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ANW 3
Jan 6, 2011 9:49:03 GMT -5
Post by Oti on Jan 6, 2011 9:49:03 GMT -5
Who got there faster? If it ends up being a tie completely, make them both run the trials.
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Lennon
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ANW 3
Jan 6, 2011 10:52:47 GMT -5
Post by Lennon on Jan 6, 2011 10:52:47 GMT -5
Who got there faster? If it ends up being a tie completely, make them both run the trials. Yeah, top 3 seems the best possible way of doing this if we are going to bring people back and not have them go through trials again. I mean, yeah.. I would love for the people who cleared stage 1 have an auto-invite for the next one, but it could just be too much. Yet picking the top 3 or whatever competitors will definitely make it so not all 10 can go back again, and the newcomers will be able to have a shot still.
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ANW 3
Jan 6, 2011 11:09:03 GMT -5
Post by mikessssssss on Jan 6, 2011 11:09:03 GMT -5
I like Badalight's idea. If this was American Sasuke then it'd make perfect sense to bring back people but its not. It's frustrating that David, Levi or Brian might not get a spot but if they were given a free pass to the semi's or something, of ANW, then it would alleviate two problems - possibly. Newcomers would get to prove their worht and veterans would not need to worry about an early exit.
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ANW 3
Jan 6, 2011 13:03:48 GMT -5
Post by RiderLeangle on Jan 6, 2011 13:03:48 GMT -5
This is why I liked the idea of having the Top 3 performers get auto-invites. Apparently you get more controversy if two Americans fail the same obstacle, then what do you do? I think it's a matter of who got farther into the obstacle... Like say for example Okuyama vs. Lee on the UCH in 25 (I know they both were on the UCH in 26.. but for this example I'm using 25), Lee got up the first two ledges and failed almost reaching the third.. Okuyama fell off right as he started.. You can't say "They tied because they failed the same obstacle"
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ANW 3
Jan 6, 2011 13:11:55 GMT -5
Post by arsenette on Jan 6, 2011 13:11:55 GMT -5
I'm still astounded that no one can wrap their heads around the M9 rule.. again.. because YOU want to be in it and want to rip someone out of that spot. So what if all 10 got past the first stage? GOOD FOR THEM! I'll be happy they did it just like all the others from any other country. Just because YOU want to be in it doesn't mean someone has to bow out for you to get back on ANW.. prove yourself like everyone else and then have room to talk. So far this is the ONLY reason why anyone would be opposed to allowing someone who has proven themselves on the COURSE IN JAPAN to not be allowed to return like everyone else around the world does. It's called selfishness folks. Wise up to it.
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ANW 3
Jan 6, 2011 13:23:49 GMT -5
Post by Straticus on Jan 6, 2011 13:23:49 GMT -5
Having to go through the try outs again may make them train harder since it's an added hoop to go through. But if they did get invited back and G4 decided to pay their way will they still be in the running for the 250 grand?? If they want that then it's only fair they go through the try out process again.
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ANW 3
Jan 6, 2011 13:52:46 GMT -5
Post by hodgemo2 on Jan 6, 2011 13:52:46 GMT -5
I think that G4 should give whoever made it to the first stage automatic invites and then hold auditions for the other spots up to 10. For example: in 23, 10 went and 3 passed the first stage (Levi, Brian, Rich). If G4 had an ANW for 25, I think that those 3 should get automatic spots (since they got the automatic invite from Japan), and the other 7 spots are open for the ANW trials. Since G4 didn't hold ANW2 for 25....
In 26, 10 were sent, 5 made it past stage 1. Those 5 should get the automatic spots for the next Sasuke that's run through ANW. The other 5 spots are filled by trials. And so on. It's fair to those who do well, but it doesn't neccesarily lock out the newcomers. People aren't always consistent. Look at Levi's record: Stage 3 in 20, Stage 2 in 21, Stage 1 in 22, Stage 3 in 23, Stage 2 in 25 (I was hoping he would compete in 26 so I could see if the pattern continued; it was time for another Stage 1 fail). Rich made it to stage 2 in 23, but failed stage 1 in 25. And Nagano failed stage 1 in 22, but made it to the final in 23. (add many other examples, of course)
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ANW 3
Jan 6, 2011 14:02:31 GMT -5
Post by supersheep on Jan 6, 2011 14:02:31 GMT -5
Strat does make a good point there, G4 has made it no longer about Sasuke, now its about money to. Like it or not, at least on the American side things changed, an perhaps the policy at least on this side needs to change with it. Very few American game shows invite back winners anymore. The only one I can think of off hand is Jeopardy. Since ANW is technically an American show, I don't think its that insane that they start over each season and pick 10 people, new or not.
