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Post by RiderLeangle on May 9, 2011 0:26:07 GMT -5
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Post by arsenette on May 9, 2011 0:47:49 GMT -5
But TBS makes money off of Ninja Warrior... so it's doing something. We can argue what TBS does with the money. Neither of us really know. But TBS is making money off of Ninja Warrior. I think the entire point of your argument states from the undying belief that somehow, someway, miraculously G4 will save Sasuke in Japan. If that were the case I wouldn't be freaking out and would actually applaud G4's effort. But sadly no matter how much you can WISH for something to happen it does not change the fact that history is against you. TBS is just like any other money making organization. In order to survive in it's environment it has to adapt. Sasuke is not working so they are finding other venues for it.. and that's giving it to the Americans. Cutting ties and moving on to something else that will save the network is the only way TBS is going to survive. Besides.. TBS has bigger issues.. Sasuke only shows twice a year in Japan.. they have 365 days of programming crap that's weighing the network down.. No amount of foreign money is going to save it. No matter how much you wish for it to happen. Period. So please let's stop going around in circles with this. G4 is not saving Sasuke. TBS has to get up off their a** and make it happen in Japan. So far it seems OBVIOUS that they are putting their eggs in the ANW basket so they can make money off the residuals from it when Sasuke eventually plummets. Surely TBS has done nothing to help it. Even M9 has stopped pumping anything into it.. they'd rather MM survive.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 19:06:11 GMT -5
I don't read your posts because you are just a clone of Arsenette. Why talk to someone who is repeating Arsenette, when I could talk to Arsenette. But TBS makes money off of Ninja Warrior... so it's doing something. We can argue what TBS does with the money. Neither of us really know. But TBS is making money off of Ninja Warrior. I think the entire point of your argument states from the undying belief that somehow, someway, miraculously G4 will save Sasuke in Japan. If that were the case I wouldn't be freaking out and would actually applaud G4's effort. But sadly no matter how much you can WISH for something to happen it does not change the fact that history is against you. TBS is just like any other money making organization. In order to survive in it's environment it has to adapt. Sasuke is not working so they are finding other venues for it.. and that's giving it to the Americans. Cutting ties and moving on to something else that will save the network is the only way TBS is going to survive. Besides.. TBS has bigger issues.. Sasuke only shows twice a year in Japan.. they have 365 days of programming crap that's weighing the network down.. No amount of foreign money is going to save it. No matter how much you wish for it to happen. Period. So please let's stop going around in circles with this. G4 is not saving Sasuke. TBS has to get up off their a** and make it happen in Japan. So far it seems OBVIOUS that they are putting their eggs in the ANW basket so they can make money off the residuals from it when Sasuke eventually plummets. Surely TBS has done nothing to help it. Even M9 has stopped pumping anything into it.. they'd rather MM survive. My point is that TBS makes money off of Ninja Warrior, and it seems to me that it is helping. Never said saving. Never said NBC will save Sasuke. All I said was TBS makes money off of Ninja Warrior, and it seems to me that it is helping. And guess what? TBS makes money. And seeing how Sasuke is still on television to this day, it seems to me that... .... it is helping.
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Post by RiderLeangle on May 9, 2011 19:13:24 GMT -5
I don't read your posts because you are just a clone of Arsenette. Why talk to someone who is repeating Arsenette, when I could talk to Arsenette. Because you don't seem to get it the first time maybe rewording it is enough to get it through to you?...
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 19:16:38 GMT -5
I don't read your posts because you are just a clone of Arsenette. Why talk to someone who is repeating Arsenette, when I could talk to Arsenette. Because you don't seem to get it the first time maybe rewording it is enough to get it through to you?... You guys keep missing my point, and your replies take my point to the extreme. I.E. My point is Ninja Warrior helped Sasuke. For whatever reason, you guys think I said My point is Ninja Warrior saved Sasuke, and it being on NBC will save Sasuke even further. Ube said it himself, TBS makes money off of Ninja Warrior. So it DOES help Sasuke. Now regarding the amount, and weather or not it helped Sasuke, is questionable. But there is a sign that it DID help Sasuke. How? Because anything below a 20% is bad, and a 15% is awful. Sasuke hasn't gotten a 15% since Sasuke 18. Get that through your head. Thank you.
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Post by cole77000 on May 9, 2011 19:25:31 GMT -5
^ That is what I have been trying to say all this time. I understand where everyone is coming at. Will Ninja Warrior save Sasuke? No. Will Ninja Warrior help with TBS to get some profit? Yes Does some extra money help? Yes Is it as much money as the sponsors in Japan would give? Not by a long shot.
My point is, Ninja Warrior being popular here DOES help because it puts more money in TBS' pocket. Arsenette and Rider, I understand where you are coming from. It is unlikely that anything that happens here will save Sasuke. No matter what happens here, there is probably only a .01% chance it will save Sasuke. That being said, although our contribution is insignificant compared to what the sponsors in Japan give, any contribution still helps. Ninja Warrior being popular here will help. It may not help as much as other factors, but it will help.
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Post by arsenette on May 9, 2011 19:34:54 GMT -5
K here's a comparison... Selling a sneaker gives you money but if you didn't sell enough of it to meet your quota your company closes down.. so what is it "helping" exactly?
Back to Sasuke.. it's not "helping" anything. We don't even know if any of the money is even GOING to Sasuke.. so how exactly is this helpful? The core of the issue is Sasuke in Japan.. and no "American money" is helping it from being canceled. That IS the issue here. So changing the terms doesn't change that fact and only makes you sound as if you aren't even listening to the actual argument.
