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Jan 6, 2011 17:20:30 GMT -5
Post by supersheep on Jan 6, 2011 17:20:30 GMT -5
Theoretically yes.
That was the point of my earlier post, if they get a free invite from M9 based on past performance they should be welcome to take it, but it should disqualify them from any of the perks from ANW (getting on the ANW broadcast, money, etc.).
If they want to be able to win the prizes associated with ANW they should have to follow ANW's rules which says you have to requalify each time.
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Jan 6, 2011 17:46:01 GMT -5
Post by Badalight on Jan 6, 2011 17:46:01 GMT -5
I'm still astounded that no one can wrap their heads around the M9 rule.. again.. because YOU want to be in it and want to rip someone out of that spot. So what if all 10 got past the first stage? GOOD FOR THEM! I'll be happy they did it just like all the others from any other country. Just because YOU want to be in it doesn't mean someone has to bow out for you to get back on ANW.. prove yourself like everyone else and then have room to talk. So far this is the ONLY reason why anyone would be opposed to allowing someone who has proven themselves on the COURSE IN JAPAN to not be allowed to return like everyone else around the world does. It's called selfishness folks. Wise up to it. Wow arsenette, your double standards AMAZE me. You said "so what if the americans take the spots of other americans" implying america shouldn't get more than 10 spots. Am I correct? But you also think that if an american passes stage 2, they should get invited back. So it's unfair to not invite the americans back if they don't pass stage 2, but it's fair to limit them to 10 slots? Your argument also makes pretty much 0 sense. "Just because YOU want to be in it doesn't mean someone has to bow out for you to get back on ANW.. prove yourself like everyone else and then have room to talk." 1. How would we prove ourselves if all 10 spots are taken? 2. Who are you even talking to? I don't think anyone who has said they don't deserve invites actually expects to get on the show. Are you talking to me? I'm 18, I don't expect to get on the show and my answer is completely unselfish. I'm no thinking about myself, I don't care if g4 is only handing out ONE slot, whatever. But the others who have been trying for years like Stratus would be getting shafted. Think about this Arsenette, what if Japan had a similar system? What if they had the top 10 people from their trial go to Sasuke like america does. People like Kanno, Yuuji, etc would qualify. A lot of the qualifiers have passed stage 1. If we're going by the same rule, then Japan would have very few slots left to give to other qualifiers, people like Keita who has been trying to get on forever. You think that's fair? If you do that's fine, but if you say no then you're just being a hypocryte. I don't want the people like David to be shafted, but I don't want them to be the reason that others don't go. That's why my idea was to put the people who beat stage 2 into the semi's. So they still have to prove themselves but it's at least 1 less round and they don't have to worry about going out early. If there is someone better suited to go then say, Travis, then why not send the person better suited?
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Jan 6, 2011 17:52:38 GMT -5
Post by quasikoz on Jan 6, 2011 17:52:38 GMT -5
Theoretically yes. That was the point of my earlier post, if they get a free invite from M9 based on past performance they should be welcome to take it, but it should disqualify them from any of the perks from ANW (getting on the ANW broadcast, money, etc.). If they want to be able to win the prizes associated with ANW they should have to follow ANW's rules which says you have to requalify each time. That's also assuming M9 would take them in rather than saying: "You're G4's problem, not ours." Everyone around the world (except Lee en Chi) has been told to go through their local Sasuke/Ninja Warrior broadcasters to see about getting into Sasuke. Because of that, I don't adhere to M9's auto-invite rule that arsenette clings to. Americans have to go through G4, so G4 sets the rules. And G4 hasn't come out publicly saying what the rules are. They've been generous with ANC's 1-4 to give the previously selected 2 or more shots at the course. But now we've got ANW. Everyone who made it to Japan through ANW1 had to requalify again in ANW2. Does this mean that'll happen again for ANW3? Who knows. It depends on what G4 thinks will make them the most money.