Just remember, back around Sasukes 20-22 everyone was griping about how the selection process sucked (G4 auto inviting clears and those that got far) and that they needed to hold real trials and give everyone a chance each time. Now you all got it, and still complaining, so what do you all want?
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ANW 3
Jan 6, 2011 14:16:23 GMT -5
Post by jfeathe on Jan 6, 2011 14:16:23 GMT -5
This is what makes everything so difficult. Some people want NO automatic invites, while others want ALL stage 1 clearers to be given automatic invites. I personally believe in the latter. The top 3 rule would be more fair, but it doesn't solve everything- under that rule, there would be people who made it to the THIRD stage having to start all over again.
Perhaps all first clearers should be invited back as foreigners (think Lee Yen Chi) with no ties to ANW and 10 additional competitors should get a trip through ANW?? That idea sounds worse and worse the more I type...
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ANW 3
Jan 6, 2011 14:23:55 GMT -5
Post by RiderLeangle on Jan 6, 2011 14:23:55 GMT -5
Seeing all these other ideas my idea of having an ANW every other Sasuke doesn't sound so bad anymore...
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ANW 3
Jan 6, 2011 14:26:46 GMT -5
Post by supersheep on Jan 6, 2011 14:26:46 GMT -5
The problem with auto invites + 10 more idea is that its possible that after 10 tournaments all 100 would be ANW competitors. And of course the problem with inviting all the clears back as part of the 10 is that eventually it would get to where 8, 9 or even all 10 clear stage 1 each time and that would make for a pretty lame ANW. G4 is not going to go for that.
I say if the ANW guys can get M9 to invite them and pay for them (or pay for themselves if they are willing) then by all means go for it. I have no problem with that, but I think they should have to forfeit their ties to ANW.
If someone wants to be part of the ANW group I think they should have to follow ANW's rules. If they just go on their own on an M9 invite, I don't think they should be eligable to win the money and I don't think they should be part of the ANW program.
That's probably the best solution, and not only that, you'd get to see whose really there for the competition, and whose just in it for the money and the free trip.
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ANW 3
Jan 6, 2011 14:27:18 GMT -5
Post by yamadakoji on Jan 6, 2011 14:27:18 GMT -5
In my opinion everyone, regardless of what anyone has done in Japan, everyone should have to re-qualify. The reason I feel this way is because a lot can happen (with competitors physically and more importantly mentally) in between ANW trials and Sasuke competitions.
Whats the issue with having to re-qualify? If you did it once you should be able to do it again, bottom line. If you made it stage 3 in Japan than you CERTAINLY should be able to beat the ANW obstacle course. I think it would force competitors to stay on top of their game and in pristine condition, therefor producing better results in Japan. If he (or she) knew they automatically had a free pass then they may become complacent and train hard, but maybe not as hard as they would if had to earn their trip every tournament. One could argue "I wouldn't get complacent" or "Id train harder if I knew for sure I was going" but complacency is 100% mental and 100% uncontrollable and unprovable. Complacency may cause you train a fraction of a percent less hard than you normally would, even if that is only .000067 of a percent, that could be the difference between a pass or a fail on any stage.
Again just my humble opinion, and with complacency being mental and essentially unprovable no one (even a competitor going through it) will ever know if they fell victim to it. Whether or not you go through the trials, you could become complacent you may argue, but why not try to eliminate that from happening as best as humanly possible i.e. staying on top of your game and going through the trials with everyone else.
This would also, as mentioned above, open up the 10 spot American roster (if that's the limit) to new talent and hopefully push the all-stars to perform at an even higher level to re-qualify for Japan. Which would increase the odds of success in Japan because the competition here would be much more fierce and unpredictable with everyone having to qualify for a trip.
