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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2011 0:15:09 GMT -5
You're changing the arguement here.
My point is I think Japan should have their own ANW.
I've always agreed with those points, always. Your blog was excellent.
But one other thing that is needed, is change in Sasuke. The current forumula isn't working, adding this reality aspect will.
Although .3% doesn't seem impressive, you know for a fact it's a big deal.
Should TBS listen to a crappy cable network? I guess not. But hey, look at G4's track record. You can't ignore what it has already done for Sasuke, I think TBS should take it even further and create their own ANW.
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Post by scnoi1217 on Jan 19, 2011 0:17:17 GMT -5
I'm not sure Japan is as receptive to reality tv as we are in the US.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2011 0:26:27 GMT -5
Not even sports centered reality shows?
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Post by arsenette on Jan 19, 2011 0:33:10 GMT -5
You're changing the arguement here. My point is I think Japan should have their own ANW. I've always agreed with those points, always. Your blog was excellent. But one other thing that is needed, is change in Sasuke. The current forumula isn't working, adding this reality aspect will. Although .3% doesn't seem impressive, you know for a fact it's a big deal. Should TBS listen to a crappy cable network? I guess not. But hey, look at G4's track record. You can't ignore what it has already done for Sasuke, I think TBS should take it even further and create their own ANW. .. what has G4 done for Sasuke? Flooded them with overseas fans because of the CONTENT of Sasuke? G4 hasn't produced a single SECOND of content for Sasuke.. Zero.. Nada. The only thing G4 has done was 2 trials shows that not even a percent of this country has even bothered seeing.. Those that did didn't like it and prefer to watch NW any day of the week. I guess also you are giving credit for G4 for the content of Cops.. because.. that's their highest rated show so naturally they have to get credit for Cops since it's naturally produced by G4.. Last time I checked Cops is a syndicated show not produced by them and shown on 4 other networks.. As for M9/TBS not doing an ANW.. they have done similar things .. they tanked. Sasuke is not going to be popular pushing the no-names.. so any variation of Trials is not going to save the main show. It's like trying to hype Olympic Trials when people want to see the Olympics and don't give a crap how they got there. And no Juice 0.3% is not a big deal. That is why I mention it all the time. Just take a second and check the latest Cable Nielsen ratings.. then get back to me. That's not even a blip on the radar. I'm not sure Japan is as receptive to reality tv as we are in the US. No that's entirely a US craze. There are some European shows that the US has ripped off but it really exploded only in the USA. Britain is a close 2nd in terms of ZOMG reality shows. Japan is more about the live shows filled with comedians. They don't like amateurs.. they like pros doing things. You know.. like we used to just 20 years ago The "variety" show like we knew back in the 1970's-1980's is still big in Japan but nothing like what the USA considers reality shows.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2011 0:40:58 GMT -5
I don't think you realize how many TV sets can actually have access to G4...
Whatever. I honestly don't believe you know what you're talking about. I hate to piss you off Arsenette, but you just assume 0.3% isn't a big deal, while TBS, a television channel, people who know WTF their talking about, do.
What did G4 do that was so amazing?
They made Sasuke a hit in the states. A show not originally from America, a hit. A show that didn't have people competing against one another, didn't have drama, didn't have any of what American television is about, and it worked. G4 also made Sasuke popular world wide. They made Sasuke more profitable.
Now it's TBS's turn to change the tide of Sasuke. If they listen to G4, they could be successful.
Feel free to disagree, that's just my opinion I guess. I really think TBS needs a new weapon with Sasuke, and ANW is what that weapon is.
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Post by arsenette on Jan 19, 2011 0:52:51 GMT -5
Sorry Juice but 0.3% rating in United States Cable television (230,000 people watched the premiere of ANW2 btw.. those are the facts) is not a "hit". G4 is happy to have NW honestly.. because nothing else is making them solvent. Had it not that the entire network is subsidized by Comcast which owns them they would have gone under a long time ago. I'm sorry but I've been studying television and film for longer than you have been alive. That was my major in college and worked for the television industry both affiliate and national for 5 years. Having had to study it not only for a grade but for a living I can actually say you have no idea wtf you are talking about.
