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Post by SRW on Aug 9, 2011 6:27:14 GMT -5
Stop sending so many Americans 3 was enough! And lose the whole VS themes and get it back to everyone no matter their age nationality group etc vs the course.
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Post by thatoneuser on Aug 9, 2011 11:35:39 GMT -5
Personally, I wouldn't mind a SASUKE spin-off with 100 celebrity competitors. EXACTLY THIS. The general Japanese public doesn't care about tradition of the course. They want to see their favorite celebrities or comedians. This is also why Kunoichi 8 has had more success than recent Sasuke's: three hours of underdressed women being physical? Of course people will watch it. (Whereas, to an American minor, less so interesting.) Ask everyone who watched Kunoichi 8 and tell me how many were upset that they introduced a 1v1v1v1 First Stage; you'll get a low number. Sorry about tangenting into Kunoichi, but I think that's a beautiful example of why Sasuke isn't successful. On the outside it's not interesting to a typical Japanese viewer. Sasuke 25 had all kinds of random odd job people and that didn't stimulate the audience. Sasuke 8 had Kane Kosugi the Mega Action Star as a headliner and it raked in one quarter of Japan. Without Naoto, Sasuke 26 would've got a 4%. Us fanboys (and fangirls) will always complain about how Sasuke needs to be changed to appeal to us, as we have with the whole Americans-have-first-priority argument. (By the way, I'm glad we can generally agree on this topic.) But we make up a VERY small fraction of the viewership - heck, us international viewers who tune in to streams make up exactly zero. Stick celebrities and comedians who can entertain the casual Japanese viewer for a few hours and you have a whole new ball game. Side note - would it be beneficial to air the First Stage and the rest separately? That way, the viewers could be enticed to two hours of comedians losing in the first three obstacles and then have an appeal to see the rest of the course... It's a thought...
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Post by RiderLeangle on Aug 9, 2011 12:03:12 GMT -5
This is also why Kunoichi 8 has had more success than recent Sasuke's Let me just stop you right there... You do realize Kunoichi 8 bombed right?... If not for Sasuke 25's ratings, Kunoichi 8 would be the lowest rated tournament... Where are you getting the idea it "did better" On the other hand, this actually seems like a good solution to keep the casual viewers happy, How about have around 30-40 spots set aside for the Sasuke Stars (All Stars, Shin Sei, Veterans, Foreigners, Trial spots (so it's not a closed show)) and the rest of the field being celebs who will bring in viewers (I mean try to get bigger celebs, Like people who have a demographic that can count past their age, I.E more people like Kane or NAOTO and less like Sato or some obscure comedian who hasn't been popular in years)
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Post by TCM on Aug 9, 2011 12:06:14 GMT -5
Without Naoto, Sasuke 26 would've got a 4%.
Half its viewers? Really?
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Post by ES-13 on Aug 9, 2011 12:10:51 GMT -5
Again, I think there is someone in TBS studio headquarters trying to murder the show and I think he's succeeding!
Just a thought.
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Post by The Chief on Aug 9, 2011 12:14:37 GMT -5
Again, I think there is someone in TBS studio headquarters trying to murder the show and I think he's succeeding! Just a thought. My literal reaction: BTW, TCM...you're majhost is about to get hijacked.
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Post by bigblind168 on Aug 9, 2011 12:15:15 GMT -5
Without Naoto, Sasuke 26 would've got a 4%.
Half its viewers? Really? He's right. It would have gotten 4%! if the rating had been around 4.0-4.2%... Which they weren't I still think 3 things. Just advertise your own damn shows. Thats the easy part. That should atleast be a .9-1.5% jump, cuz people will know it exists make the course shorter. People get bored with a 2minute run. Get in celebs. They boost ratings. If TBS.M9 weren't so subborn they might be able to hold on to a 12ish rating. Which for both Sasuke and TBS, aint too shabby
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Post by ES-13 on Aug 9, 2011 12:25:06 GMT -5
Make more creative obstacles! That's why SASUKE 18 got a 17 something rating.
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Post by dudesky1000 on Aug 9, 2011 12:41:03 GMT -5
Make more creative obstacles! That's why SASUKE 18 got a 17 something rating. Are you sure it wasn't the total renewal? And Nagano's victory?
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Post by arsenette on Aug 9, 2011 12:44:49 GMT -5
Make more creative obstacles! That's why SASUKE 18 got a 17 something rating. Are you sure it wasn't the total renewal? And Nagano's victory? You are asking a 13 year old what the Japan demographic was watching at the time he was what.. 8 years old?
