Zorn
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Post by Zorn on Oct 27, 2008 23:30:57 GMT -5
I'm gonna say final stage takeda for 23 and shiratori fails final ring in 22
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Post by obakemono on Oct 28, 2008 8:27:02 GMT -5
Who thinks Yamada can make it up the salmon ladder? Easily, if he can get there.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Oct 28, 2008 10:55:53 GMT -5
Even though I don't like him, I think Yamada can do the second stage, and most of the third, but that doesn't matter considering you have to get past stage 1 to get to those.
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joemello
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Post by joemello on Oct 28, 2008 12:58:32 GMT -5
I predict that 100 people will compete, most of which will fall during the first stage.
There will be a handful of Americans there, and Higuchi will make sure to raise a stink about it, because jingoism=ratings.
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lars072
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Post by lars072 on Oct 29, 2008 4:59:22 GMT -5
OK, let's deal with this Gliding Ring one last time. Do you people now what 'glide' means? There was no gliding involved as Nagano found out. So TBS needs to change the name or change the obstacle. That's it.
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Post by obakemono on Oct 29, 2008 9:50:42 GMT -5
Calm down or GTFO. "That's it."
EDIT: Don't take this too seriously. No offence meant, just trying to make a point.
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Post by Badalight on Oct 29, 2008 10:24:49 GMT -5
OK, let's deal with this Gliding Ring one last time. Do you people now what 'glide' means? There was no gliding involved as Nagano found out. So TBS needs to change the name or change the obstacle. That's it. Seriously, stop bringing that up. All the osbtacles are tested extensivle,y infact, RIGHT before stage 3 there is a tester who runs through it. If it was acting up, they would've fixed it. It acted exactly how it was supposed to act. It doesn't matter if it doesn't glide, do the name HAVE to mean exactly what the obstacle is? When people do the jumping spider do you shout at the T.V. because there are no spiders involved what-so-ever? Seriously dude, the name doesn't matter. I actually liked Final Ring better as the final obstacles name, but it's silly to complain about something so insignificant =p THe obstacle works fine, it's not unfair, Nagano lost beacuse he was TIRED not because the obstacle malfunctioned. It was his first time in the second half of stage 3, did you think he was going to win on his first try? Probably not, it usually doesnt' happen, especially not with the updated course. No one had gotten past the cliff-hanger so I expected him to do good, but I had guessed he'd lose on the gliding ring, which he did. Rmember back in like.. Sasuke 9 I think it was? Or Sasuke 10. He lost ont he warped wall the tournament before. Then on his first stage 3 run ever he made it to the pipe slider and lost because he didn't know how to do it. That's what this is like, it was his first treal attempt at stage 3, and he didn't know how all the obstacles worked. Guess what happend the tournament AFTER he lost on the pipe slider? He made it to the final stage... So maybe history will repeat itself, and he'll get there in Sasuke 22. Sorry for the rant and wall of text XD And yes, Yamada's terrotory is stage 3, and the stage 2 obstacles shouldn't phase him, but if he can't pass stage 1 it doesn't matter. Bring the strongest man in the world to Sasuke, with the best body/weight ratio. he'd own stages 2 and 3, but he's too big and bulky to beat stage 1. Same goes for Yamada ^ but I think he still has a chance, he made it to the warped wall injured didn't he? He's obviously got some talent left.
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Post by obakemono on Oct 29, 2008 11:04:14 GMT -5
Rmember back in like.. Sasuke 9 I think it was? Or Sasuke 10. He lost ont he warped wall the tournament before. Then on his first stage 3 run ever he made it to the pipe slider and lost because he didn't know how to do it. That's what this is like, it was his first treal attempt at stage 3, and he didn't know how all the obstacles worked. Guess what happend the tournament AFTER he lost on the pipe slider? He made it to the final stage... Not entirely true. He failed the Ring because he ran out of energy, not because he didn't know how to do it. Also, the tournament after he made it to the Pipe Slider, he failed the Jump Hang. The one after that, he got to the final stage. But anyway, this discussion is getting a little too heated. We need to tone it down or phase it out entirely.
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davidyko
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Post by davidyko on Oct 29, 2008 15:40:13 GMT -5
Yeah, just wanted to agree with Bada about the obstacle, and obakemono with the corrections. If you really want a name that really doesn't have too much to do with the obstacle itself, try Spider Flip.
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Post by SRW on Oct 30, 2008 7:47:57 GMT -5
plz tbs just call the gliding ring FINAL ring again in 22 its the same thing lol.
The only spidery thing about the spider flip is the climbing up and then down the other board.
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lars072
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Post by lars072 on Oct 30, 2008 8:18:28 GMT -5
Calm down or GTFO. "That's it." EDIT: Don't take this too seriously. No offence meant, just trying to make a point. I really don't take anything said here seriously as most of the posters on here are 15. ;D Anyways, no more Gliding Ring talk from me. Getting back to Sasuke 21, everyone I hae talked to said Sasuke 21 (especially stage 3) is WAY too hard. And if Nagano can't pass it, then you know it's tough. He still has a chance because he can do things no other mere mortal can. But the rest of the competitors, I fear, are just battling it out for bragging rights.