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Post by cole77000 on May 9, 2011 21:16:02 GMT -5
Well to follow up the snaker analogy, if selling the sneaker can be a small stepping stone to whatever goal, it is going to help. I think we have two different ideas about the work "help." I think the difference here is that I say "help" in the terms of that it will help. I think you and Rider are saying that "help" means that it not only helps but siginificantly helps. In this case, in my use of the word, American money helps. In your use of the term, it does not becuase it is insignificant to all that is going on in Japan right now because "The core of the issue is Sasuke in Japan," which is true. I am listening to what you are saying, and I agree. American money will not make any significant impact, thats just a fact. But whether or not it makes an impact or not (however small), I say it does (although it IS very small). It's not like I'm listening. I understand your point and agree. We just seem to have a difference of opinion on what "help" means. At this point, I will agree to disagree, and I want stop this to make this a news thread again.
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Post by arsenette on May 9, 2011 21:18:18 GMT -5
Been trying to do that but it keeps coming up as somehow G4 is going to save Sasuke.. I'm just as tired as you are... this crap keeps coming up every time G4 makes an announcement and this article was no exception. People jumped up and down going zomg we are getting more Sasuke... I couldn't help but friggin' facepalm.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 21:20:51 GMT -5
Well to follow up the snaker analogy, if selling the sneaker can be a small stepping stone to whatever goal, it is going to help. I think we have two different ideas about the work "help." I think the difference here is that I say "help" in the terms of that it will help. I think you and Rider are saying that "help" means that it not only helps but siginificantly helps. In this case, in my use of the word, American money helps. In your use of the term, it does not becuase it is insignificant to all that is going on in Japan right now because "The core of the issue is Sasuke in Japan," which is true. I am listening to what you are saying, and I agree. American money will not make any significant impact, thats just a fact. But whether or not it makes an impact or not (however small), I say it does (although it IS very small). It's not like I'm listening. I understand your point and agree. We just seem to have a difference of opinion on what "help" means. At this point, I will agree to disagree, and I want stop this to make this a news thread again. You are a great human Perfectly worded, I mean damn you hit that on the money.
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Post by cole77000 on May 9, 2011 21:50:39 GMT -5
Hey look AP english actually did something >_>
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Post by arsenette on May 9, 2011 22:38:34 GMT -5
While wonderfully worded you still miss the point. When we are talking about the fate of Sasuke "helpful" using your terms is not going to save it. That is after all the POINT OF THIS DISCUSSION. /sigh. And you wonder why I facepalm so much. No one gives a flying %#$% if it's "helping" by giving them peanuts.. this is not going to help them from catastrophy. TBS has to pick up their game and fix the problem domestically. Is this too much to ask for ya'll to drop the subject? It's really getting annoying.
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Post by cole77000 on May 10, 2011 5:43:30 GMT -5
Well I wanted to drop the subject, but it doesn't seem like I made it clear that I don't think anything that happens here is going to save Sasuke.Anything that happens here is going to help but its not going to help nearly enough to save Sasuke in Japan.
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Post by wolf4537 on May 13, 2011 1:29:57 GMT -5
I hope this benefits the show, but somehow I think this will only Americanize this show even more to the point that they'll try to make ANW the only thing to actually compete in here in the U.S.
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Post by Captain Obvious on May 23, 2011 16:15:28 GMT -5
I hope this benefits the show, but somehow I think this will only Americanize this show even more to the point that they'll try to make ANW the only thing to actually compete in here in the U.S. Yes, well, with Sasuke effectively cancelled, this would be the direction to go with if you want to hold out hope for the show (in whatever form). With Minute to Win It not on the projected Fall 2011 lineup, and that Russian Roulette spin-off they stole from Israel that has no hope of being decent, NBC is going to need a new show to capture the casual feel-good game show viewer. I know a lot of people here would hate any recreation or reimagining of the show produced by NBC, but it's my hope that this stunt at least allows the show to live on in some (hopefully recognizable after Americanization) form.
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Post by supernovamaniac on May 31, 2011 13:11:47 GMT -5
So much rage while I was gone. Surprised that no warnings were given out during these rages. I hope this benefits the show, but somehow I think this will only Americanize this show even more to the point that they'll try to make ANW the only thing to actually compete in here in the U.S. Hit the spot on this one. It only depends on the actions of the viewers. If they watch the show and become addicted, they might start searching around the internet and stumble upon the word 'Sasuke' (or even search the term after looking at an actual event, if it airs on NBC). If people just watch it weekly, then it will only help NBC/G4 earn profits (this is given that TBS/Monster isn't getting money off from this deal; reason why I say this is that TBS sold the rights to G4, with G4 reproducing NW and ANW. THEN G4 sells the rights to these programs worldwide).
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Post by arsenette on Jun 30, 2011 14:29:05 GMT -5
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Post by RobbyMac on Jun 30, 2011 14:42:00 GMT -5
They're really expecting an American to make the final or at least passed the cliffhanger. That's what it looks like at least.
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Post by arsenette on Jun 30, 2011 14:49:30 GMT -5
They're really expecting an American to make the final or at least passed the cliffhanger. That's what it looks like at least. Actually that's not entirely the case? NBC already has their fall lineup set it seems so they are throwing it at the end of the summer lineup which makes sense. They've pretty much got nothing to lose with that timeslot. Am surprised it's as early as it is since "fall" season in television means late September on. LOL It's going to air on my birthday.
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Post by bigblind168 on Jun 30, 2011 14:51:19 GMT -5
So, we can expect... a mid July taping date
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