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Post by peterpack on Jan 30, 2011 5:15:38 GMT -5
I don't think the Japanese elite competitors liked the fact more Americans did better than they did in this Sasuke. You could see some of their faces when the Americans were getting through Stages 1 and 2 Idealy it would be unreal if Sasuke competitors descended on the challenge from all over the world, UK, Europe, Australia, Africa etc but i think the Japanese will want a keep a bit of a reign on foreign competitors so they aren't shown up. I know it's important to the Japanese but some of the celebrity contestants were a disgrace. great to have a scene release of this event for a change  |
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Post by thatoneuser on Jan 30, 2011 11:25:09 GMT -5
First of all Peter, welcome to SMF. Yes, we bite.
No, the Japanese competitors were not pleased with their performance in SASUKE 26. Most of the shame came from the awful performance by the All-Stars with none of the three passing the Jumping Spider. A lot of the "elite" competitors (Yamamoto, Kanno, Takahashi, Miyazaki) failed the Rolling Escargot, and without that obstacle it would've been a different story. Ultimately only four Japanese competitors cleared the First Stage and only Okuyama cleared the Second.
Monster9 has continually made efforts to bring in foreign competitors not just from the United States. In SASUKE 25 last spring, they invited people from all six life-sustaining continents, obviously including United States competitors.
Personally I attribute most of the success of the United States to the boot camp at the end of American Ninja Warrior 2. Although a lot of the challenges they had weren't necessarily related to SASUKE obstacles (ex. the human flag challenge) but the training ground they had there definitely helped out the competitors a lot and it showed on the course. Since the first ANW had a short beach course, they got a very mixed bag of competitors, many who did not really fit the stereotype SASUKE competitor, and although many went deep into the First Stage there were only three clears (two of them being Meeuwenberg and Orosco who had been at SASUKE several times before). With the boot camp several newcomers were more familiarized with the more perilous obstacles of the SASUKE course and really looked like they knew what they were doing.
Finally, one thing you forgot - the casual SASUKE watcher watches to see the comedians, and as such, more comedians = higher ratings. SASUKE 25 had virtually no comedians and it killed them in the ratings.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2011 11:58:56 GMT -5
I think now that there's ANW, American competitors will always have the edge. That's why a JNW is necessary. American competitors will ALWAYS do amazing now. They have an advantage none of the Japanese competitors have.
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Post by bigblind168 on Jan 30, 2011 14:45:24 GMT -5
Hey Peter, Welcome.
I'm sorry RC, but I think you're 100% incorrect.
The Announcers and TBS hyped it to be Asia Vs. America. Where as in reality its, 100 people vs The Course.
When you saw Nagano and others with the bitter faces, its hardly due to the lack of Japan success, rather, as Arsenette said in her blog, its analysis. When you see everyone failing, but a select few people dominating the course, and the Rolling Escargot taking out tons of competitors, you analyze the hell out of it. I mean TBS LOVES David, Brian, and Levi. The Top Japanese competitiors LOVE Brian and Levi (probably David aswell).
When it comes down to it, if theres any rivalry, its a friendly rivalry. Because in the end, and this is what TBS seems to be forgetting now, to the competitors its 100 people against the course. Thats what it'll always be.
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Post by supersheep on Jan 30, 2011 16:00:17 GMT -5
The only people who are into this Japan vs US stuff is G4 and TBS, the competitors don't see that way at all and they think it takes away from the spirit of the competition.
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Post by Badalight on Jan 30, 2011 16:43:26 GMT -5
Personally I attribute most of the success of the United States to the boot camp at the end of American Ninja Warrior 2. Although a lot of the challenges they had weren't necessarily related to SASUKE obstacles (ex. the human flag challenge) but the training ground they had there definitely helped out the competitors a lot and it showed on the course. Since the first ANW had a short beach course, they got a very mixed bag of competitors, many who did not really fit the stereotype SASUKE competitor, and although many went deep into the First Stage there were only three clears (two of them being Meeuwenberg and Orosco who had been at SASUKE several times before). With the boot camp several newcomers were more familiarized with the more perilous obstacles of the SASUKE course and really looked like they knew what they were doing. I really disagree with this. In fact David said the training camp actually got him out of shape. When he finally got back home he could no longer complete his ultimate cliff-hanger. I'm sure it helped, but that is NOT what turned the tides. We simply had 10 VERY good atheletes. A lot of them had been there before, so of course they were going to do good, they had experience. Plus they could help out the newbs. |
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Post by Badalight on Jan 30, 2011 16:46:15 GMT -5
I mean TBS LOVES David, Brian, and Levi. The Top Japanese competitiors LOVE Brian and Levi (probably David aswell). Of trust me... they LOVE david. There's a reason he got so many fluff pieces when even people like Brian Orosco were getting the shaft, especially on stage 3. Personally I think David is their favorite. They realized Levi isn't a god and they don't like him being a show-off. They've realized brian isn't the fastest and he probably doesn't have a good shot a stage 3. David is humble, he's a huge fan of he show, he's one of the fastest competitors in all of Sasuke, japanese competitors included, plus he has the best chance at stage 3 (IMO). And they LOVE his home made course. That thing even belittles the Shiratori shrine. |
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Post by scnoi1217 on Jan 30, 2011 17:39:36 GMT -5
