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Post by lostinube on Aug 7, 2011 11:07:26 GMT -5
Until SASUKE 27 version.
You want to complain? Complain in here. If that's OK with the mods, that is.
I'm just kind of tired of the news threads getting cluttered.
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Post by arsenette on Aug 7, 2011 11:12:53 GMT -5
The broadcast itself is not the problem.. it's the handling of the marketing within Japan by TBS and M9 that is the core of the issue. It's the business model that exists within both TBS and M9 (each with their own problems mind you and that can take up paragraphs on each) that are controlling what is going on. The fact that it's tied to Comcast now is yet another facet to it. M9 dropping it's concentration of Japan to promote ANW over Sasuke worldwide is a big deal and something to be discussed. We can argue as to exactly what will happen but nothing changes the fact that it's never been done before that a domestic company has deferred it's first air rights to a foreign company. It's a big deal.
What to change. I don't think there is anything that can happen to change other than TBS/M9 giving a damn and reinstating priority in the Japan market. What happens to and with ANW shouldn't matter in the long run but M9 changed that. It's up to them to decide Sasuke in Japan is worth saving rather than putting all their eggs in ANW so they can sell that to international markets in Sasuke's place.
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Post by Philip on Aug 7, 2011 11:37:03 GMT -5
I think there is nothing wrong with SASUKE. Most people complaining about Comcast/NBC/G4 have no right to complain unless they first saw SASUKE on TBS. I appreciate Comcast for introducing SASUKE to other countries, or else 99% of people on this board wouldn't be on here.
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Post by Badalight on Aug 7, 2011 11:48:30 GMT -5
The only way I see this as a good thing, is maybe the involvement from G4 and Comcast is what has made Sasuke go on this long? Maybe they would've cancelled it a few tournaments ago had it not been for them?
But who knows.
Anyway, there are much better ways to keep your show alive, so it's kind of a moot point even if that is the case.
I think I'm in the boat that if Sasuke ends, then Sasuke ends. It's gone all for so long and I wouldn't be surprised it it stopped airing. I'll enjoy each and every tournament for what's its worth and won't countdown on the doomsday clock.
It would be nice if it stayed for at least another 6 tournaments though... so I'd get at least 1 chance at the course after waiting 6 years.
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Post by ES-13 on Aug 7, 2011 17:36:34 GMT -5
10 tournaments for me and advertising IS the probelm.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2011 17:38:07 GMT -5
Sasuke will end on a tournament. That tournament that it will end is irrelevant to the attention puts into ANW. The reason why Sasuke is ending is because of the genre, not Sasuke itself.
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Post by Ghan on Aug 7, 2011 18:13:17 GMT -5
Sasuke will end on a tournament. That tournament that it will end is irrelevant to the attention puts into ANW. The reason why Sasuke is ending is because of the genre, not Sasuke itself. I agree. Japan's interest in obstacle shows is fading. More marketing would help Sasuke without a doubt but it's not gonna save the show if people don't want to watch it.
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Post by lostinube on Aug 7, 2011 19:58:31 GMT -5
Here's an idea that will probably not go over well with the forum at large but would probably give the show a slight bump:
20 All-Stars/Shin-Stars/Regulars/Americans/Open + 80 Entertainers/Comedians/Pro Athletes + Easier First and Second Stages
I toyed with the idea of just 100 famous people but I think the All-Stars have enough of a cache within the show itself. 10/90 might not be a bad idea either.
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Post by TCM on Aug 7, 2011 20:25:16 GMT -5
Since ANW is guaranteed 10 people, unless they get reduced slots (never happening), maybe 30/70 at least? Chances are G4 will try their hardest to get an ANW unless M9/TBS pulls a 24/25 gap.
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Post by Badalight on Aug 7, 2011 20:26:49 GMT -5
Here's an idea that will probably not go over well with the forum at large but would probably give the show a slight bump: 20 All-Stars/Shin-Stars/Regulars/Americans/Open + 80 Entertainers/Comedians/Pro Athletes + Easier First and Second Stages I toyed with the idea of just 100 famous people but I think the All-Stars have enough of a cache within the show itself. 10/90 might not be a bad idea either. 10 is definitely cutting it a little short. 20 isn't too bad... we don't need 10 americans, maybe our 3 best Like Levi and David and Brian. The 4ish all-stars that'll probably be there, lee, Okuyama, some Sasuke trials people, octopus, muscle musical. They could probably fit in 20. I'd prefer 25 or 30 personally but yeah.
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Post by SuperTiger on Aug 7, 2011 20:41:45 GMT -5
Here's an idea that will probably not go over well with the forum at large but would probably give the show a slight bump: 20 All-Stars/Shin-Stars/Regulars/Americans/Open + 80 Entertainers/Comedians/Pro Athletes + Easier First and Second Stages I toyed with the idea of just 100 famous people but I think the All-Stars have enough of a cache within the show itself. 10/90 might not be a bad idea either. While I am one of those people who likes seeing the course get harder, I get this, mainly because I feel like a course laid out like SASUKE 13-17 is the difficulty we'd be looking for, at least for Stage 1 and 2. As for the competitors, I'd say 25/75 is the best combination.
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Post by Badalight on Aug 7, 2011 20:51:18 GMT -5
Yeah. I wasn't a fan of how hard stage 1 was in Shin-Sasuke, though i did like the addition of the salmon ladder to stage 2, since it always seemed like the stage without an identity.
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Post by lostinube on Aug 7, 2011 21:27:35 GMT -5
Cachet, by the way, not cache.
