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Post by RiderLeangle on Dec 16, 2010 21:08:29 GMT -5
I managed to get caught up... And I have to say this.. I like the concept of the boot camp and how the elimination is Rope Climbing.. But the whole Teams and Penalties system seems stupid, Also the editing could be better, they didn't need to make it a reality show, And they don't need the "pressure challenges" at all.. While I can see the training you can get from those challenges but they really aren't Sasuke relevant really.. OK the Tarzan Rope thing was but the human flag one was pointless... But this is still light years better than ANW1's brick-stacking unexplained-rules thing...
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Post by arsenette on Dec 16, 2010 21:13:33 GMT -5
Yeah but... with the current format of not having a time limit, I'm not sure of what else they could've done. No.... just read David's post.. if they KNEW that it was at a certain place.. they would have moved faster to GET to that place.. Strat said that way back in August when it happened and HE was eliminated. I still think getting to the Salmon Ladder success/fail would have fixed a lot.
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Post by Badalight on Dec 16, 2010 21:22:53 GMT -5
Yeah but... with the current format of not having a time limit, I'm not sure of what else they could've done. No.... just read David's post.. if they KNEW that it was at a certain place.. they would have moved faster to GET to that place.. Strat said that way back in August when it happened and HE was eliminated. I still think getting to the Salmon Ladder success/fail would have fixed a lot. Read MY post. I already said they should've made the ruling CLEAR. And what constitutes as getting to the salmon ladder? Touching the trampoling? Touching the bar? What happens if you can't hold on? I think the "simple" way out was to go by the last obstacles the actually completed.
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Post by arsenette on Dec 16, 2010 21:26:00 GMT -5
Eh disagree there (on last completed). I preferred the couple rungs up since they had to do a tramp to even GET there.. quite a few had issues with that transition. Heck.. Brian O was given a gift using the exact ruling that I was proposing.. he GOT to the ring but couldn't hold on.. same could be used for Salmon Ladder. Got it but lost grip is still better than the mighty airball Still even with that foul up as David pointed out we did get good competitors in there... and I still enjoyed the presentation for the Venice beach stuff.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Dec 16, 2010 21:27:28 GMT -5
I think they should use a mix of what they used and what you're saying.. If you made it to the Salmon Ladder and up it in better time comparatively... Like better time of those who get to the Salmon Ladder (BTW... Sorry about suggesting this Shane )
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Post by jfeathe on Dec 16, 2010 21:42:32 GMT -5
To make it completely fair, the top 15 should have been based on distance alone.
For example, failing the trampoline to get on the Salmon Ladder should not equal failing the final rung.
IMHO, you shouldn't be able to make the top 15 by simply rerunning the abbreviated preliminary course fast enough which is how quite a few people ended up qualifying. This is the reason why there are some surprisingly underqualified people who made it to boot camp (but by NO means bad athletes.)
I still wish they had enacted a time limit- 1:15 for the original course and 2:30 for the legthened course sounds fair.
The qualifiying method from top 30 to top 15 is really my only problem. The course, production style, and yes, I'll admit, the reality-show style of the boot camp are all awesome.
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Post by Badalight on Dec 16, 2010 21:58:33 GMT -5
To make it completely fair, the top 15 should have been based on distance alone. This has been said multiple times and it's a BAD idea. Based on distance alone? So are you saying someone can take 6 hours on the course but if he get to the circle slider he deserves a spot in the top 15? Yeah... Distance alone does not work at all. Obviously no one is going to spend 5 hours on it, but people could pace themselves and not go fast at all, taking upwards of 2 minutes of every obstacle *cough* Nagano *cough*.
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Post by arsenette on Dec 16, 2010 22:02:38 GMT -5
LOL Nagano rule.. dooooooh /win Nah I like the distance one plus some sort of time limit rather than the open ended. Luckily though at the end of the day.. there were a lot more clears than I originally thought there were so only a few people were affected by this rather than the vast majority. That.. is a relief! I still would have enjoyed watching THIS as a stage 1 and them doing something else entirely for stage 2. Personally never was a fan of the extended stage as a cheat for Stage 1 and 2. Even trials when they have the full courses don't repeat content.
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Post by Badalight on Dec 16, 2010 22:08:36 GMT -5
Yeah, a time limit would be fine. I simply said distance ALONE just wouldn't cut it.
