Lennon
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Jan 5, 2011 12:35:12 GMT -5
Post by Lennon on Jan 5, 2011 12:35:12 GMT -5
Guys.. has it occurred to you that maybe.. Japan is tired of obstacle courses? You know.. that happens. I know I am not tired of them.. and the hardcore aren't either... but in the grand scheme of things.. this is 'old' especially in Japan. You also don't have a lot of named celebrities like you used to. Heck.. I even read from a post board that they missed people like Kane Kosugi who was GOOD and a celeb and it was a nice balance between him and no named people. It makes sense the argument. So far no one has come close to what he accomplished.. getting to the final and bringing all of his fans along for the ride. Last time I checked.. there isn't anyone like that helping carry the show.. just the no named people that have become the All-Stars but even still.. they are what Ube calls "Sasuke famous".. they need talented real celebs that can actually get far on this course. That I think is the only thing that might save the show. That makes perfect sense. The only reason it was soo successful before was because Kane Kosugi was able to go so far in the course by himself! And yeah, the only way to get good ratings again is probably have someone around who is just about as famous who can at least clear the first stage if not the second stage regularly. Though, it seems pretty difficult to find any sort of celeb who is willing to even participate in Sasuke these days.
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Jan 5, 2011 12:36:31 GMT -5
Post by RiderLeangle on Jan 5, 2011 12:36:31 GMT -5
Hell.. the closest we've had to a big name on Sasuke was Naoto and he went out on the HPA... Closest we've had to a celebrity who can do good is a guy from a kids show who clearly can't be popular (ESPECIALLY here... UNLESS it's for a C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!!! joke....)
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Jan 5, 2011 16:41:31 GMT -5
Post by jfeathe on Jan 5, 2011 16:41:31 GMT -5
The current perception of the Sasuke course is that only elite competitors can make it through the first stage. It used to be where the "average everyday person" could make it through.
If they would bring back the much easier first stage, it would create the illusion of popular celebrities making it far in the course. Think if they showed a preview/commercial of the EXILE guy actually on the second stage. That would create an enormous buzz.
We would also get females like Luci Romberg and Rie Komiya into the second stage which I would think would be a HUGE selling point.
At that point, I don't think people would care how they do. Just having a huge name in Stage 2 would be amazing.
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Jan 5, 2011 16:52:24 GMT -5
Post by mikessssssss on Jan 5, 2011 16:52:24 GMT -5
The current perception of the Sasuke course is that only elite competitors can make it through the first stage. It used to be where the "average everyday person" could make it through. If they would bring back the much easier first stage, it would create the illusion of popular celebrities making it far in the course. Think if they showed a preview/commercial of the EXILE guy actually on the second stage. That would create an enormous buzz. We would also get females like Luci Romberg and Rie Komiya into the second stage which I would think would be a HUGE selling point. At that point, I don't think people would care how they do. Just having a huge name in Stage 2 would be amazing. What Arsenette is saying is that this still wouldn't help because the all-stars of sasuke are only famous within sasuke circles. Unless you get another Kane Kosugi then then most average people wouldn't really care. I agree with you though, and i said all of what you're saying before, but in lieu of what Arsenette has highlighted it seems as if a this wouldn't be enough. Although it would only help.
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Jan 5, 2011 17:03:04 GMT -5
Post by jfeathe on Jan 5, 2011 17:03:04 GMT -5
The current perception of the Sasuke course is that only elite competitors can make it through the first stage. It used to be where the "average everyday person" could make it through. If they would bring back the much easier first stage, it would create the illusion of popular celebrities making it far in the course. Think if they showed a preview/commercial of the EXILE guy actually on the second stage. That would create an enormous buzz. We would also get females like Luci Romberg and Rie Komiya into the second stage which I would think would be a HUGE selling point. At that point, I don't think people would care how they do. Just having a huge name in Stage 2 would be amazing. What Arsenette is saying is that this still wouldn't help because the all-stars of sasuke are only famous within sasuke circles. Unless you get another Kane Kosugi then then most average people wouldn't really care. I agree with you though, and i said all of what you're saying before, but in lieu of what Arsenette has highlighted it seems as if a this wouldn't be enough. Although it would only help. But unless they completely revert to the ENTIRE Sasuke 8 course, then we'll never see a celebrity in the final again. Kane was incredible and my next comment is in no way meant to minimize what he did, but I don't think he'd be in the finals with the current course. At best, he'd be another Naoki Iketani who was right with him results wise in the early competitions. He'd probably clear the first stage, but then would struggle mightily early on in the second stage. I think the most we can ask for are big names in the second stage.