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ANW 3
Jan 6, 2011 14:43:36 GMT -5
Post by hodgemo2 on Jan 6, 2011 14:43:36 GMT -5
The problem with auto invites + 10 more idea is that its possible that after 10 tournaments all 100 would be ANW competitors. And of course the problem with inviting all the clears back as part of the 10 is that eventually it would get to where 8, 9 or even all 10 clear stage 1 each time and that would make for a pretty lame ANW. G4 is not going to go for that. I don't think it would ever get that far (not that I think it should ever really be more than 10 Americans in sasuke). And I don't think that once you clear stage one you automatically ALWAYS get an invite back. You clear in 23, get an invite in 24. You DON'T clear in 24, you have to qualify for 25. People always have off days and bad runs so I don't think that it would clog up all the time. I think it would be a nice mix of people (reinvited and qualified). At the same time, I do see the 'benefit' of always having to qualify and keeping people at the top of their game.... Seeing all these other ideas my idea of having an ANW every other Sasuke doesn't sound so bad anymore... That would be pretty cool, especially if the clears got the autoinvite on the off tournaments. 26=ANW3 (10 spots) 27=auto invite to 5 stage 1 clears 28=ANW4 (10 spots) 29= auto invite to 28's stage 1 clears
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ANW 3
Jan 6, 2011 15:04:44 GMT -5
Post by bigblind168 on Jan 6, 2011 15:04:44 GMT -5
The 5 who cleared stage 1, then 5 spots. The way I thinik ANW should work is like this: 10 to Japan. Say 4 clear. Next ANW there are still 10 spots, but 4 are taken by the 4 stage one clearers. Then say in that sasuke only 1 person clears stage 1. Then the next anw, that one person has a garenteed spot on sasuke.
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ANW 3
Jan 6, 2011 16:36:57 GMT -5
Post by TCM on Jan 6, 2011 16:36:57 GMT -5
The problem with auto invites + 10 more idea is that its possible that after 10 tournaments all 100 would be ANW competitors. And of course the problem with inviting all the clears back as part of the 10 is that eventually it would get to where 8, 9 or even all 10 clear stage 1 each time and that would make for a pretty lame ANW. G4 is not going to go for that. I don't think it would ever get that far (not that I think it should ever really be more than 10 Americans in sasuke). And I don't think that once you clear stage one you automatically ALWAYS get an invite back. You clear in 23, get an invite in 24. You DON'T clear in 24, you have to qualify for 25. People always have off days and bad runs so I don't think that it would clog up all the time. I think it would be a nice mix of people (reinvited and qualified). At the same time, I do see the 'benefit' of always having to qualify and keeping people at the top of their game.... Well for the Japanese qualifiers, it depends on how far you get. You clear Stage 1 but fail Stage 2? Yeah, you'll likely have to re-qualify. Clear Stage 2? You'll get a couple extra invites (if not permanent). Clear Stage 3 like Yuuji did after re-qualifying for 22? You're never not getting invited unless you burn a BIG bridge somewhere.
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ANW 3
Jan 6, 2011 16:44:07 GMT -5
Post by RiderLeangle on Jan 6, 2011 16:44:07 GMT -5
We're not sure on that final stage thing... Technically in 22 he cleared stage 1, and 23 he cleared stage 1, those were invites to 24, he got Kanzenseiha and NOW he's set for life..
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ANW 3
Jan 6, 2011 16:52:35 GMT -5
Post by TCM on Jan 6, 2011 16:52:35 GMT -5
Well no one really has been "demoted" of sorts to the qualifying process after clearing Stage 3, even after a bit of an absence.
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ANW 3
Jan 6, 2011 16:55:32 GMT -5
Post by RiderLeangle on Jan 6, 2011 16:55:32 GMT -5
Well if you pass stage 1 you have a standing invite, That's their system
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ANW 3
Jan 6, 2011 16:57:48 GMT -5
Post by supersheep on Jan 6, 2011 16:57:48 GMT -5
Thats M9's system not G4's system. ANW =/= Sasuke, G4 has gone out of their way to make sure of it, so why should they be bound by their rules?
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ANW 3
Jan 6, 2011 17:14:22 GMT -5
Post by RiderLeangle on Jan 6, 2011 17:14:22 GMT -5
Thats M9's system not G4's system. ANW =/= Sasuke, G4 has gone out of their way to make sure of it, so why should they be bound by their rules? I was talking about M9's rules... if you pass stage 1 they invite you back.. So say one of the 5 to clear in 26 got screwed by G4 somehow.. technically wouldn't they be able to pay their own way?
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