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Jan 6, 2011 18:18:06 GMT -5
Post by supersheep on Jan 6, 2011 18:18:06 GMT -5
I think thats a whole other problem, G4 seems to make up the rules as they go along, so no one knows what the standard or what the policy is.
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Jan 6, 2011 18:55:32 GMT -5
Post by RiderLeangle on Jan 6, 2011 18:55:32 GMT -5
More proof to what sheep was saying.. in response to that whole They've been generous with ANC's 1-4 to give the previously selected 2 or more shots at the course. But now we've got ANW. Everyone who made it to Japan through ANW1 had to requalify again in ANW2. thing... I don't think that seemed to be the case.. only Levi got in.. If that was the case wouldn't Brian have been at Sasuke 22?
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Jan 6, 2011 19:00:08 GMT -5
Post by supersheep on Jan 6, 2011 19:00:08 GMT -5
If i recall Brian wasn't at Sasuke 22 for scheduling reasons.
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Jan 6, 2011 19:04:37 GMT -5
Post by RiderLeangle on Jan 6, 2011 19:04:37 GMT -5
If i recall Brian wasn't at Sasuke 22 for scheduling reasons. Oh........ Nevermind then.......
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Jan 6, 2011 19:12:38 GMT -5
Post by quasikoz on Jan 6, 2011 19:12:38 GMT -5
I think thats a whole other problem, G4 seems to make up the rules as they go along, so no one knows what the standard or what the policy is. Yea, but my point was that they set the rules for how Americans are chosen to compete at Sasuke. Not M9, which makes the Stage 1 auto-invite argument moot.
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Jan 6, 2011 19:16:23 GMT -5
Post by supersheep on Jan 6, 2011 19:16:23 GMT -5
Thats what I've been trying to say, I don't think they should be able to use M9 as a backdoor to get into ANW when they fell trying to get in the front door. If they want to try to use that to get on Sasuke and not particiapate in ANW, more power to em.
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Jan 6, 2011 20:14:09 GMT -5
Post by yamfriend on Jan 6, 2011 20:14:09 GMT -5
Here's my opinion on the matter: If ANW3 is for Sasuke 27-Levi gets to go no matter what since he qualified to go to 26 but got injured. That's only fair IMO. -Brent and David get auto-invites this time because they were the 2 that got the farthest in 26. -Paul, Brian, and Travis get spots as 3 of the 12 guys in the finals (of which the top 7 in the finals would get to go to Sasuke 27). -The other 5 guys who went to 26 have either a "bye" in the qualifying round (similar to what Badalight said) or a "mulligan" in the qualifying round (i.e. if they fall in the qualifying round, they can have one redo, though this would only apply to the qualifying round and not the semi-finals). -Everyone else will have to start from scratch, regardless of if they've had past experience or not. If ANW3 is for Sasuke 28 or later-David, Brent, Paul, Brian, Travis, and possibly Levi all have the option to go to 27 (first 5 because they all cleared Stage 1 in 26, and Levi because he qualified for 26 but was unable to compete due to injury) -For 28, everyone has to qualify. I really wish there was an easier way to go about this all, but it all seems very controversial. I honestly believe it's only fair for those who cleared at least Stage 1 to go back since they've already proved themselves. At the same time, however, IMO not only do I think it's unfair to limit the other Americans' chances at qualifying but also worse for the ratings by the Japanese audience (they'll probably be even less likely to watch Sasuke than they are now if it becomes dominated by foreigners, which the show can't afford). This is all quite a dilemma. If it were completely up to me, I'd have them only have ANW every 2 or 3 competitions. On "ANW" competitions (i.e. like 23 or 26), everyone should have to compete for the 10 spots; on "non-ANW" competitions (i.e. like 25), the Americans who cleared in the last "ANW" competition should be allowed to go again via auto invites.
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Jan 6, 2011 21:36:10 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2011 21:36:10 GMT -5
It's a Japanese competition.
Within 5 years, it would be filled with American's.