Personally I attribute most of the success of the United States to the boot camp at the end of American Ninja Warrior 2. Although a lot of the challenges they had weren't necessarily related to SASUKE obstacles (ex. the human flag challenge) but the training ground they had there definitely helped out the competitors a lot and it showed on the course. Since the first ANW had a short beach course, they got a very mixed bag of competitors, many who did not really fit the stereotype SASUKE competitor, and although many went deep into the First Stage there were only three clears (two of them being Meeuwenberg and Orosco who had been at SASUKE several times before). With the boot camp several newcomers were more familiarized with the more perilous obstacles of the SASUKE course and really looked like they knew what they were doing. I really disagree with this. In fact David said the training camp actually got him out of shape. When he finally got back home he could no longer complete his ultimate cliff-hanger. I'm sure it helped, but that is NOT what turned the tides. We simply had 10 VERY good atheletes. A lot of them had been there before, so of course they were going to do good, they had experience. Plus they could help out the newbs. Actually he said that about the terrible food they had to eat. The obstacle experience I'm sure helped people like Brent and Paul. |
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Post by arsenette on Jan 30, 2011 17:48:16 GMT -5
Hey Peter, Welcome. I'm sorry RC, but I think you're 100% incorrect. The Announcers and TBS hyped it to be Asia Vs. America. Where as in reality its, 100 people vs The Course. When you saw Nagano and others with the bitter faces, its hardly due to the lack of Japan success, rather, as Arsenette said in her blog, its analysis. When you see everyone failing, but a select few people dominating the course, and the Rolling Escargot taking out tons of competitors, you analyze the hell out of it. I mean TBS LOVES David, Brian, and Levi. The Top Japanese competitiors LOVE Brian and Levi (probably David aswell). When it comes down to it, if theres any rivalry, its a friendly rivalry. Because in the end, and this is what TBS seems to be forgetting now, to the competitors its 100 people against the course. Thats what it'll always be. Agreed. Nagano has gone on record saying he despises with a passion the TBS droning of country vs country. Most people try to ignore it while others are affected by the negativity. He tries to just let is slide off his back. TBS did everything they could to make it out into this huge rivalry but I agree that if there is one it's a friendly rivalry. Takeda and Shingo love using that almost as a joke or another way to have fun. Nagano ignores it completely and cheers everyone on. He's fascinated with foreigners in general (not just the Americans) since he's always longed to visit other countries and finally he's slowly given the opportunity thanks to the show. But, for the most part, no one in Japan likes this "rivalry" crap and they just chuck it to just TBS being TBS.. the do this with everything.. and I mean everything.. it's just something they drum up for television experience despite what others feel about it. G4 tried to do the same with ANW3 by trying to create animosity and drama where there wasn't any. It's a television thing.  |
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Post by TCM on Jan 30, 2011 20:00:18 GMT -5
G4 tried to do the same with ANW3 by trying to create animosity and drama where there wasn't any. It's a television thing. You must be psychic  |
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Post by arsenette on Jan 30, 2011 20:08:30 GMT -5
G4 tried to do the same with ANW3 by trying to create animosity and drama where there wasn't any. It's a television thing. You must be psychic Aahahaah 2 Yeah I have that in my head since everyone's been anticipating Aahahahahha yes yes.. ANW2 |
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Post by SRW on Jan 30, 2011 22:22:25 GMT -5
SASUKEs real spirit is being killed now by tbs seemingly and their constant billing of country vs country old vs new etc I mean when I saw JAPAN VS USA VS TAIWAN in 26 I cringed no wonder people are turning off the uniqueness of SASUKE is being ripped out and seemingly TBS want to make things more nasty now rather than all being unified vs the course.
Tragedy really!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2011 22:25:04 GMT -5
I don't think that's why people are tuning out. It is annoying to hardcore fans and competitors though.
Couldn't stand the new stars vs. all stars. You could tell Nagano wanted to get out of that nonsense by hanging out with the new stars.
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Post by SRW on Jan 30, 2011 22:26:03 GMT -5
On a side Note I think only David has a shot of clearing stage 3 out of all the Americans we have seen thuis far! Levi and Brian I cannot see them passing at all.
Nagano hates the rivalry nonsense yeah I think he just wishes tbs would STFU and give that announcer Ogasawa? (sp) a damn good kicking as well for his blatent pressure he puts on the competitors.
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Post by TCM on Jan 30, 2011 22:53:58 GMT -5
The only thing I like about the whole rivalry playup thing was the cool VS graphic we got in the beginning of the 2nd Stage. Other than that, it's just TBS being TBS like was said apparently.
EDIT: While I loathe Ogasawara, the commentators are there just to build up excitement and add drama, even if one may go a bit overboard with it than the others in terms of the drama part.
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Post by jp554731 on Feb 3, 2011 5:08:29 GMT -5
it would be funny if they didn't know the true meaning of versus like how most Japanese use engrish and didn't know it was pissing off everyone in general. I think they should do this instead America, Taiwan, Shin Sei, All Star- Veteran Vs. 鋼鉄の魔城(Steel Castle) SASUKE don't know if it would fit the screen though, but with less Versus characters out there it stands a chance at fitting. they should probably re name it to 金城の魔城 (impregnable castle) as I think it will prolly take a couple more years until we have a new champ due to the now daunting 3rd Stage, that and you can't get the castle pregnant
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