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Post by Badalight on Oct 30, 2008 10:11:48 GMT -5
I'm not 15, I'm 16 =D yeah sorry, I had a little wrong information there... but that wasn't he point, I was just saying the obstacle name doesn't matter =p I think the difficulty is fine, it just takes a littl ebit of time to get used to the change. It's only been 4 tournaments, and we ALMOST saw a final stage run already. In 5 after Akiyama won, the results were horrible. In 6 not many did extremely well, same goes for 7 except for shingo. No great atempts were made at the new course until 8 when 2 foreigners made it to the final stage. And everyone must've thought it was impossible since they did it in the rain, it made it seem that much more daunting. I think for the all-stars stage 3 is one of their least worries. They have the strength to do it, we know that. But if they screw up on stage 1 or 2 they don't even get to attempt it. (Bunpei, downhill jump, Shingo Flying Chute) Stage 1 is the challenging one IMO... even if the obstacles arn't as hard, it's intimidating. Plus we KNOW Nagano has the strength for stage 3, we've seen him do it many times, but people make mistakes and mental errors, so add a time limit and all the pressure in the world, and stage 1 becomes increasingly difficult... For someone like mean, stage 3 would be the hardest that we've seen, I just don't have the upper body strength. But on a good day, I may be able to beat stage 1. For the all-stars it's sort of the oposite. They actually have the strength to beat stage 3, but to get there it means beating the first 2. Catch my drift?
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Post by SRW on Oct 30, 2008 11:05:19 GMT -5
I've never thought personally stage 3 is impossible now just mega hard but I always said if anyone is gonna clear it Nagano will, he nearly did on his first real crack at the current stage3.
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lars072
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Post by lars072 on Oct 31, 2008 2:45:07 GMT -5
I've never thought personally stage 3 is impossible now just mega hard but I always said if anyone is gonna clear it Nagano will, he nearly did on his first real crack at the current stage3. Exactly. He was awesome in Sasuke 21 and almost made it to the final stage. If he can get to stage 3 again, he may do it this time. I still have my doubts o that jump from the GR to the platform, but if anyone can clear it, it's Nagano.
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lars072
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Post by lars072 on Oct 31, 2008 2:55:43 GMT -5
I'm not 15, I'm 16 =D yeah sorry, I had a little wrong information there... but that wasn't he point, I was just saying the obstacle name doesn't matter =p I think the difficulty is fine, it just takes a littl ebit of time to get used to the change. It's only been 4 tournaments, and we ALMOST saw a final stage run already. In 5 after Akiyama won, the results were horrible. In 6 not many did extremely well, same goes for 7 except for shingo. No great atempts were made at the new course until 8 when 2 foreigners made it to the final stage. And everyone must've thought it was impossible since they did it in the rain, it made it seem that much more daunting. I think for the all-stars stage 3 is one of their least worries. They have the strength to do it, we know that. But if they screw up on stage 1 or 2 they don't even get to attempt it. (Bunpei, downhill jump, Shingo Flying Chute) Stage 1 is the challenging one IMO... even if the obstacles arn't as hard, it's intimidating. Plus we KNOW Nagano has the strength for stage 3, we've seen him do it many times, but people make mistakes and mental errors, so add a time limit and all the pressure in the world, and stage 1 becomes increasingly difficult... For someone like mean, stage 3 would be the hardest that we've seen, I just don't have the upper body strength. But on a good day, I may be able to beat stage 1. For the all-stars it's sort of the oposite. They actually have the strength to beat stage 3, but to get there it means beating the first 2. Catch my drift? Besides Nagano and Takeda, I've prety much written off all of the other All-Stars although it would be great to see them in stage 3. Bunpei is 41 and the chances of him getting to stage 3 are getting more and more difficult. Yamamoto hasn't even passed the first stage since #17 and things don't look like they'll change much. And I'm not going to even address Mr. Sasuke's chances. I also think that we may have seen the last of a few competitors such as Koji Yamada, Takahashi, Washimi, Okuyama, Nakata, Iketani, Kobayashi, Jovtchev and possibly even the Nagasaski brothers (which would really suck). Besides the All-stars, these guys have been some of the best competitors and have given us so much excitement. How is TBS going to replace all of these guys?
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davidyko
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Post by davidyko on Oct 31, 2008 5:35:00 GMT -5
Well, Takahashi, Washimi, and Iketani have been participating consistently, but they've also been failing consistently. They're there, but they're not as exciting anymore since they falter at Stage 1 just like everyone else. As for Koji and Jovtchev, they've never been consistent in attendance.
But I agree with the gist of your statement.
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Post by Homeslice on Oct 31, 2008 8:06:37 GMT -5
Koji was pretty consistent between 12 and 17, but then took 18 off, appeared in 19, and hasn't been back. Let's hope that wasn't the last time.
