Using feet on the Ascending Climb

[murdog83]

I have read from some that it is against the rules to use your feet on the Ascending Climb. Yet, anyone who watched Sasuke 21 clearly saw Takeda using his foot on the rocks in an attempt to make it up. I did not read anything in the subtitles that would indicate he was disqualified because of this. In fact, it sounded like the commentator was urging him on. So if he wasn't disqualified why are people saying that it is against the rules to use your feet?

[RiderLeangle]

It was illegal on the Ascending Climb. but its legal on the Hang Climbing, no one reached the Ascending climb so the point is moot.

And they still cheer you on until the end where they tell you you're disqualifed, Watch Yamada in stage 2 in Sasuke 12, they see he left his gloves on but didn't stop him.

[murdog83]

Ah yes, Hang Climb, my mistake. Thanks.

Ha, ya, I guess that's true about Yamada.

[RiderLeangle]

And technicly the person who "confirmed" you couldn't use your legs on the Ascending Climb was Levi, and I don't think he knows japanese.
And if someone fails they usually don't bring up the disqualification, I still want to know if that construction worker in 17 who skipped one of the steps would be allowed to go to stage 2 if he passed (instead of failing the Circle Slider)

[murdog83]

I have not seen the seventeenth tournament unfortunately (and believe me I want to see it very badly), but I would be quite upset if they disqualified him for "skipping a step." I'm not sure, but I think you might be referring to the Sextuple Step. If so, I don't think it should be an issue. If someone were to jump from the fourth step to the mat, it would be harder, not easier. I wouldn't care if some stud decided to jump from the start all the way across the steps to the finish in one leap. The steps should be there as options you can use that make the task easier. If it's easier to skip a part of the course, rather than go through the obstacle, then the designers have made a poor obstacle and the athlete should be rewarded for his/her ingenuity. That is my opinion.

I spend a lot of time rock climbing and at competitions there are set "routes" you have to do for points (to win). The routes are set up so that you have a limited number of options to use. If a competitor decides to skip some of the rocks and go straight to the finish, then that is fine (since it should be a harder way), so long as the competitor does not use something outside of the route. If the "short cut" is in fact easier, then that is the fault of the designer and not the competitor. That's how it works in the climbing competitions I've been to and it seems fair to me, so I think Sasuke should adopt the rule.

[RiderLeangle]

Well for the Sextuple Steps what the guy did was jump to the first, jump to the second, run to the 4th, jumped to the 5th to the mat.

[davidyko]

A slight tangent: during Yamada's run you can hear some people shouting "TAKE OFF THE DAMN GLOVES" when Yamada is at the Spider Walk.

Another tangent: I remember in Sasuke 9 (I think) when this Indian guy tried to get through the Quintuple Steps using only the two steps on the left side. Needless to say, he failed, but I wonder if he would've been DQ'd if he'd made it. (I dunno if that rule existed in 9).

But yeah, there's never been any mention of no feet on the Hang Climbing. If so, Nagano would've been DQ'd as well.

[RiderLeangle]

I think Nagano would have been Disqualified anyways for putting his foot into the metal of the Spider Flip during his rest.

[Ninja Chris]

Why? They never said he couldn't, did they?

[RiderLeangle]

Isn't that technicly off the course? I mean you can't just go across the supports of the Jumping Bars and use the logic "Well its connected to the bars!".

[scnoi1217]

It connected to the actual obstacle and it wasn't a clear out of bounds (I don't think it's out of bounds at all). Plus, if he did go out of bounds, Nagano or one of the producers would have disqualified him.

Also to get on topic, if you watch Nagano only used his feet on the Hang Climbing once he reached the Spider Flip, he didn't use his feet before that.

[murdog83]

Dec 16, 2008 15:43:12 GMT -5 scnoi1217 said:

Also to get on topic, if you watch Nagano only used his feet on the Hang Climbing once he reached the Spider Flip, he didn't use his feet before that.

I'm not sure if this is related to my original post, but I was referring to Takeda putting his feet on the rocks. Would he have been disqualified? I could see them having it be a "hands only" obstacle, but whenever I go rock climbing I always use my feet to save energy, so it's kind of sending mixed messages to put the rock climbing holds on and not let you use your feet. That's my opinion anyways.

[arsenette]

My take on it is that if it was illegal we would hear about it by now. Granted Takeda fell into the water but still they would mention something. Kinda like Katsumi with his stupid gloves and Nagano with his hand on the cliffhanger.. they are real sticklers about being fair to everyone so maybe there will be some notation for the next year? So far only 2 people have gotten that far and one used his feet (but he fell).. hmm.. maybe they weren't supposed to but since he fell it was kinda moot? I would have thought someone would have yelled at him to stop using his feet.. but the only yelling was Nagano telling him to get out of the left side.

[murdog83]

Yes, arsenette, this is exactly what I was trying to say originally. I know that they don't tell you until you fall/finish usually, but as you mentioned nobody was yelling at Takeda to get his foot off. You'd think if it was illegal then someone would have said something during the ten or maybe more seconds he was hanging up on it. If it is legal, then I would hope that Nagano would save some strength for the Gliding Ring by using his feet here.

[obakemono]

It would seem a bit cruel to put rock climbing grips and then not let you use your feet, plus you were allowed to use your feet on the Climbing Bars so I don't see why not here.

[RiderLeangle]

Like its said before, they only make it known that you're disqualified unless you pass the stage, and Takeda never made it through stage 3 so the point is moot.

[obakemono]

The only example we have of that is Yamada in Sasuke 12. Travis Schraeder was DQ'd immediately in 4 and the same goes for anyone whose feet touch the water at any stage.

Besides, the competitors know the rules. I'm sure a lot of people would try using their feet, so if there was a specific 'no feet' rule, they would have made it clear, and there's no way Takeda would have attempted it.

[davidyko]

And also: everyone knew you had to take off the gloves in 12. (As seen by the All-Stars yelling "TAKE OFF THE DAMN GLOVES" in the background.) Yamada just had a mental error then, and I'm sure he'd realized he'd probably be DQ'd at the end (if you watch his reaction, he's hardly surprised), so then he tried to cover it by saying he didn't know.

[obakemono]

I always thought he did it on purpose and hoped to get away with it. He was actually wearing his own gloves rather than the usual generic white ones.

[davidyko]

Mm, could be as well. Though that would've been a remarkably stupid move on his part.