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Post by wrestlingfan55 on Aug 9, 2011 16:09:25 GMT -5
Discuss about people who you think are on a slump and tell us how you think they'll do in 27.
I think both Taijima and Nagano are on slumps and I think they'll both fail the first stage again.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Aug 9, 2011 16:14:34 GMT -5
Mr. Octopus has failed the 1st Stage a few times now if my memory serves me. He's gotta pick it up.
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Post by RobbyMac on Aug 9, 2011 16:33:51 GMT -5
Though Kanno passed stage 1 in 25.... He has yet to live up to his runs from 22 and 23 since then.... I'll consider it a slump.
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Post by yamfriend on Aug 9, 2011 17:02:34 GMT -5
Nagano - failed Stage 1 in 22, 24, 25, and 26; unprecedented inconsistency for him Tajima - failed Stage 1 in 25 and 26 Yamamoto - in the past 9 tournaments, he's only cleared Stage 1 twice and Stage 2 once Kanno - Robby's post pretty much explained this one and of course... Mr. SASUKE - yeah...Mr. Octopus has failed the 1st Stage a few times now if my memory serves me. He's gotta pick it up. He's not in a slump, he's just gotten a ton of very unlucky breaks. Hopefully he cleared this time!
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Post by Badalight on Aug 9, 2011 17:14:47 GMT -5
not gonna lie... yuuji
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Post by ES-13 on Aug 9, 2011 17:26:04 GMT -5
Why no one has even spoken of Akiyama astounds me to no end.
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Post by RobbyMac on Aug 9, 2011 17:55:15 GMT -5
Why no one has even spoken of Akiyama astounds me to no end. Cuz I don't consider it a slump, I consider it an inability to pass stage 1... also Heard he wasn't there at 27. *shrugs*
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Post by TCM on Aug 9, 2011 18:18:34 GMT -5
21 -- 1st Stage 22 -- Final Stage 23 -- 2nd Stage 24 -- Kanzenseiha 25 -- 2nd Stage 26 -- 1st Stage Once is a fluke, twice is a coincidence. He's only been around for 6 tournaments. Even Nagano flubbed it a couple times after his win.
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Post by Badalight on Aug 9, 2011 20:28:42 GMT -5
21 -- 1st Stage 22 -- Final Stage 23 -- 2nd Stage 24 -- Kanzenseiha 25 -- 2nd Stage 26 -- 1st Stage Once is a fluke, twice is a coincidence. He's only been around for 6 tournaments. Even Nagano flubbed it a couple times after his win. I didn't question his record, but he definitely under-preformed the last 2 tournaments. The pressure is really getting to him. That's a slump if you ask me, though it's only 2 tournaments.
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Post by bigblind168 on Aug 9, 2011 20:34:34 GMT -5
21 -- 1st Stage 22 -- Final Stage 23 -- 2nd Stage 24 -- Kanzenseiha 25 -- 2nd Stage 26 -- 1st Stage Once is a fluke, twice is a coincidence. He's only been around for 6 tournaments. Even Nagano flubbed it a couple times after his win. I didn't question his record, but he definitely under-preformed the last 2 tournaments. The pressure is really getting to him. That's a slump if you ask me, though it's only 2 tournaments. If he goes out in stange one in 27 and 28 then u can call it a slump
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Post by sentinel on Aug 10, 2011 1:48:52 GMT -5
To the guy who mentioned Mr. Ninja Warrior, Katsumi Yamada - I don't really consider him being in a slump. I think it's more that he was prematurely grouped in with the All-Stars and/or was never that great to begin with.
Dude has only made it to the third stage four times, and all of those were in Sasuke 10 or earlier, when it was much arguably a lot easier than it has been for awhile.
Basically I wouldn't call it a "slump" because I think that words implies under-performing to some extent, and I don't think hes performing that much (if at all) below his potential.