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Jan 5, 2011 17:23:03 GMT -5
Post by mikessssssss on Jan 5, 2011 17:23:03 GMT -5
I completely agree, but there is still opposition to a 'dumbing down' of stage one which i can acknowledge even though i don't agree with it. Right now anything would help so i guess we should try and plaster up the holes in our balloons and get them floating again.
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Jan 5, 2011 17:29:09 GMT -5
Post by TCM on Jan 5, 2011 17:29:09 GMT -5
What Arsenette is saying is that this still wouldn't help because the all-stars of sasuke are only famous within sasuke circles. Unless you get another Kane Kosugi then then most average people wouldn't really care. I agree with you though, and i said all of what you're saying before, but in lieu of what Arsenette has highlighted it seems as if a this wouldn't be enough. Although it would only help. But unless they completely revert to the ENTIRE Sasuke 8 course, then we'll never see a celebrity in the final again. Kane was incredible and my next comment is in no way meant to minimize what he did, but I don't think he'd be in the finals with the current course. At best, he'd be another Naoki Iketani who was right with him results wise in the early competitions. He'd probably clear the first stage, but then would struggle mightily early on in the second stage. I think the most we can ask for are big names in the second stage. I would love a big name further than halfway into Stage 1, but the reason Kane likely wouldn't get far if he returned is because he's been gone for a decade come September. Look at Omori, he was gone for 8 years before 23 and only made as JS and hasn't been seen since 24, and he was the first consistent guy (Nagano is the only guy to have as many Final Stage appearances as him, regardless of difficulty). It's just frivolous to say a statement like that in my opinion. It's like not watching a movie you once liked for a while and trying to repeat the script. It'll be a long shot to say it word for word. I guess what I'm trying to say is it's bigger of a risk to make it too hard or too easy. Too hard and you'll get a 19, too easy and you might even insult people how easy it is to the point they may not take it seriously and tune out.
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arsenette
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Post by arsenette on Jan 6, 2011 2:37:35 GMT -5
That's why I said "another"..
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Post by roy on Jan 6, 2011 6:44:23 GMT -5
I agree with toning down the 1st stage, despite how sacrilegious it may seem. But I only say this in support of an attempt to get higher ratings. Think of the big names they could advertise- that exile guy, daisuke miyazaki, all-stars all into the 2nd stage. Clearly, guys like Naoto could clear an early stage 1. Heck, I'm willing to say that anyone who clears the jumping spider could finish an old stage 1.
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Post by lars072 on Jan 6, 2011 7:37:17 GMT -5
I think like Arsenette said, we need to see the ratings throughout the night. It's highly unlikely, but perhaps when EXILE went out, the ratings crashed. If that's the case, they might need to refocus the design of Sasuke to allow more people through to the second stage like Kunoichi 8 did (I can't believe that I'm saying this). I'm not meaning a trials style course, but instead literally reverting back to the Sasuke 8 (or so) first stage. That proposal sounds rediculous, but in the past, competitors with the same amount of skill as the EXILE guy quite often made it to the second stage. We might have 40 clears, but that could be all for the better. As a bonus, think of all the hilarious Salmon Ladder attempts we would see As a result, they could boost the second stage up in difficulty (they desperately need to) so only the elite few still get to stage 3 so that we still have a normal 4-8 3rd stage competitors. I agree with what you are saying to an extent. However, I don't think we need to go to those My biggest complaint with that is why does the 2nd Stage need to get harder? It's already hard enough so that only the elite and trained get through. Look at 26, and look how the Muscle Musical guys did, it was clear that they didn't have the strength to beat it. Remember Takeda in 25? He couldn't do the DSL either and he's one of the greatest competitors ever. Now think about joe schmo clearing the easy Stage 1, he's gonna get eaten by the Salmon Ladder somewhere. If we had 20 or even 40 people the current 2nd Stage would be a slaughter fest where probably only the people who have been to a Shin-SASUKE Third Stage would clear. People in pretty good shape such as the MM members are failing it now, so are Shin-Sedai and many other elite. Every obstacle and even the time limit is pretty hard for the stage. Making it HARDER than it is now would just make it worse and you'll have people like Nagano or Yuuji failing there, instead of getting to the Third and Final Stages. Nerfing the course back to SASUKE 8 will result in a ton of clears. However, having too many clears and you get clear digests (as seen in 23/26). More clears than that and you'll start to get into clear cuts. So people like NAOTO will be highlighted like crazy as he fails the Salmon Ladder while a lesser known person, like Tajima will get cut until he is seen failing like they did in the early SASUKEs. Then you'll get us fans here saying, "Oh! There's Tajima! He made the Third Stage? I didn't see him. Oh...he failed the UCH." Which I guarantee people will hate just as much as if his whole run got cut. What they should do to keep the integrity of the show while also making it enjoyable to watch is have tournaments like SASUKE 23, imo one of the best tournaments in recent memory and easily the most enjoyable to watch (in terms of results, editing, and flow of the broadcast). Have a First Stage that has a fairly lenient time limit, obstacles that are challenging but not difficult and you'll get good results. That way, the fastest can blitz through the course (think Levi in 23) and even if you make a mistake on the HPA or WW, you can recover and still clear (like Yuuji and Kanno). I totally agree with this last point. SASUKE 23 was the most enjoyable since 17 and they should model future comps. after it.
