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Post by m4tt3r0x on Mar 19, 2011 21:48:14 GMT -5
On American Ninja Warrior and the boot camp, he dominated. He was an inspiration to everyone in boot camp with his signs of leadership throughout the challenges. He was in my Top 10 since the beginning, so it was no surprise when he made it to Japan. I know he was looking for redemption after his time out on the 1st Stage in Sasuke 23. Unfortunetly, he ended up timing out AGAIN in Sasuke 26. Except this time, he was only a couple of seconds short. How devestating. After watching Brian Orosco's last second clear in Sasuke 21, I realized that if you have enough adreneline in you, you can make it from the top of the rope ladder to the buzzer in the matter of milliseconds. Shane timed out right at the top of the ladder, if he had about 2 more seconds, he could of easily made it to the buzzer in time.
Then you remember at the beginning when his 130.0 seconds started, he wasted a good 2-3 seconds showing off a shirt to the camera. Which most likely costed him a Sasuke clear.
So, what exactly was on that shirt that was so special? Do you think it costed him his chance at Stage 1 glory? How far would he have gone? How would you feel if you timed out that close to the end? (I know that bike guy timed out literally right at the buzzer, which most feel even worse compared to Shane) I know this is a really late topic, but why not.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Mar 19, 2011 22:05:56 GMT -5
The shirt did nothing.. it was just poor Rope Ladder technique (No offense shane, you just had bad luck there) Now if he grabbed high on the Tarzan Rope (Why don't more people do that?) he would have been at the top of the Rope Ladder and would have cleared with 10+ seconds
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Post by yamfriend on Mar 19, 2011 22:35:01 GMT -5
No offense Rider but I'd wouldn't say those few seconds at the beginning were "nothing". Yeah he wasted a lot of time on the Rope Ladder since he grabbed so low on the Tarzan Rope but I'd be willing to bet something that had he started immediately when the 4th/"GO!" beep sounded he would've cleared with about a second left. As for how far he could've gotten I'd say probably into Stage 3 considering he didn't slip up beforehand (most likely on the Balance Tank IMO) and his fate probably would've been sealed at the UCH. Even if everything is exactly the same for if when they have guys for ANW3 there (or simply whenever he gets an opportunity to compete again), we'll never know for sure. Slightly off-topic: I nominate Daisuke Morikami (a.k.a. the biker guy who I'm pretty sure is in Muscle Musical) for the award of "Most Disappointing Timeout Ever on Stage 1". Seriously though, that was rough. I thought for sure he was going to make it once he got to the Tarzan Rope and I was getting kinda pumped up for someone lesser-known on Sasuke getting a shot in Stage 2. I really hope he makes it next time after what happened to him in 26.
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Post by TCM on Mar 19, 2011 22:46:53 GMT -5
The shirt did nothing.. it was just poor Rope Ladder technique (No offense shane, you just had bad luck there) Now if he grabbed high on the Tarzan Rope (Why don't more people do that?) he would have been at the top of the Rope Ladder and would have cleared with 10+ seconds The shirt kept him off-kilter just enough to run out of time. But I believe people have the rope so low because they underestimate the actual length of the Rope Ladder and when they reach it they're too late.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Mar 19, 2011 23:13:27 GMT -5
I think it's the bad landing on the Jumping Spider that cost him more than the shirt at the start, he lost alot of time there for a timed course. I'm just saying despite the shirt he had a great shot of clearing
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Post by roy on Mar 22, 2011 7:18:58 GMT -5
what a massive choke. I saw his bio and all about living in his car, but how can one lose with 20+ seconds left on the rope ladder...
its just disappointing, especially since he seems like such a cool guy and has a lot of potential to do well at this.
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Post by jp554731 on Mar 22, 2011 17:26:34 GMT -5
Lol talking smack about a guy is easy... making it to Sasuke 2x means that this guy certainly has the skill to do it. If David Campbell is the Shiratori of the West than this guy is our "buffed up muscle musical guy" ..... well minus the buffed up part.
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Post by Badalight on Mar 22, 2011 19:08:49 GMT -5
Lol talking smack about a guy is easy... making it to Sasuke 2x means that this guy certainly has the skill to do it. If David Campbell is the Shiratori of the West than this guy is our "buffed up muscle musical guy" ..... well minus the buffed up part. Your comparison makes no sense. Buffed up muscle musical guy? I don't get it.
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Post by VenusHeadTrap on Mar 22, 2011 19:39:01 GMT -5
Simply put Badalight, you only don't get it. It only "makes no sense" in your world.
and for god's sake, the guy has under 50 posts.
On topic: ..Yeah, Shane. His run makes me sad
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Post by Oti on Mar 22, 2011 20:41:46 GMT -5
I don't get it either. I also don't see how post count matters. A great poster could have three posts. A total jackass could have 7,500.
Shane's a great guy and has the potential to kill Sasuke, just like most of the finalists last time around. He just needs to work more on his speed. He knows it's his weakness and I'm confident he'll be back and faster than ever.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2011 20:43:14 GMT -5
He did have a hurt wrist (even putting an ice pack on it during boot camp) and that gave him some trouble on certain obstacles. Especially the grip sapping obstacles.