And Iketani took three tournaments off before coming back this year (he hadn't appeared since 2005 before returning in 20, which made me think we saw the last of him). He still has the capability to pass the first stage but he's gotta figure out the obstacles, especially the Flying Chute. And if Nakata decides that he can compete again with those wrists of his, more power to him, but look what happened in 21 - the Salmon Ladder was more than they could take. I don't know about him, guys.
I hate to assume it, but I do think we've seen the last of a bunch of those other guys (and those that are still there will probably get the digest/Fast Forward treatment, almost like they aren't there anyway). I really hope the Nagasakis come back though, but I'm starting to doubt that.
Yeah, I don't think TBS could replace all that outgoing talent. Maybe it's a sign of the times? I sure hope not.
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Post by Badalight on Oct 31, 2008 8:16:40 GMT -5
I think you're not giving enough credit to some competitors.
There are a LOT of people with potential, they've just been having bad luck especially on the early stages.
Yamamoto is incredibly young still, and he only loses by stupid mistakes and mental errors.
In sasuke 18 he could've beaten stage 1, but he got his foot stuck and fell, he HAD it, he just lost concentration.
In 19 he failed the jumping psider like everyone else.
In 20 he fialed the half-pipe attack like everyone else, except he HAD it, he was so close to sticking that landing.
In 21... that wasn't his fualt, he had nothing but time, he could've beaten Nagano's time! He was just stuck in a bad situatoin since know one really knew you NEEDED the whiplash.
If Akiyama comes back, he has good cahnces provided his eye sight doens't get in his way. (Which it would on the metal spin, halfpipe attack, and flying chute. But he has the strength for stage 2 and 3 easily.
You arn't giving enough to credit to Bunpei or Yamada. How can you say Bunpei's done? He returned from a back injury and made it to stage 2! He old but he's still got game. All of ihs attempts have just been bad luck. In Sasuke 18 the walls were slippery and he.. slipped. In 19 his back was hurt and well.. only 2 people passed that day, you can't hold it against him.
20 he didn't compete.
21 was bad luck, even Nagano failed there. I don't see how you can say Bunpei doesn't at least have a chance. Nagano himself said he thinks Bunpei had the most potential out of the all-stars.
Yamada still has it too, IF he can beat the warped wall and if he doens't walk to every obstacle, then he can and WILL beat the first stage. And if he beats the first stage, stage 2 won't be a challenge, and you know he's a beast on stage 3.
Also if Shunsuke come sback, he a beast.
Takahashi is a beast.
If Terek comes back, he's a beast.
Levi's a beast.
Brian's a beast.
You have no faith, people don't lose most o fhtem time because they can't complete it, they lose because of mental errors. Even I could beat the first stage, it doens't mean I'm going to do it every time, people make mistakes. We can't have perfect runs 100% of the time, and people hav ebeen getting really unlucky.
That said obviously Nagano has a chance of beating it. And personally Takeda has an equal chance. Nagnao and Takeda arn't far in strength or anything for that matter. People think Nagano is like a god maong the others. He's good, but honestly he only beats Takedea by a sliver. What would've hapend if Nagano and Takeda were switched in 21? I bet their results would've changed. Nagano would've lost on the hang climbing since he wouldn't know how to beat it, and Takeda owuld learn from Nagano's mistakes and get to the final ring.
It'd be flopped.
They are equals.
Obviously each has their strengths and weaknesses, but they're too close to say without a doubt one is better than the other despite Nagano's Sucess on the course.
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Post by obakemono on Oct 31, 2008 9:21:46 GMT -5
That said obviously Nagano has a chance of beating it. And personally Takeda has an equal chance. Nagnao and Takeda arn't far in strength or anything for that matter. People think Nagano is like a god maong the others. He's good, but honestly he only beats Takedea by a sliver. What would've hapend if Nagano and Takeda were switched in 21? I bet their results would've changed. Nagano would've lost on the hang climbing since he wouldn't know how to beat it, and Takeda owuld learn from Nagano's mistakes and get to the final ring. It is almost purely a matter of strength, though. Takeda failed the Hang Climbing because his arms were done, not because he didn't know how to do it. It's not exactly tricky conceptually. Although, to be fair, he did (supposedly) have to tackle the first and second stages twice. He's not too far behind Nagano... as you said. Honestly, though, out of the current crop of competitors, there are very few with the bodyweight strength, endurance and grip to have a chance at completing the third stage. We just don't know who they all are yet. I'd be reluctant to put Levi, Brian or Shingo among them, even allowing for lots of additional training. Bunpei, maybe. EDIT: Also, consistency is a MAJOR part of being a good competitor. Nagano beat the course because he made it to the final stage or deep into the third so many times.
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Post by Badalight on Oct 31, 2008 9:45:36 GMT -5
People under-ate Bunpei too much, he's a good competitor. he got the furthest in Sasuke 16, that wasn't THAT long ago.
He's just had bad luck recently with his back.
I believe Bunpei can do it.
Shingo is a stretch, since even when he was gettng to stage 3 he'd be losing on the body prop. But he's just now getting into his prime, he's only improving while people like Yamada and Bunpei are going downhill with their age.
And don't forget about Shunsuke... I know it's bee awhile since we've seen him, but he got just as far as nagano in 18 and 19.
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