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Jan 9, 2011 17:21:27 GMT -5
Post by Badalight on Jan 9, 2011 17:21:27 GMT -5
Any breakdown yet? Was TBS happy with the ratings?
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Jan 9, 2011 21:19:30 GMT -5
Post by VenusHeadTrap on Jan 9, 2011 21:19:30 GMT -5
Personally I would like to see the ratings number finally be put on the Sasukepedia page for 26. Wasn't it 9.0 overall?
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Jan 9, 2011 21:21:33 GMT -5
Post by Badalight on Jan 9, 2011 21:21:33 GMT -5
Yup, but I don't believe the breakdown was ever posted. I wonder if everyone left after stage 1, or there simply wasn't anyone watching to begin with.
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Jan 9, 2011 21:27:37 GMT -5
Post by RiderLeangle on Jan 9, 2011 21:27:37 GMT -5
After 25 we should just be happy that we got a 9 at all.. Also I'm guessing alot of viewers were Exile fans who turned it off after Naoto was done... XD
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Jan 9, 2011 21:30:46 GMT -5
Post by Badalight on Jan 9, 2011 21:30:46 GMT -5
After 25 we should just be happy that we got a 9 at all.. Also I'm guessing alot of viewers were Exile fans who turned it off after Naoto was done... XD That would be a safe bet, but it's possible it was a 9 all along. At the very least even if they did tune out after Naoto left, I want to see how much of a difference it made.
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Jan 9, 2011 21:55:28 GMT -5
Post by scnoi1217 on Jan 9, 2011 21:55:28 GMT -5
Personally I would like to see the ratings number finally be put on the Sasukepedia page for 26. Wasn't it 9.0 overall? You could also add it in yourself, you know instead of complaining about it
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Jan 9, 2011 22:06:26 GMT -5
Post by arsenette on Jan 9, 2011 22:06:26 GMT -5
Don't believe it's out yet. I do know when I posted back to TBS asking why a 9.0% in Japan is considered a failure and 0.3% in the USA is ZOMG hot.. and they didn't dispute it.. just said that it's different because it's Japan/USA and cable/network.. the fact that they didn't say Sasuke wasn't a failure bothered me.. Plus other places hearing that M9 was not happy with not breaking double digits.. I'm worried.. again..
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Jan 9, 2011 22:08:25 GMT -5
Post by VenusHeadTrap on Jan 9, 2011 22:08:25 GMT -5
Personally I would like to see the ratings number finally be put on the Sasukepedia page for 26. Wasn't it 9.0 overall? You could also add it in yourself, you know instead of complaining about it Read that post again, did I sound, at all, agitated? Well I did already try editing the front page, but wherever you go to edit that side panel (that has the Announcers and Best Result and whatnot) is not easy to find. I don't see it anywhere, so the people who practically built the page should be the ones to add the info.
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Jan 16, 2011 2:26:24 GMT -5
Post by arsenette on Jan 16, 2011 2:26:24 GMT -5
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Jan 16, 2011 5:00:26 GMT -5
Post by lostinube on Jan 16, 2011 5:00:26 GMT -5
It wasn't categorized as Variety. It was under Sports. Variety is the last category. If it were variety it wouldn't have placed.
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