|
Post by Badalight on Jan 23, 2011 17:17:42 GMT -5
How is it possible to climb a verticle board? What is there to grip onto? Unless there's footholds, I can't see anyone doing that. Remember on the Spider Flip, there was no point where they were just on the verticle portion. Honestly, right now the only thing I think they could do is have a Kunoichi 6 final stage but with a rope and a longer Wall Climb. I would love a Spider Climb-Rope Ladder-Rope final, but I don't think they'll do a 3 obstacle final. Are you kidding me? it's totally possible You use your feet and grab the sides.... how is that impossible? I do it with the I-beams in my church all the time. It's not that hard, but probably a step harder than the spiderclimb/ropeladder so it would fit perfectly IMO.
|
|
|
Post by Badalight on Jan 23, 2011 17:20:25 GMT -5
Link to the video blind was talking about.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2011 17:24:13 GMT -5
Dude I'm so happy that obstacle can work.
Yeah dude, have it be that hieght, and add a flip mid way up, and it would be awesome.
Not only does it act as the "Transfer" that we all want, but you can climb it pretty quickly.
BTW that guy is bat s*** insane. Awesome. But insane.
|
|
|
Post by Badalight on Jan 23, 2011 17:29:37 GMT -5
Well he climbed that in 13 seconds, I'm not sure how tall it is though. That's about the time needed to climb the spider walk portion of the old final stage.
Granted that's the same height as the old spider climb, if you split it in half, adding a jump midway up, and then finished off with a rope, I think it'd make for a perfect final stage.
It'd probably be the most challenging yet, without being impossible.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2011 17:32:09 GMT -5
Well he climbed that in 13 seconds, I'm not sure how tall it is though. That's about the time needed to climb the spider walk portion of the old final stage. Granted that's the same height as the old spider climb, if you split it in half, adding a jump midway up, and then finished off with a rope, I think it'd make for a perfect final stage. It'd probably be the most challenging yet, without being impossible. Or slow as hell.
|
|
|
Post by Badalight on Jan 23, 2011 17:51:54 GMT -5
what?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2011 18:07:55 GMT -5
Slow like the Salmon ladder idea.
|
|
|
Post by Badalight on Jan 23, 2011 18:14:46 GMT -5
Slow like the Salmon ladder idea. How would that be slow? I gave the same exact idea as you.
|
|
|
Post by UnrealCanine on Jan 23, 2011 19:07:44 GMT -5
Slow like the Salmon ladder idea. That fella in the video certainly wasn't slow
|
|
|
Post by TCM on Jan 23, 2011 19:15:20 GMT -5
There's a chance of it being slow if the person has no idea with how to climb it correctly. But it would be much faster than the Salmon Ladder idea. One issue I do have with the board idea is we've noticed the testers seem to be suckish on the Final, because of them it was almost beaten the first time. I hope those guys would know how to do it well enough so that the time limit would be strict but passable. Ladder + Rope should have been 40 from the outright.
|
|
|
Post by Badalight on Jan 23, 2011 19:23:22 GMT -5
There's a chance of it being slow if the person has no idea with how to climb it correctly. But it would be much faster than the Salmon Ladder idea. One issue I do have with the board idea is we've noticed the testers seem to be suckish on the Final, because of them it was almost beaten the first time. I hope those guys would know how to do it well enough so that the time limit would be strict but passable. Ladder + Rope should have been 40 from the outright. I think it would've still been possible as 35 even. Or they can learn that they don't have to have time limits in increments of 5 everytime.
|
|
|
Post by TCM on Jan 23, 2011 19:30:10 GMT -5
There's a chance of it being slow if the person has no idea with how to climb it correctly. But it would be much faster than the Salmon Ladder idea. One issue I do have with the board idea is we've noticed the testers seem to be suckish on the Final, because of them it was almost beaten the first time. I hope those guys would know how to do it well enough so that the time limit would be strict but passable. Ladder + Rope should have been 40 from the outright. I think it would've still been possible as 35 even. Or they can learn that they don't have to have time limits in increments of 5 everytime. Then why do you think its possible at 35
|
|
|
Post by jfeathe on Jan 23, 2011 19:31:39 GMT -5
I admit, I was wrong about it being impossible.
One of the problems with the "Board" idea is that someone already brought up is that the testers and producers will inevitably completely miscalculate the time limit and we'll get a Kunoichi 8.