If the All-Stars "graduate"@to celeb status, they can be part of the larger group, opening up the smaller group for new faces.
If the fan club were to ever get off the ground, they would be making that transition.
The All-Stars are similar to Olympic athletes: we see them only during certain times of the year, if at all. Unless they do something that transcends their sport (Phelps for Americans, Kitajima in Japan) their time in the spotlight is limited and the public will just move on. That's why Kane Kosugi helped when he was around. They could use him as a focus either on the shows or in their marketing.
It really looked like they were trying to do that with Daisuke Miyazaki but him going to Europe and Japan not making it into the Beijing Olympics for handball hurt his momentum.
It makes for a good story that Nagano is "just" a fisherman but if he were a true celeb who did the talent circuit and whatnot it would do a lot for the show. Yamada tries to do that but he is known more for his failure these days than his success so it doesn't ring as true as if Nagano were the one going around and palling up with monkeys and Hiromichi Sato, their importance to me in that order.
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Post by Badalight on Aug 7, 2011 22:06:25 GMT -5
Plus, the big names usually don't make it very far. Minus Kane and to an extent Miyazaki. Naoto should've made it to stage 2. I always liked the 4-17 era's stage 1 better, where anyone could clear.
It would help to make stage 1 easier, I think.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2011 23:31:59 GMT -5
Absolutely Stage 1 needs to be easier, and shorter. The obstacles per second has increased dramatically, and has, imo made stage 1 more stale. In addition, TBS/M9 will spend money for celebs to come, only to have them be on for like... a minute tops. It's lame that we KNOW most celebrities wont pass stage 1, unlike before, where we were always surprised.
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Post by lostinube on Aug 8, 2011 0:06:15 GMT -5
Actually, lower level comedians and talentos are sometimes sent en masse to SASUKE. They are not always pay-per-play. I've read that people who are breaking in sometimes don't get paid at all - they just offer themselves up in hopes of building their brand name.
With the bigger names they may cost a bit more but M9 has rarely used big names for SASUKE - they always saved that for Pro Sportsman.
Regardless of how long they are on, a celeb makes up for it by bringing in their fan base. The best example is the comedy duo License who were barely on but have a big enough following that news of their appearance was blogged and reblogged about repeatedly by their fans.
Actually, SASUKE has missed the comedy zeitgeist twice because they had Hard Gay and Sekai Abe Natsu on just before the exploded in Japan and were everywhere.
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Post by Badalight on Aug 8, 2011 0:27:48 GMT -5
Actually, lower level comedians and talentos are sometimes sent en masse to SASUKE. They are not always pay-per-play. I've read that people who are breaking in sometimes don't get paid at all - they just offer themselves up in hopes of building their brand name. With the bigger names they may cost a bit more but M9 has rarely used big names for SASUKE - they always saved that for Pro Sportsman. Regardless of how long they are on, a celeb makes up for it by bringing in their fan base. The best example is the comedy duo License who were barely on but have a big enough following that news of their appearance was blogged and reblogged about repeatedly by their fans. Actually, SASUKE has missed the comedy zeitgeist twice because they had Hard Gay and Sekai Abe Natsu on just before the exploded in Japan and were everywhere. What about Audrey? Seems like after Sasuke he became really big. (Not due to him being on Sasuke of course)
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Post by lostinube on Aug 8, 2011 1:57:37 GMT -5
You are right that Audrey (which is a comedy duo, not just the guy in the sweater vest) got big around the time of SASUKE but I never got the feeling that they became the huge ubiquitous figures that Hard Gay and Sekai Abe Natsu were for a short time.
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Post by bigblind168 on Aug 8, 2011 9:50:26 GMT -5
I don't think necessarily making the course easier, but shorter. I think you can get away with a shin-sasuke esk stage 1 of: Step slider Rolling Escargot A bridge obstacle (hell even the Yureru Hashi)/17's circle slider Jumping Spider Warped wall Tarzan Rope ---> Rope Climb
First off, as much as I love Sasuke, i can only stand X amount of 120second runs for so long. With the course i just posted, you can probably get away with a 90second time limit.
Also, I do like what Ube said. But i would probably make it 25/75. Assuming everyone shows- All-stars: 6 Shin Sedai- 8? (includes lee, kongu, okuyama) "anti-allstars": 3 MM/regulars- 6 STQ: 6 (just 6 trials guys) Americans: 5 (Only if you got to stage 3)
so thats 34. Now granted not all the all stars will show, I counted Nakata as a regular, Iketani may be a no-show. You can lower the amount of STQers and MM members ect...
so ideally that leaves 76 spots for athletes, entertainers, comedians ect... which wouldn't be too bad.
Realistically the split would be about 30/70. Giving you 30 people with legit chances to clear stage 1, along with some entertainers who could clear stage 1. I wouldn't mind seeing that
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Post by scnoi1217 on Aug 8, 2011 10:24:46 GMT -5
Wasn't SASUKE 24 one of the most comedian/celebrity heavy tournaments we've had? Looking at the competitor list, the first 50 are filled with comedians/pro athletes/celebrities, so much so that only Wakky and Kawaguchi Tomohiro cleared the Jumping Spider in the first half of Stage 1. sasukepedia.wikia.com/wiki/SASUKE_24Personally, I wouldn't mind a SASUKE spin-off with 100 celebrity competitors. As for SASUKE itself, as long as 10+ people are clearing the First Stage in each tournament, I think it is alright. I wouldn't mind though a first stage like we had in 23/24, heck even 25, where competitors could zip through the stage and still have a bunch of time left on the clock.
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