a bunch Ube. I was waiting for those numbers all day. Looking at the numbers.. Ube you were 100% correct.. once Football was just about over the audience went to WWE at 10pm which actually beat ANW as well (Football first half and WWE 2nd half) on top of the network numbers. So overall.. ANW was what.. 5th? I lost track. Agreed TBS has to be a part of ANW to make it more successful but at the same token.. TBS has to step it up or Sasuke is going to suffer and ultimately drag BOTH down. We'll see what happens in the next month leading up to Sasuke on TBS. If NBC/G4/Comcast was smart, they'd have the American Ninja Warrior Finals on February 5th, 2012 on NBC as the leadout program of the Super Bowl The next Super Bowl is on NBC, so it's a perfect chance. It's just a thought I got...idk en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_BowlDo you have any idea how expensive that time slot will be (meaning how much they can sell commercials for and in turn sponsors will want to spend money on that slot provided the programming fits)? They'd want something that has a proven trackrecord to pull ratings and advertising revenue.. why would they risk it on something as niche as ANW? Think about it .. it doesn't make sense.
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Post by Apexe on Aug 23, 2011 21:28:09 GMT -5
Lol. I guess I don't know much about how things work.
I was just about to edit this in to my post, btw:
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Post by lostinube on Aug 23, 2011 22:05:21 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Super_Bowl_lead-out_programsThe article states that recently the channels have opted for more proven programming. Plus, if you showed the whole tournament you'd be following up something like 12 hours of football coverage (pre-game, game, post-game) with a two or three hour program (which can't be done anyway since local affiliates traditionally have their news programs at 10).
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Post by sentinel on Aug 24, 2011 0:42:53 GMT -5
arsenette I don't know why you're trying so hard to hide your hatred and death wishes for ANW behind this guise of intellectualism by parsing these ratings and arguing against any article or point made to why they're decent numbers... because it's transparent and boring as hell.
*edit - I re-read that and it came across a lot harsher than I intended. I wouldn't even have known about this forum without you, and I recognize you do quite a bit for the online community of Sasuke. But I just always get the impression that your hatred for the Americanization of Sasuke always gets in the way of you admitting anything was done even partially right or well.
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Post by arsenette on Aug 24, 2011 0:44:44 GMT -5
arsenette I don't know why you're trying so hard to hide your hatred and death wishes for ANW behind this guise of intellectualism by parsing these ratings and arguing against any article or point made to why they're decent numbers... because it's transparent and boring as hell. Feel free to ignore me then. I didn't make up these numbers sweetie. I actually studied this in college so sorry if you thing this is high fallooting mumbo jumbo.
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