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Post by Oti on Mar 22, 2011 20:51:23 GMT -5
I don't think that hurt him. He successfully spider climbed and that was probably the most dangerous thing to his wrist (assuming his wrist injury is what I think it is).
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Post by RiderLeangle on Mar 22, 2011 21:56:23 GMT -5
Lol talking smack about a guy is easy... making it to Sasuke 2x means that this guy certainly has the skill to do it. If David Campbell is the Shiratori of the West than this guy is our "buffed up muscle musical guy" ..... well minus the buffed up part. Your comparison makes no sense. Buffed up muscle musical guy? I don't get it. I think this is who he means...
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Post by jfeathe on Mar 22, 2011 22:11:35 GMT -5
...anyway, Shane has simply had terrible luck. And that's the problem with the first stage- if you don't have a perfect run, you won't clear. I wish they'd go back to a first stage where a big stumble on an obstacle or 2-3 attempts at the Warped Wall didn't spell instant doom. Way too many amazing competitors aren't clearing the first stage due to this unpredictability and Shane's one of them.
I've never understood M9's recent (2007-now) fixation with the first stage. It was a stupid idea to design an unbeatable first stage in the first place. IMHO, anyone at or above the ability level of the NAOTO guy should have a very good chance at beating the first stage. From there, the second stage (which is a much fairer test of ability) can easily weed out those who aren't elite. Not giving great competitors a chance is pretty lame.
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Post by Oti on Mar 22, 2011 22:15:18 GMT -5
I don't think stage one is really THAT dependent upon luck. Stumbling when you come off Rolling Escargot, skill. Tripping up the Warped Wall, skill. I agree that the stage should be a tad easier and shorter (I think it's the most boring stage to watch), but I don't think it's really luck-based.
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Post by jfeathe on Mar 22, 2011 22:34:59 GMT -5
I don't think stage one is really THAT dependent upon luck. Stumbling when you come off Rolling Escargot, skill. Tripping up the Warped Wall, skill. I agree that the stage should be a tad easier and shorter (I think it's the most boring stage to watch), but I don't think it's really luck-based. I completely agree that everything is skill based. The problem is that the first stage has the finikiest obstacles by far. There is just so much that can be messed up that to get everything right without a small flub is remarkable. Only 2 people: Okuyama and Lee have shown consistency; in pre-18 tournaments, you had the same amazing competitors clear nearly every single time. It should have stayed that way. That explains the main problem with Shin-Sasuke as a whole. Reaching the second and third stages was so rare, that those stages remained untouched. When people finally figured out the first stage, the success rate was so overwhelming that there was a victory only 3 tournaments after the Shin Cliff Hanger was first defeated.
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Post by Oti on Mar 22, 2011 22:49:33 GMT -5
But if things are still skill-based, doesn't that mean that Nagano and everyone else who has hit and miss results are simply lacking the skill to beat the first stage consistently? And if that's true, doesn't that mean Okuyama and Lee DO have the skill and, thus, deserve to move on? I think you said it best when you said Sasuke was better when one little mistake didn't result in a failure. I personally used to enjoy watching people fail the Warped Wall once or twice, only to see them come back and crush the rest of the first stage, then make it to the end of the third. It's a catch-22 now because on one hand, I don't want to see the same people in the later three stages every competition, but at the same time I don't want to see them all fail randomly for no good reason. I still fail to recognize the Cliff Hanger as some sort of standard. Regardless, that victory may not have happened if they hadn't practically given it to Yuuji. I don't know. That's a conversation for another topic all together. I do agree that Sasuke hasn't been the same since Nagano won in 17, though. 18-20 weren't THAT bad, but then it just got so old and repetitive...
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Post by jfeathe on Mar 22, 2011 23:14:26 GMT -5
Things can be skill based but still have a luck factor. The Rolling Escargot, for example, requires skills like strength and balance, but not slipping is the luck portion of it. The current first stage is full of these death traps.
And I really don't think they were trying to "give" the victory to anyone until Sasuke 24. Sasuke 18-20 were disasters, 21-22 were slightly better, 23 was such an unexpected and astonishing turnaround that they simply left 24 the same. An easier first stage would have allowed for substantial development in the second and third stage. What we ended up with instead were 30 second second stage clears and practically everyone reaching the end or clearing the third stage.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2011 23:22:30 GMT -5
Sasuke is luck.
But if you train hard, your chances of success are higher, but luck is still involved.
If you don't train at all, your chances of success are low, but luck is still involved.
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Post by Oti on Mar 23, 2011 8:20:26 GMT -5
I disagree. The Rolling Escargot is all about technique in my opinion. If you know what you're doing, you can pass it 100% of the time. If you have no idea what you're doing and you happen to guess the right-ish technique, you could see that as luck, but is it really? Isn't it just the ability to determine what you need to do? Adaptability?
I really don't believe luck plays much part in Sasuke at all. I look at it like this:
As for Shane, I don't believe he's had bad luck. I believe he's not QUITE skilled enough to make it through. He spends a little too much time between obstacles, completes obstacles a little too slowly and doesn't come out of them perfectly. These factors all affected his run and overall time (or lack thereof, I guess) and all of these factors can be trained.
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