As for TBS in Japan they have their own problems over there that nothing in the USA market is going to save them. You speak as if the USA market is the only market on the planet that has Sasuke. Last time I checked 120 countries have Sasuke. Should TBS listen to them to save Sasuke in Japan? No. TBS has to do what they need to if they want to right now and lacking the cash and the balls from M9.. this show is going nowhere.. and that pisses me off because I love this show.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2011 1:11:44 GMT -5
I donno lol. Sure I haven't been around the television sphere as long as you, but I've seen things that shocked me about how television works, things you seemingly ignore (Or you think is correct in your view, which has been proven not to be the case. Like the hatred for a program over the internet.)
I listen to your views, and I respect what you are saying, but with what TBS has said, and how G4 has made Sasuke a world wide hit, I have to think about what TBS can do to sustain Sasuke, and it seems G4 could be of help.
But well see. I think we both can agree that M9 and TBS need to do something. We just differ in opinion on what they should do. Lets see what the monster does.
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Post by arsenette on Jan 19, 2011 1:15:01 GMT -5
Sweetie answer me this.. why was G4 dropped from Direct TV? I have the answer. G4 is the lowest rated cable network IN THE COUNTRY.. dead.. last.. That is why Direct TV dropped them.
Again.. G4 cannot help ratings in Japan rise. That is what TBS cares about. What happens in other countries only help their internationals sales for shows already produced (i.e. 1-26) not future shows.
As for Monster 9.. they can't do jack if TBS doesn't want to fork over the cash to produce a show that won't give them ratings. TBS has to decide if they are going to open their wallet and pay for celebs (real ones) to show up.. otherwise this show is done.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2011 1:31:32 GMT -5
Fair enough. I go by the 18-34 demographic, which is already like... two year old data... from the G4 head.
With that said, I don't think celebs will be the only thing.
It seems to me like it's a waste to hire a celeb to be on a show for less than a minute. It'll work, but with the way the course is... eh.
With the other things I've suggested (Making Stage 1 easier as hell) all I know is things need to change dramatically. ANW was change, and it gave me a glimmer of hope that M9 could use the same formula.
But maybe not >_> Watching the first two episodes of ANW was like watching old school Sasuke, I want to return to that.
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Post by lars072 on Jan 19, 2011 1:34:17 GMT -5
What the hell has G4 done for SASUKE and ratings in Japan? Nothing and in fact may have even led to the decline in ratings and viewership. IF we're talking about ratings in Japan then how can G4 be relevant? It isn't.
IF SASUKE survives (and not ANW or any other spinoff), then TBS/M9 need to find a way to atrract new viewers and/or get back the people who used to watch but don't anymore. That's it! It will be no easy task lookign at how the climate has changed in Japanese TV and based on TBS/M9's track record.
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Post by arsenette on Jan 19, 2011 1:49:55 GMT -5
Fair enough. I go by the 18-34 demographic, which is already like... two year old data... from the G4 head. With that said, I don't think celebs will be the only thing. It seems to me like it's a waste to hire a celeb to be on a show for less than a minute. It'll work, but with the way the course is... eh. With the other things I've suggested (Making Stage 1 easier as hell) all I know is things need to change dramatically. ANW was change, and it gave me a glimmer of hope that M9 could use the same formula. But maybe not >_> Watching the first two episodes of ANW was like watching old school Sasuke, I want to return to that. G4 will spin anything.. even what was told to TBS.. www.tbs.co.jp/eng/programsales/news/en2010121610.html "zomg 87% rise".. yeah.. when you don't have jack on your network even ANW looks like a winner. Granted I DID like the first part of ANW but that's literally the ONLY good thing about G4 based on the ratings alone for that one night.. LOL The specs I used for G4 as a network were nationwide using all demographics as of November, 2010... Direct TV used that as part of their bargaining chip with G4. Literally dozens of articles were written in November, 2010 all saying the same thing and even quoting the direct Nielsen ratings Direct TV uses to base their reasoning for dropping dead weight. As for content in Sasuke it's a bunch of things but the hook for the new people to watch is WHO is there. Yes the course needs to change somewhat to attract new people... but that's only one small part of the equation. What the hell has G4 done for SASUKE and ratings in Japan? Nothing and in fact may have even led to the decline in ratings and viewership. IF we're talking about ratings in Japan then how can G4 be relevant? It isn't. IF SASUKE survives (and not ANW or any other spinoff), then TBS/M9 need to find a way to atrract new viewers and/or get back the people who used to watch but don't anymore. That's it! It will be no easy task lookign at how the climate has changed in Japanese TV and based on TBS/M9's track record. LOL Lars I equate getting advice from G4 to a high school honor student who had a "successful" college fair trying to give tips to the producer of American Idol.. Yeah.. right.. I think that's why my anger towards G4 is so huge.. thanks to them they locked out all foreign entries.. though I really should be blaming M9 for that.. but if it wasn't because of the insistence of G4 to control things they wouldn't have done so. Okay I blame them both. TBS apparently handles the celebs only as opposed to before when they shared the entries selection. And yep agreed on that last point big time. It's TBS' ball to either pick up or put away. That's.. distressing given their history lately..
