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Post by yamfriend on May 7, 2011 22:44:53 GMT -5
I know this has been discussed somewhere before, but what does anyone think "Kanzen Renewal" is intended on a primary focus on "renewing" Stage 1 after each new tournament? In other words, do you think the First Stage will keep being drastically changed after each tournament in order to mix things up more and add to the unpredictability and drama (and hopefully ratings!) to the show? At the same time, does anyone else believe that as a result the other stages will have few to no changes over the rest of this era? Another idea regarding Stage 1's setup in this era is that perhaps they might go in cycles for tournaments on what the layout will be like. For example, maybe some tournaments will have courses like 25, some like 26, and continue shuffling through them randomly. I'd really like to hear people's thoughts on both of these things, as well as how you'd like Stage 1 and/or the course in general to be for Sasuke 27. Here's my hopes for it: Stage 1Time Limit: about 100 seconds 1.) Step Slider 2.) Sandan Rolling Maruta 3.) Cross Bridge 4.) Jump Hang (13 version) 5.) Halfpipe Attack 6.) Soritatsu Kabe 7.) Circle Slider Jump8.) Tarzan Rope + 9.) Rope Climb (3-17 version)
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Post by TCM on May 7, 2011 22:53:48 GMT -5
To me, Kanzen Renewal was just a fancy, more marketable way of stating "Changing of the guard" from the All-Stars to the Shin Sei, yet the All-Stars still get the more significant screen time and Yuuji was the only one who got a full run (95% because he's the champion and 5% because of the constant near wipeouts). He didn't even get dramatic music after he fell. In addition, the transition from 4 to 5 proves they will do little to the 1st stage as long as one or two good obstacles come in.
That said, I think the change from 25-26 simply was to put final touches on ideas they had and to give some obstacles one last hurrah. The 2nd and 3rd stages have reached a point where there doesn't need to be much change because all of the obstacles are capable of taking out someone suddenly. I may be mistaken but in 25-26 combined all except the Wall Lifting took someone out in the 2nd Stage. Of course thanks to UCH, Sasuke may end before seeing the Final Stage attempted (it'll take some 2nd wind to conquer the UCH and have enough stamina to get pass the last half of the stage). As for a Stage 1 mockup, I'd just lower the JS and put the net for the Giant Swing further back a tad.
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Post by cole77000 on May 8, 2011 9:22:16 GMT -5
I think that the 25 stage 1 setup was just a 1 time thing. Peronally, I liked some of the obstacles better than the ones in 26 such as the circle slider, but I think that the 25 setup was meant to just be there one time. I don't see much of the second stage changing because I think it is near perfect and the third stage prbably won't change much except for maybe the second obstacle and I wouldn't be suprised if they made the UCH slightly easier again
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Post by kekerules on May 8, 2011 13:49:42 GMT -5
I like the idea of stage one having a cycle of different obstacles so nobody can get too familiar with the course. It's nice when an old obstacle makes a cameo. So whereas I think the course will be the same, I'd like to see:
1) Step Slider using the first 8 of the Duodectuple Step steps 2) Butterfly Wall 3) Rolling Escargot 4) Jumping Spider but with a shorter spider walk that halfway across turns into the unused stage 2 obstacle Sky Walk because, meh why not, shaking things up. 5) Halfpipe Attack 6) Warped Wall 7) Flying Chute 8) Replace tarzan rope with Giant Swing and make the Giant Swing go straight into the Rope Ladder.
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Post by scnoi1217 on May 8, 2011 17:28:51 GMT -5
I think 25's first stage was set up the way it was so that they could get enough competitors into the Third Stage which is where the real change was. Now that people have had experience on those obstacles, they switched it back to more like something they wanted to do (SASUKE 26's First Stage).
With that said, for SASUKE 27 it kinda depends on a lot of things. If 27 really is the last SASUKE, then they are going to want to make the course a bit easier so that the elite competitors make it through, similar to a SASUKE 23 First Stage. That means either a less steep version of the Rolling Escargot or removing it altogether and bringing back the Log Grip, a lower Jumping Spider (like 23 or 24), and a more lenient time limit.