Another problem is that "board climbing" is not a "normal" skill. Some people who practice it over and over have gotten quite proficient at it and would probably succeed while others would fail miserably. There needs to be an obstacle that is truly skill alone.
|
|
|
Post by Badalight on Jan 23, 2011 19:35:50 GMT -5
I admit, I was wrong about it being impossible. One of the problems with the "Board" idea is that someone already brought up is that the testers and producers will inevitably completely miscalculate the time limit and we'll get a Kunoichi 8. Another problem is that "board climbing" is not a "normal" skill. Some people who practice it over and over have gotten quite proficient at it and would probably succeed while others would fail miserably. There needs to be an obstacle that is truly skill alone. Your first point: That's going to happen REGARDLESS of what the final stage is. They miscalculated the new final stages time and yuuji almost won because of it when he obviously didn't deserve to (with that slow of rope climbing). About your second point... of course people who practice it are going to be more proficient, same with rope climbing... and same as spiderwalking, unless you consider spiderwalking a "normal" skill? Your logic is pretty flawed. Anyway when I first tried that at my church, I flew up it, no practice needed.
|
|
|
Post by jfeathe on Jan 23, 2011 21:05:19 GMT -5
Well, normal as in normal to Sasuke. Spider Walking is a "normal" Sasuke skill as well as Rope Climbing. Board Climbing is not and it just seems to me that it would cause many problems- for competitors and for setting the time limit.
I disagree with you about the time limit being naturally miscalculated. They had it perfect for 1-4's final and 5-17's final and there's no reason to have a mistake like they had in 22 again.
They need to keep the time limit below 40 seconds for this new final stage because anything longer has greater potential to be "crushed."
|
|
|
Post by SRW on Jan 23, 2011 21:09:05 GMT -5
the last final should have been 35 seconds in my view but thats illrelevent now! I'd personally like it to go back to 30 seconds now.
|
|
|
Post by yamfriend on Jan 23, 2011 21:14:25 GMT -5
Anyway when I first tried that at my church, I flew up it, no practice needed. Same here, except not in a church (I had to climb up the peg board in my gym to get the pegs that someone left in the top row and did it pretty quickly; that's actually where I thought of the "Board Climb" idea from LOL. And BTW just to clarify I must've thought of this idea after JP already mentioned it previously somewhere else but I hadn't seen it. ). Also a board climb + rope climb would bring back the excitement of having competitors race to the top of the Final Stage within the strict 30-second time limit that we saw more in the 5-17 era than with Shin-Sasuke. And yeah I see absolutely no problem why this wouldn't work. Also I have another idea that I'll be sharing in my 4th custom course video soon (hopefully). In general though I think what I've got seems completely plausible to pull off both competitor-wise and safety-wise.
|
|
|
Post by Badalight on Jan 23, 2011 21:16:38 GMT -5
Well, normal as in normal to Sasuke. Spider Walking is a "normal" Sasuke skill as well as Rope Climbing. Board Climbing is not and it just seems to me that it would cause many problems- for competitors and for setting the time limit. I disagree with you about the time limit being naturally miscalculated. They had it perfect for 1-4's final and 5-17's final and there's no reason to have a mistake like they had in 22 again. They need to keep the time limit below 40 seconds for this new final stage because anything longer has greater potential to be "crushed." They did NOT have it perfect for 1-4. Akiyama DESTROYED that final stage. I agree with was perfect in 5-17, and in shin sasuke it took 2 tries to get it perfect. So you think 1/3 is good? Even if it was 2/3 that's only 66% of the time I think climbing a rope ladder is more of a "tricky skill" then that sort of board climbing. Plus as you've seen it can be done really fast. If it was board climbing and then a rope climb the time limit could easily be 30 seconds.
|
|
|
Post by jfeathe on Jan 23, 2011 21:20:28 GMT -5
the last final should have been 35 seconds in my view but thats illrelevent now! I'd personally like it to go back to 30 seconds now. I kind of agree with 35 seconds but 37.5 seemed like it would have been ideal. Yuuji would have been 1.5 seconds short and both his Ladder and Rope climb were pretty much flawless. It's still amazing that with the exception of Ayako Miyake's K6 final, every victory has had 2.5 seconds or more left on the clock. It's like when someone finally DOES clear the final, they blow it out of the water. That's why Akiyama's victory still astonishes me. Some people couldn't even make it halfway and even the best of the best (Tanaka and Yamada) were still a bit short. Then Akiyama came along and totally destroyed it.
|
|
|
Post by Badalight on Jan 23, 2011 21:28:06 GMT -5
Simply because they were all awful at rope climbing. Just look at their terrible technique, and most got burned out before even getting halfway up the rope. Yamada started out with only his arms at first, not even using his legs, and look how close he got.
If Nagano was on that rope I'm sure he would've blown it out of the water too (Maybe not as much as Akiyama, but still)
6 seconds left when the final is 30 seconds? That's 1/5 of the time left.
Also I wouldn't call his rope climbing "flawless". I think he actually rope climbed faster on his first final stage attempt, and he did improve his climbing but it still wasn't as fast as Nagano or Akiyama.
|
|