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Post by lars072 on Jan 19, 2011 9:50:26 GMT -5
I realize that many fans here are Americans and that G4 airs SASUKE albeit in its own version. However, G4 means little to me and nothing to Japanese viewers who are the ones who will decide the fate of SASUKE. I agree with arsenette in that G4 and M9 are both are to blame, but I think TBS and M9 will be responsible for the revival or unfortunate demise of SASUKE.
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Post by jfeathe on Jan 19, 2011 15:31:07 GMT -5
I realize that many fans here are Americans and that G4 airs SASUKE albeit in its own version. However, G4 means little to me and nothing to Japanese viewers who are the ones who will decide the fate of SASUKE. I agree with arsenette in that G4 and M9 are both are to blame, but I think TBS and M9 will be responsible for the revival or unfortunate demise of SASUKE. The only thing I will say about this is that if Ninja Warrior is popular enough worldwide and TBS manages to make a lot of money from sales of Sasuke, then perhaps the sub-par ratings are enough to continue. But the problem is, how many of the 142 countries airing NW are actually current with the series? Furthermore, how much profit did TBS make from them (especially since the main version sold is G4's). Most countries probably aren't even close to being caught up. So to repeat and summarize, the only way Sasuke will continue in the long run without a noticeable increase in ratings is if Sasuke/Ninja Warrior/Whatever sales are substantial. The biggest shame is that the channel that got a hold of Ninja Warrior is one of the the worst performing channels out there. I personally believe that G4 has done a great job with Ninja Warrior in terms of advertisement, ANW, and the program in general, but due to severely limited viewership, the ending result is still disappointing.
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Post by scnoi1217 on Jan 19, 2011 16:04:16 GMT -5
I realize that many fans here are Americans and that G4 airs SASUKE albeit in its own version. However, G4 means little to me and nothing to Japanese viewers who are the ones who will decide the fate of SASUKE. I agree with arsenette in that G4 and M9 are both are to blame, but I think TBS and M9 will be responsible for the revival or unfortunate demise of SASUKE. The only thing I will say about this is that if Ninja Warrior is popular enough worldwide and TBS manages to make a lot of money from sales of Sasuke, then perhaps the sub-par ratings are enough to continue. But the problem is, how many of the 142 countries airing NW are actually current with the series? Furthermore, how much profit did TBS make from them (especially since the main version sold is G4's). Most countries probably aren't even close to being caught up. So to repeat and summarize, the only way Sasuke will continue in the long run without a noticeable increase in ratings is if Sasuke/Ninja Warrior/Whatever sales are substantial. The biggest shame is that the channel that got a hold of Ninja Warrior is one of the the worst performing channels out there. I personally believe that G4 has done a great job with Ninja Warrior in terms of advertisement, ANW, and the program in general, but due to severely limited viewership, the ending result is still disappointing. Well according to here (http://www.tbs.co.jp/eng/programsales/news/en2010122215.html) Ninja Warrior is now in 153 countries with Dubai being the latest one. It's popularity worldwide is growing as evidenced by the numbers, but honestly I don't know how much that is going to do for future SASUKEs. The catalog only lists 28 SASUKE/KUNOICHI episodes, which is probably up to and including 2008 (21 SASUKE's, 7 KUNOICHI's). It does list Ninja Warrior as having 115 episodes available. I'm not sure what the breakdown per tournament would be, but for example if that is 5 episodes per tournament, that comes out to 23 tournaments, so up to SASUKE 23. (If someone else knows the episode breakdown of the tournaments, that would really help.) Of those 153 countries, I can say with confidence that the USA is the only one that is caught up (through SASUKE 25 and part