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Post by arsenette on Dec 16, 2010 22:09:33 GMT -5
Yeah, a time limit would be fine. I simply said distance ALONE just wouldn't cut it. True but we agree to disagree that I think that alone would have been a better rule
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Post by The Chief on Dec 16, 2010 22:10:21 GMT -5
what was it...21's trials? they did pretty much the exact same thing that ANW did...I don't mind it, but I think it could be better, just don't know how.
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Post by Badalight on Dec 16, 2010 22:12:51 GMT -5
Yeah, a time limit would be fine. I simply said distance ALONE just wouldn't cut it. True but we agree to disagree that I think that alone would have been a better rule If you say so I just see waaaay to many ways that could be exploited, and I'm sure G4 did as-well. The warped wall rule was pretty good CYA tactics, no?
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Post by RiderLeangle on Dec 16, 2010 22:16:16 GMT -5
what was it...21's trials? they did pretty much the exact same thing that ANW did...I don't mind it, but I think it could be better, just don't know how. Yes it was 21, But they made you complete the whole thing didn't they? Then again we had more than enough actual clears in the 21 trials so we don't know their system for the top 6 (It was 6 right?) if 5 or less cleared...
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Post by arsenette on Dec 16, 2010 22:20:18 GMT -5
what was it...21's trials? they did pretty much the exact same thing that ANW did...I don't mind it, but I think it could be better, just don't know how. Yes it was 21, But they made you complete the whole thing didn't they? Then again we had more than enough actual clears in the 21 trials so we don't know their system for the top 6 (It was 6 right?) if 5 or less cleared... 21 trials.. the big outdoor one? They had top 8 based on time completion. And yes they had a lot more clears so the chairs were used. Most of the time in Sasuke Trials in Japan if someone doesn't pass it .. that's it.. USA was guaranteed 10 spots regardless so they sent 10 however they got them. Japan you fail.. you go home and they send 1 to zero if they didn't make it They are brutal!
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Post by RiderLeangle on Dec 16, 2010 22:25:47 GMT -5
Ah, I was close, And I guess that's different all together... That's M9 being like "OK.. you should feel honored you're even getting this chance" when G4 is like "We got this many spots... let's do whatever it takes to use them..."
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Post by jfeathe on Dec 16, 2010 23:13:01 GMT -5
To make it completely fair, the top 15 should have been based on distance alone. This has been said multiple times and it's a BAD idea. Based on distance alone? So are you saying someone can take 6 hours on the course but if he get to the circle slider he deserves a spot in the top 15? Yeah... Distance alone does not work at all. Obviously no one is going to spend 5 hours on it, but people could pace themselves and not go fast at all, taking upwards of 2 minutes of every obstacle *cough* Nagano *cough*. I was very unclear with my post. Sorry about that. I was intending to suggest that people be ranked on distance alone, but under the time limit constraints I mentioned later in my post. In Sasuke, you don't absolutetly fly through the course like some people were, but you also don't dawdle. To summarize, a set time limit with distance for those who don't clear would be the best simulation of the Sasuke course.
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Post by arsenette on Dec 16, 2010 23:56:49 GMT -5
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Post by davidcampbell on Dec 16, 2010 23:58:55 GMT -5
Yeah but... with the current format of not having a time limit, I'm not sure of what else they could've done. Simple: "Furthest the fastest" if you get 2 rungs up the lamon ladder that is further than the warped wall, and 4 rungs up is further than 3 and the ring is further than that. whoever was further before they failed...if 2 people got equally as far then it's who got to that point first.
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Post by grcbullet on Dec 17, 2010 0:41:24 GMT -5
Another thing to maybe add to the "furthest the fastest" would be to add a 15-30 second time limit of optional rest between each obstacle befor being eliminated kinda like in stage three. This can keep people from resting for too long and still have time as a factor.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2010 1:45:21 GMT -5
Any bitching about ANW2 is nitpicking. I can see the negative, sure, but there's an overwhelming positive about ANW2 that I love about it. They did an AMAZING job here, and I can't wait to see how they all fare on the floating boards.
Although you guys hate the "Survivor" aspects, I think it enhances the show. I like it, and I think it's the best way of being fair, without the show being boring. The elimination challenge is the best part, super surprised they both had to stop climbing at the end there.
Also, are those ropes slippery like the ones from the first rope pressure challenge? I have rope that I believe is similar, but it's super silky, to the point where it's really hard to grip it and climb it.
Regardless, really happy with the show, glad ANW2 is a success, cannot wait for next weeks episodes (Minus the finale >_>)
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