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Jan 6, 2011 22:02:41 GMT -5
Post by hodgemo2 on Jan 6, 2011 22:02:41 GMT -5
But what if the boot camp turns into even more of a Survivor knock off? What if alliances and scheming put David and Levi up against each other (when they did the best on this hypothetical day in the future) and one of them has to go home, but a weaker member stays? What if the finals goes back to brick carrying? How do brick carrying skills relate to Sasuke?
I do see all sides of the argument, though.
A little bit off topic. As far as the M9 auto-invites go. Once you clear the first stage, are you ALWAYS invited back, or is it only for the next tournament that you get the auto-invite?
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Jan 6, 2011 22:15:23 GMT -5
Post by supersheep on Jan 6, 2011 22:15:23 GMT -5
Well you make a good point about how ANW definately needs to improve its finals and make it more relevant.
If you pass stage 1 you get 1 invite. After that its up to them. If they like you and feel you can add something to the show, you can get invited regardless.
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Jan 6, 2011 23:09:10 GMT -5
Post by arsenette on Jan 6, 2011 23:09:10 GMT -5
Bada Sasuke Trials never got 10 spots to begin with.. at the worst on ONE count it ONE made it to Sasuke and he failed and had to go back to trials. That is literally just one way they fill the spots in Japan for that "qualifier" person they fit in the line up. The line up is filled with various elements to create one whole. You have the All-Stars (anywhere from 2-6), New Stars (i think we are up to.. 6 now? I lost track), Vets group, Joke Group, Comedians, Foreigners, Americans (now with 10 during ANW times which is by far the highest ever for any country because G4 bought those spots), Celebs Athletes and then the rest are filled with whoever they want depending on their theme. Heck that's how all the All-Stars got their spots "invite someone from the country.. invite a fireman.. invite someone blue collar, invite someone from far off Japan, etc. etc." G4 changed the landscape to not just Americans but all other countries trying to invade in this show. It's a Japanese show and yes it should be left to M9 to pick. I despise the way G4 picks them but I DO NOT despise the people who are subject to it. I do want people to get a chance to go to Japan but literally there are others that have been waiting for years and never had a chance. You mentioned Keita and he's a great example. Though it's up to HIM to get the hell out of trials.. he's gotten to the final just about more than anyone in recent memory. I'd wish I could will him in but that's just not going to happen. M9 does not make it easy for him either. He has to survive being picked to even qualify (#5 Yamamoto hasn't been picked in a few Sasuke trials already.. he's not happy). They pick from over 2 THOUSAND entries.. USA is lucky to even have that at ANW. Is it fair? No. But that's the system. Well for the Japanese qualifiers, it depends on how far you get. You clear Stage 1 but fail Stage 2? Yeah, you'll likely have to re-qualify. Clear Stage 2? You'll get a couple extra invites (if not permanent). Clear Stage 3 like Yuuji did after re-qualifying for 22? You're never not getting invited unless you burn a BIG bridge somewhere. Uhm.. where did you hear that STQ'ers after passing stage one had to requalify? EVERYONE who has passed.. regardless of how they got there in the first place get automatic invites. It's called courtesy. This is a GAME SHOW.. not a friggin' Olympics as well. I think again.. people are too enamored that they are "taking up someone's spot". No they are not. G4 got too many spots so far and it's affecting ratings on the main show. Now people want more? I think at this point I'd be happy if ANW just stayed here and left Sasuke alone. If the rumor is true.. this might happen anyway.
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Jan 6, 2011 23:18:11 GMT -5
Post by Badalight on Jan 6, 2011 23:18:11 GMT -5
I just feel like it'd be a bit unfair to those people still trying. I don't like either extremes personally.
1. They get auto invites and less spots are open for the next anw.
2. They have to start from scratch.
I dislike both of those ideas. They deserve something for beating stage 2, but I don't think they themselves would want to bar other americans from competing. There have been a few ideas being tossed around.
