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Jan 5, 2011 22:50:04 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2011 22:50:04 GMT -5
And a spot in ANW is..? As I recall, they turned down quite a few people that second day. Oti, If you made it on Sasuke 26, your almost guaranteed to get another chance at ANW3. Look at Patrick. Let's say he was Japanese, and failed the 3rd obstacle. Now, if he want's to make it back on Sasuke, he needs to beg and plead. Luck is the only way for him. However, since he's an American, if he applied his skills, and only his skills, he could make it to Sasuke 27. Japanese Patrick - Needs luck. American Patrick - Needs skill. I'm sure there are alot of Japanese competitors who wish they lived in America, simply because everyone has a fair shot in making it, as opposed to not knowing if M9 will invite you back a second time.
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Jan 5, 2011 22:58:11 GMT -5
Post by scnoi1217 on Jan 5, 2011 22:58:11 GMT -5
Plus, M9 has a selection process before their trials so even if you apply for the trials, your not guaranteed to get a chance to prove yourself. Also, M9 is really inconsistent with staging trials.
G4 while not perfect is consistent and constantly getting better with their trials. Plus, it seems that all you need to compete is a video and your guaranteed a chance to qualify. Same cannot be said for Japanese trial guys.
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ANW 3
Jan 5, 2011 23:05:13 GMT -5
Post by Oti on Jan 5, 2011 23:05:13 GMT -5
You guys are right. Hopefully G4's trials don't become like Japan's one day.
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ANW 3
Jan 5, 2011 23:27:51 GMT -5
Post by RiderLeangle on Jan 5, 2011 23:27:51 GMT -5
If a Japanese guy fails the 3rd obstacle, he won't come back. I'm sorry but what were you saying?I'm assuming you don't mean like replacement trials (Like they don't have a trials for one tournament and invite the trial guys from last time), or if you do I'm sorry but what were you saying?Neither one of them made it to the third obstacle and yet they still made it back...
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Jan 5, 2011 23:35:56 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2011 23:35:56 GMT -5
I knew Rider was going to give me an obscure example, when we all know not all 100 are invited back. Alot of people make it a few obstacles in, and don't get invited.
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ANW 3
Jan 5, 2011 23:37:32 GMT -5
Post by Badalight on Jan 5, 2011 23:37:32 GMT -5
Rider, I believe those 2 were probably invited back because they won the trials the previous year, and the following Sasuke they had no trials, so they probably just invited back the winners from last time.
Though that's probably what you're implying anyway.
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ANW 3
Jan 5, 2011 23:41:34 GMT -5
Post by RiderLeangle on Jan 5, 2011 23:41:34 GMT -5
I knew Rider was going to give me an obscure example, when we all know not all 100 are invited back. Alot of people make it a few obstacles in, and don't get invited. How exactly are they Obscure examples? Sato Jun is a Shin Sei member and cleared stage 1 in 23, 24 and 25.. And Kishimoto we've been following his youtube account for a while now...
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ANW 3
Jan 5, 2011 23:42:50 GMT -5
Post by RiderLeangle on Jan 5, 2011 23:42:50 GMT -5
Rider, I believe those 2 were probably invited back because they won the trials the previous year, and the following Sasuke they had no trials, so they probably just invited back the winners from last time. Though that's probably what you're implying anyway. Shinya yes.. but in 21 Jun failed the Log Grip.. He re-qualified through the trials for Sasuke 23 and cleared stage 1... so he was invited to 24 anyways so your explanation is bad...
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Jan 5, 2011 23:43:33 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2011 23:43:33 GMT -5
I knew Rider was going to give me an obscure example, when we all know not all 100 are invited back. Alot of people make it a few obstacles in, and don't get invited. How exactly are they Obscure examples? Sato Jun is a Shin Sei member and cleared stage 1 in 23, 24 and 25.. And Kishimoto we've been following his youtube account for a while now... Because you're ignoring the hundreds of others through the 26 competitions that got to go to Sasuke once, fail the 3rd obstacle, and never get invited back.
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Jan 5, 2011 23:45:30 GMT -5
Post by RiderLeangle on Jan 5, 2011 23:45:30 GMT -5
How exactly are they Obscure examples? Sato Jun is a Shin Sei member and cleared stage 1 in 23, 24 and 25.. And Kishimoto we've been following his youtube account for a while now... Because you're ignoring the hundreds of others through the 26 competitions that got to go to Sasuke once, fail the 3rd obstacle, and never get invited back. Dude... Those were just two examples off the top of my head...
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Jan 5, 2011 23:47:16 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2011 23:47:16 GMT -5
Because you're ignoring the hundreds of others through the 26 competitions that got to go to Sasuke once, fail the 3rd obstacle, and never get invited back. Dude... Those were just two examples off the top of my head... Yeah, there's obviously going to be exceptions to what I'm saying. I don't understand. Are you disagreeing with me or what? I don't get your point.
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ANW 3
Jan 6, 2011 1:31:03 GMT -5
Post by VenusHeadTrap on Jan 6, 2011 1:31:03 GMT -5
Since America gets 10 and only 10 spots, it's probably deemed unfair that Ninja Warriors who passed Stage 1 will get to automatically go back, which doesn't give other Americans a chance. Had they established this policy early on, there would have been only 7 spots available in ANW2 and only 5 would be available in ANW3.