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Post by dudesky1000 on Aug 10, 2011 2:27:04 GMT -5
To the guy who mentioned Mr. Ninja Warrior, Katsumi Yamada - I don't really consider him being in a slump. I think it's more that he was prematurely grouped in with the All-Stars and/or was never that great to begin with. Dude has only made it to the third stage four times, and all of those were in Sasuke 10 or earlier, when it was much arguably a lot easier than it has been for awhile. Basically I wouldn't call it a "slump" because I think that words implies under-performing to some extent, and I don't think hes performing that much (if at all) below his potential. Woah now. I for one (and probably many others here) think that in Yamada's case, it may be more than a slump, but in the end, he is definitely under-performing. He's proven that he is capable of beating the individual obstacles. He has the Warped Wall in his back yard and can do it in his sleep. But Katsumi has had so many tough losses, more than anybody else I believe, especially when the pressure was all on him. Whether he was the last man standing, or the All-Star who everyone relied on to win it all next, he had a lot of weight on his shoulders ever since Akiyama's win in SASUKE 4. In SASUKE 6, he was expected to make it back to the final stage, but on the Pipe Slider he had what is arguably the (literally) hardest fall in Sasuke history. If that weren't mentally scarring enough, partially from the embarrassment, and also from the pressure, he went on to have two early failures, resulting in his first "retirement" because he didn't want to go on anymore as Mr. Sasuke, when he was really turning out to be Mr. Empty Promises. It's worth noting that his WW failure in 8 was really a mental block he couldn't overcome when the timer was on. But when the clock stopped, he flew up it like it was nothing. He managed to have success in the 9th tournament by clearing the first stage, but then (again) fell victim to a mental error when he timed out because of the "tape incident" Finally, when he made it back to the Pipe Slider in SASUKE 10 he was expected to conquer his own demons and the final tower... but he'd yet again suffer from a haunting failure on the final pad. As fate would have it, he would go on to utter the most famous quote in the show's history. In 11 and 12 he also lost from simple mental errors. His Balance Tank fail in 11 was unexpected and also notably painful, and the "glove disqualification" in 12 was really a testament to his mind not being on the course with his body. Granted, he was allowed a redo, but he then suffered an even more gruesome loss as he literally timed out by a fraction of a second when he hit the button late. At this point Yamada probably figured that the gods were not happy with him, and he must be doomed to never fulfill his dream. This was really apparent in the result of his extremely rare 3rd chance in this tournament, as he conceded when he reached the brick climb. Honestly, if I were him I'd be mentally scarred for life. Keep in mind that this is a man who has almost nothing else for him- this is his life. He trains non-stop for it, and although he is considerably older than the competitive contenders on today's SASUKE, he is also physically bigger and is still amazingly fit. He can still pwn his own obstacles in his backyard, and has shown at times that he does have the potential to beat the first stage again- if not for (literally) hitting the wall every tournament he reaches the Warped Wall. If he can get past his mental demons there's no doubt he could physically pass the first, maybe even second stage. Heck, in 26 he got furthest of the All-Stars in that tournament and further than 3 of the 5 Shin-Sedai. He even beat the dreaded Rolling Escargot! If you want to talk about untapped potential- there's no denying that of anyone in SASUKE history... Yamada has been performing below his true potential for almost 8 years more than anyone else. ...Wow that was a long post! I guess that's what 3:26 AM will do to you- make you write long posts defending Yamada!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2011 8:21:48 GMT -5
^I agree. Yamada's problems are mental. He psyches himself out. And I know from experience in martial arts tournaments that it can be hard not to do that. Physically, Yamada can do the obstacles. If he can clear the first stage, I really think he can get deep into the third stage. I think Yamada has gotten discouraged and he lets his past failures psyche him out. There's pressure, too. He's Mr. Sasuke. I never realized how much pressure can affect someone until my last martial arts tournament. There are usually a lot of students from our dojo in both the kids' division and the adult division, and most of them do very well. This time, though, I was the only student from our dojo competing in the adult division. When I realized that, I began feeling a lot of pressure. I ended up not doing very well. Pressure really can affect performance. Yamada is Mr. Sasuke and he's the oldest of the All-Stars and he the one who's been involved with M9 the longest. That puts pressure on him. I really want to see him do well in Sasuke 27. I hope there is a Sasuke 28 and that he does really well in that, too.
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Post by bigblind168 on Aug 10, 2011 10:25:33 GMT -5
Pretty much what the other two just said. Yamada is the definition of untapped potential (without a physical disability, ofcourse, See: Kazuhiko Akiyama). If you watch his fluff pieces, it's astonashing what he can do. And it's not that he's not built for stage 1 to the point where it kills him (yes it's ture he's built towards stages 3 and 2), But his issue is mental. I hve no doubt in my mind, if you give yamada a clear conscience he goes deep into stage 3, possibly passed the UCH.
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Post by TCM on Aug 10, 2011 10:30:33 GMT -5
The fact that he seems to have some sort of ankle problem every other tournament doesn't help either. I saw him wincing a bit after clearing the RE.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2011 11:51:53 GMT -5
^I've wondered about that, too, but it may not really be an actual injury. I don't mean that he's faking it, though. Sometimes when I'm jogging or running, I land just right and feel a little pain in my ankle, kind of a twinge. It doesn't last long, anywhere from a few seconds to about a minute. It's not an injury, but it's enough to make me stop for a few seconds. But I'm not on a timed course, I can stop for a few seconds. I wonder if that's what's happening to Yamada. He lands just right and gets a twinge in his ankle. Not enough to really hurt him, but enough to slow him down.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2011 12:32:13 GMT -5
All Japanese competitors.
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Post by UnrealCanine on Aug 10, 2011 13:35:11 GMT -5
All Japanese competitors. Okuyama seems to be consistant
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Post by jp554731 on Aug 10, 2011 15:02:02 GMT -5
yea Okuyama is not included in the "all japanese competitors statements" pretty good track record if you ask me. 22 shin cliffhanger 23 spider flip 24 rope climb 25 UCH 26 UCH
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Post by wrestlingfan55 on Aug 10, 2011 16:24:37 GMT -5
All Japanese competitors. I don't think Hashimoto and Okuyama are on slumps. Hashimoto had an unfortunate fail but he still passed stage 1.
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