The top 3 idea wasn't bad, but still 5 americans beat stage 2, so should Travis be excluded simply because he didn't make stage 3? Also what about Brian, he's definitely proven himself but he was #4 so he wouldn't be included.
That's why there are flaws for that.
Here's how I think it should work.
Scenario 1: Sasuke 27 is before ANW3
Those 5 automatically get re-invited
Scenario 2: Sasuke 27 coincides with ANW3
The 5 people who passed stage 1 either automatically get sent to the semi finals, or the finals of ANW.
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Jan 6, 2011 23:21:07 GMT -5
Post by supersheep on Jan 6, 2011 23:21:07 GMT -5
I just feel like it'd be a bit unfair to those people still trying. I don't like either extremes personally. 1. They get auto invites and less spots are open for the next anw. 2. They have to start from scratch. I dislike both of those ideas. They deserve something for beating stage 2, but I don't think they themselves would want to bar other americans from competing. There have been a few ideas being tossed around. My answer solves both of those problems,
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Jan 6, 2011 23:25:14 GMT -5
Post by Badalight on Jan 6, 2011 23:25:14 GMT -5
The only concern I have with your idea sheep is that the number of americans would be greater than 10.
I think 10 is already a really generous number.
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Jan 6, 2011 23:31:48 GMT -5
Post by supersheep on Jan 6, 2011 23:31:48 GMT -5
You're assuming that the others would be both able and willing to go, and that all 6 that are currently eligable for reinvites don't requalify.
Well it's highly likely that David, Brian, and Levi would all make it, so that cuts it down to 3. So a max of 13, but likely less.
I'm not saying anyone in particular would do this, and I know for a fact at least 2 that cleared never would, but some could say "If I can't win the $ I don't care, I'm not going!" I know David would fork over the money to go over there, and since he earned an invitation from M9, I don't see why he shouldn't collect it if he needed to.
I think everyone wins, that way someone like David gets the opportunity he's earned and wants, and if he can qualify for ANW, he can win the $ and be featured on G4 to. M9 would probably even sponsor him if needed, and I doubt he'd ever complain if G4 didn't want to show him with the other 10. It still leaves open all 10 selections to give everyone out there the chance to prove themselves, so no one is denied.
If G4 and M9 were some how able to collaborate it would definately make things easier.
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Jan 6, 2011 23:33:33 GMT -5
Post by arsenette on Jan 6, 2011 23:33:33 GMT -5
The problem that happened was that M9 lost their rights to how they run invites. It's now G4's ball and that's the part we are all having issues with.
1. Again. I am still pissed that the age is 21.. should be the same worldwide.. and that's high school age (they do 10th-12th so that's approximately 14-15 years old currently though in the past it was younger). G4's lawyers convinced them liability insurance is less for an adult of 21 years old. Again, nothing we can do about that again.
2. Auto invites no longer work again during ANW times.. just look at Levi and Brian.. hello.. they should have NEVER been in there.. then again.. they made Brian reenter ANC way back when so they are at least consistent...
3. If ANW coincides with Sasuke 27 then I still believe if they are going to have 10.. 6 by M9 rules should have auto invites meaning only 4 get a chance through ANW. Will this happen again? Doubtful.. G4 is making money off of ANW and no way in hell will they drop their cashcow. G4 is not interested in fair.. they are interested in Sponsor money and only that happens with a show. THAT is the reality.. if it was fair.. Levi and Brian wouldn't have to reapply and a host of other things would have never happened.
Bottom line. G4 shows no interest in actually picking anyone deserving and a lot of people are lost. Including all the ridiculously good people who are under the age of 21 and the current guys who did awesome but will most likely have to be put back in the cattle call for the sake of the almighty American Dollar.
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Jan 6, 2011 23:33:49 GMT -5
Post by Badalight on Jan 6, 2011 23:33:49 GMT -5
I get what you're saying, that's one of the better solutions I've heard. It's true very few people would take that route. Probably only david, maybe travis would actually pay their way.
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