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Post by dudesky1000 on Aug 9, 2011 12:48:30 GMT -5
Are you sure it wasn't the total renewal? And Nagano's victory? You are asking a 13 year old what the Japan demographic was watching at the time he was what.. 8 years old? Well I myself have no idea really. By that logic SASUKE 25 would've done well. And I was 12 when 18 was aired ;D
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Post by arsenette on Aug 9, 2011 12:49:49 GMT -5
You are asking a 13 year old what the Japan demographic was watching at the time he was what.. 8 years old? Well I myself have no idea really. By that logic SASUKE 25 would've done well. And I was 12 when 18 was aired ;D I would have hoped that looking at the warning bar and the suspension and reinstate of someone who is guessing would have actually alerted you to the bs level in most of his posts. Guess not.
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Post by ES-13 on Aug 9, 2011 12:58:28 GMT -5
Sorry, but I'm extremely confused on what to do, I may have to sacrifice my view of SASUKE. BTW, was SASUKE 18 advertised well? Cause why did 25 get bad ratings while 18 got great ratings? Cause from my point of view, and from you've said previously on your blog Arsenette, if 25 had been advertised better, it would have gotten better ratings, and also, I was ten when 18 aired.
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Post by arsenette on Aug 9, 2011 13:01:37 GMT -5
Sorry, but I'm extremely confused on what to do, I may have to sacrifice my view of SASUKE. BTW, was SASUKE 18 advertised well? Cause why did 25 get bad ratings while 18 got great ratings? Cause from my point of view, and from you've said previously on your blog Arsenette, if 25 had been advertised better, it would have gotten better ratings, and also, I was ten when 18 aired. You constantly argue with Ube who was a) in Japan when it happened and b) have been studying this actively and has a bit more credence when it comes to this. So when I hear you speak as if you know wtf you are talking about I can't help but about it since you take over threads with whatever bs you think is right. If you want to know why the hell 25 fail read the whole blog I wrote about and not just one line and universally put that on every single thread. I wish people will stop looking at events in isolation and look at it at little more intelligently.
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Post by UnrealCanine on Aug 9, 2011 13:16:06 GMT -5
Step One, make a teaser trailer. Nothing flashy, a simple "Sasuke 2011". Coming soon. 10 seconds max
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Post by ES-13 on Aug 9, 2011 13:16:53 GMT -5
Just read it, yeah, I totally forgot the other factors. Now that's been done, I don't think SASUKE can be salvaged at all, all hope is lost
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Post by SuperTiger on Aug 9, 2011 13:31:41 GMT -5
Uhh, sorry to diverge from the ways to fix SASUKE, but RC you do realize Kunoichi 8 got a 9.5% IIRC. That's not only the lowest rated Kunoichi ever, but also the lowest rated SASUKE or KUNOICHI broadcast up to that point. (October 2009, a little under three months before 24 aired) It was the only broadcast SASUKE or KUNOICHI to not at least get a 10%. You also asked how many people were upset they introduced the new format. A LOT actually, I obviously can't speak for the Japanese viewer ship, but the consensus HERE was that Kunoichi 8 would have been fine had it not been called Kunoichi. As a Kunoichi tournament it was abysmal. While I can't be 100% sure, you cannot tell me that this new format didn't play a factor in the shows ratings. You don't go and change the format of a show from 100 vs. a course, into a giant race to the finish line. The lowest Kunoichi aside from 8 was Kunoichi 5, which got a 10.4%, and that was due to the short notice of the tournament in addition to lack of advertising. Keep in mind the 8th tournament was a 3.2% ratings drop from Kunoichi 7. I agree that the field of competitors needs to change but don't go using that particular tournament as the solution to fixing SASUKE. A 9.5% for SASUKE isn't going to remedy anything.
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Post by thatoneuser on Aug 9, 2011 13:32:50 GMT -5
This is also why Kunoichi 8 has had more success than recent Sasuke's Let me just stop you right there... You do realize Kunoichi 8 bombed right?... If not for Sasuke 25's ratings, Kunoichi 8 would be the lowest rated tournament... Where are you getting the idea it "did better" I was under the impression that K8 scored a 11-12%, better than 24, 25, and 26. And TCM, I exaggerated 4%. Point is, NAOTO drove in a lot of viewers and without him it would've scored lower than 25 did.
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Post by arsenette on Aug 9, 2011 14:21:53 GMT -5
Let me just stop you right there... You do realize Kunoichi 8 bombed right?... If not for Sasuke 25's ratings, Kunoichi 8 would be the lowest rated tournament... Where are you getting the idea it "did better" I was under the impression that K8 scored a 11-12%, better than 24, 25, and 26.. sasukemaniac.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=k8&action=display&thread=1396
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Post by ES-13 on Aug 9, 2011 15:06:22 GMT -5
I know I'm not in a position to speak, but isn't this thread about what should done to keep SASUKE alive in Japan?
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