of SASUKE 26). Everyone else is probably at SASUKE 20-22 if that. SASUKE was popular in the UK for a while and I think they only got up to 21 or 22. Most of the countries will buy three or so episodes, put it on TV and see how it goes. If it is a hit, they order more. When my girlfriend was back home in Turkey, they were showing SASUKE 13 and other tournaments around that time period. So what does that mean for the future of SASUKE? Honestly, I think not much. If TBS wanted, they could stop producing new episodes and just sell the old ones to make some money/profit and call it a day. It seems most countries are willing to dip their toes into the water but few are going to be commited enough to dive in. The root of the problem has been and always will be what is being done domestically. Thus, the only groups that can change it are M9 and TBS. To get SASUKE back on its feet, they would need to: 1. Plan ahead, like months in advance 2. Invite celebrities that will in turn bring in viewers 3. Advertise the show more than a week before it airs 4. Make a name for new people so they can be "SASUKE-famous" like the All-Stars. If they hyped up the Shin Sedai as the average everyday guys that do well on the course, they could start marketing these people and making them everyday names. Yuuji being #5 on a list of who will achieve kanzenseiha is insane. So far though, either M9 or TBS haven't had the resources/money or interest to make these things happen. That, is probably the saddest part of this whole thing.
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Post by arsenette on Jan 19, 2011 16:16:45 GMT -5
Agreed with you guys. Definitely the ball is in the TBS/M9 court and the problem must be dealt with domestically. I know a lot of people were thinking about the original (but false) rumor that TBS wanted high 20's or they would cancel it in Japan. I still think it can go back to double digits. It really depends how bad everything between M9/TBS is and more importantly how far in the red TBS is in general. The station is going through a massive overhaul and they changed quite a few things, scaled down others and outright canceled a few as well. Personally I'd write to both TBS and M9 to keep Sasuke at this point. But I agree a bunch of little things have to change.. including planning in advance. This holy crap it's 2 weeks way nonsense has to stop. Only time will tell if they really have any interest in continuing this show in Japan.
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Post by Badalight on Jan 19, 2011 18:09:11 GMT -5
Honestly, I think TBS would at least give them one last chance to prove themselves. They are getting money from it still, especially with G4's involvement, and while it didn't get them very good ratings it DID increase and like you said, what did they honestly expect with 2 weeks of planning? TBS may even be "stupid" enough to get caught up in all of the G4 hoo-hah and they may think it's in their best interest to keep it going because of how "successful" it is in other countries. At least for now anyway. I actually think G4's hyping up of how well ANW2 did got TBS's expectations up for it to do well in Japan, which it really didn't. In any case, I do think it's more likely that we'll have Sasuke 27 than not. I'd say it'd like 60/40 in favor of us having 27. Disagree if you want, but... I was right about 26, no?
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Post by mikessssssss on Jan 19, 2011 18:34:38 GMT -5
And Bada won the guessing game; you can't argue with those odds
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Post by Badalight on Jan 19, 2011 20:23:44 GMT -5
And Bada won the guessing game; you can't argue with those odds Thrice.
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Post by cole77000 on Jan 19, 2011 23:16:51 GMT -5
I think we will have a 27. Idk after that but I am leaning toward at least one more.
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Post by lars072 on Jan 20, 2011 1:01:13 GMT -5
Perhaps if there's a ANW3 planned, that may provide a clue if SASUKE 27 will happen or not since G4's $$ seems to be the only thing keping it alive.
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