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ANW 3
Jan 6, 2011 2:07:17 GMT -5
Post by venomcarnage89 on Jan 6, 2011 2:07:17 GMT -5
I personally think that those Americans that prove themselves really should get auto invites as long as they continue to do good, by-passing ANW completely. But they should be there because of TBS and M9 and have nothing to do with G4, just being competitors that happen to be American. Then ANW continues to bring 10 people over on top of that. I don't get why there can only be 10 "Americans" in the tournament at once, but 10 G4 sponsored Americans on the otherhand... that should stick to only being 10 yes.
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Jan 6, 2011 2:34:36 GMT -5
Post by arsenette on Jan 6, 2011 2:34:36 GMT -5
I say no as well. I think people have to get their heads out of their rear ends when they justify NOT allowing someone who just passed the first stage because they are taking the spot of someone unproven. Ya'll need to grow up. If they proved themselves they deserve a shot. EVERYONE ELSE GETS THAT. PERIOD. Why should an American be penalized for doing well? Think about it. If it was YOUR spot you'd be hoping mad as well. It's not the competitor's fault they are part of G4. In the past TBS has paid for those people who got invites back (Hello.. Lee). In the absence of ANW3 (if a tourney is squeezed in between that) the 5 that passed should go. Period. Wait.. that's 6 with Levi. He has a standing invite from being in the 2nd stage the last time he went. Everyone else has to wait their turn. The Japanese game show is an invite only event. Get used to it.
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ANW 3
Jan 6, 2011 2:59:39 GMT -5
Post by RiderLeangle on Jan 6, 2011 2:59:39 GMT -5
The best solution should be only having an ANW every other Sasuke assuming there were clears.. As of ANW you go through that, then the tournament after that G4 sends the clears who have a TBS invite, Then the next tournament have an ANW... yes that still is a flawed system but it's better than nothing...
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Jan 6, 2011 3:03:54 GMT -5
Post by arsenette on Jan 6, 2011 3:03:54 GMT -5
The 10 competitors are only tied to ANW directly. That's how G4 buys their spots on the lineup. If there is no ANW between them it will only comprise of those who passed before. That's so far the set up for the past year. I don't see them changing that. As for what G4 HAS been doing.. is throwing everyone back in Trials even though they've proven themselves over and over again. That's just asine but that's what everyone wanted.. G4 picking.
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ANW 3
Jan 6, 2011 6:23:20 GMT -5
Post by intelligentinfer on Jan 6, 2011 6:23:20 GMT -5
They gotta have to qualify again (hope so).
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ANW 3
Jan 6, 2011 8:06:36 GMT -5
Post by Badalight on Jan 6, 2011 8:06:36 GMT -5
I say no as well. I think people have to get their heads out of their rear ends when they justify NOT allowing someone who just passed the first stage because they are taking the spot of someone unproven. Ya'll need to grow up. If they proved themselves they deserve a shot. EVERYONE ELSE GETS THAT. PERIOD. Why should an American be penalized for doing well? Think about it. If it was YOUR spot you'd be hoping mad as well. It's not the competitor's fault they are part of G4. In the past TBS has paid for those people who got invites back (Hello.. Lee). In the absence of ANW3 (if a tourney is squeezed in between that) the 5 that passed should go. Period. Wait.. that's 6 with Levi. He has a standing invite from being in the 2nd stage the last time he went. Everyone else has to wait their turn. The Japanese game show is an invite only event. Get used to it. The biggest problem with that is the big "what if scenario". What if all 10 passed stage 1? So there simply wouldn't be anymore ANW's because those 10 have already proven themselves? What if there are better athletes that come along but they simply never get the chance because the spots are full? I think it's a pretty awful idea to give them automatic invites, but I also don't like them having to do the entire thing over again because they HAVE proven themselves. That's why you need some sort of halfway solution. I thought it'd be a good idea for them to automatically get sent to the semi's. So because they performed well, they are getting credit for it and are automatically in the top 30, but they don't instantly go back to japan without proving themselves once again against other top athletes.
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ANW 3
Jan 6, 2011 8:35:31 GMT -5
Post by quasikoz on Jan 6, 2011 8:35:31 GMT -5
The 10 competitors are only tied to ANW directly. That's how G4 buys their spots on the lineup. If there is no ANW between them it will only comprise of those who passed before. That's so far the set up for the past year. I don't see them changing that. As for what G4 HAS been doing.. is throwing everyone back in Trials even though they've proven themselves over and over again. That's just asine but that's what everyone wanted.. G4 picking. That would be great if TBS/M9 were bringing over the 10 Americans and using their auto-invite standard should they clear Stage 1. But we go through G4, and therefore the standards are different. I don't disagree that people who clear Stage 1 deserve another shot to come back and try again. But since there are only so many spots open to Americans, it bottleneck's the process if we have too many clears. This is why I liked the idea of having the Top 3 performers get auto-invites. That leaves 7 spots to everyone from Joe Schmoe to Shane Daniels to re-qualify. It rewards America's top performers with auto-invites and leaves enough open spots to bring in fresh meat to qualify.
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ANW 3
Jan 6, 2011 9:11:37 GMT -5
Post by VenusHeadTrap on Jan 6, 2011 9:11:37 GMT -5
This is why I liked the idea of having the Top 3 performers get auto-invites. Apparently you get more controversy if two Americans fail the same obstacle, then what do you do?
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