I'm thinking something like: 1. Step Slider (or bringing back the Rokudantobi) 2. New obstacle but similar to the Hazard Swing where you can either risk a big jump to save time or play it safe 3. Easier Rolling Escargot (or bringing back the Log Grip) 4. Easier Jumping Spider than 26 (more like 23/24 height) 5. HPA 6. WW 7. Giant Swing (as is, if it the last SASUKE) 8/9. Tarzan Rope/Rope Ladder
With Stage 2 and 3 staying exactly the same. That way you get enough people into the Third Stage and hopefully someone beats the Ultimate Cliffhanger.
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Post by yamfriend on May 9, 2011 17:32:03 GMT -5
I like the idea of stage one having a cycle of different obstacles so nobody can get too familiar with the course. It's nice when an old obstacle makes a cameo. That's another reason why they'd want to do that: nostalgia. If Sasuke's going to end, they might as well want to bring together competitors, obstacles, and relived memories from each and every tournament. That would be pretty cool IMO, even if it's probably based more on wishes than the reality of things. Also, in case Sasuke was to live on by some miracle, perhaps they'd want to do this in order to mix up results more drastically than ever before. They'd probably see a wider variety of competitors clearing at least Stage 1, allowing us to enjoy more variety and possibly even give renewed appeal to the show's popularity and the Japanese viewers in the process. And, maybe M9 is trying to figure out who the best competitors are in terms of adjusting to new obstacles (i.e. who's better all-around than just on the obstacles and setups they've been familiar with). I'm probably looking WAY too deep into this, but I guess it's something to consider.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 21:27:56 GMT -5
In Sasuke 18, the competitors focused on renewing the first stage, but neglected totally revamping the 3rd stage.
So...
In Sasuke 25, they decided it would be wiser to revamp the 3rd stage first, and than revamp the first stage in Sasuke 26.
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Post by RiderLeangle on May 9, 2011 21:33:57 GMT -5
In Sasuke 18, the competitors focused on renewing the first stage, but neglected totally revamping the 3rd stage. So... In Sasuke 25, they decided it would be wiser to revamp the 3rd stage first, and than revamp the first stage in Sasuke 26. Does this mean if Sasuke survives through another Kanzenseiha, Stage 2 is going to be an a*****e?
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Post by cole77000 on May 9, 2011 21:52:12 GMT -5
In Sasuke 18, the competitors focused on renewing the first stage, but neglected totally revamping the 3rd stage. So... In Sasuke 25, they decided it would be wiser to revamp the 3rd stage first, and than revamp the first stage in Sasuke 26. Does this mean if Sasuke survives through another Kanzenseiha Stage 2 is going to be an a*****e? ... what? You mean difficult? lol
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 21:55:47 GMT -5
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Post by RiderLeangle on May 9, 2011 22:02:34 GMT -5
No... I mean Stage 2 is going to insult you and the obstacles are going to flip you the middle finger... Of course I meant difficult, What else could I mean... XD
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Post by ES-13 on Jun 11, 2011 22:07:57 GMT -5
The only change I think would be good is replacing the Hazard Swing with an obstacle that I like to call the Ancient Tree, its similar to the Log Grip that SRW came up with but without the trampoline, as well as putting the Giant Swing net farther away from the bar. Stage 2 would get an obstacle that I call the Shadow Slider, basically a larger version of the Curtain Slider replacing the Slider Drop, and the Unstable Bridge's second board placed to the right. The changed time limits would be 135 seconds for the first stage and 90 for the second stage. Third Stage remains the same, though I did consider putting in a descending version of the Body Prop to replace the Cycling Road, I then thought no.
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Post by wipeoutstar on Jun 19, 2011 12:16:56 GMT -5
What About This: Dome Steps Rolling Escargot Spinning Log (You Know from 1+2) Jump Hang (13 Version) Half-pipe Attack Great Wall Giant Swing Log Drop + Rope Ladder (So You Start From The Bottom)
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