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Post by Badalight on Jan 17, 2011 20:10:17 GMT -5
That was a weekly show though, wasn't it? That's a lot different than something shown on average 2 times a year.
Weekly bad ratings seems like it'd be a lot worse than 2 bad ratings a year.
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Post by cole77000 on Jan 17, 2011 20:13:36 GMT -5
Yeah thats true. Hey is it a plausible arguement to say that Sasuke will be more likely to go on becuase g4 is throwing money at it?
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Post by arsenette on Jan 17, 2011 20:16:00 GMT -5
That was a weekly show though, wasn't it? That's a lot different than something shown on average 2 times a year. Weekly bad ratings seems like it'd be a lot worse than 2 bad ratings a year. I think what Ube was showing is that the landscape is changing and not even shows that are established but continue to have poor ratings are now getting the axe. Tokyo Friend Park is not the only one to get canned. A lot of shows that are produced by TBS mysteriously disappeared this year in the wake of the poor economy. It's expensive to keep producing brand new shows. Unlike US shows that have part of their seasons be filled with reruns.. Japan is filled with brand new content (despite their quality good/bad/otherwise) as a normal staple. That differs heavily from USA programming. TBS has been cost cutting this year by eliminating shows that are expensive to produce by putting things that are cheaper (like news shows, etc.) in order to survive the onslaught this economy has done to their sponsorship contracts. This is just an example is all. Ube even said distinctly that it differs from Sasuke based on it being weekly but still bears in mind considering that they are cutting low rated shows... though even THIS one had an average that was much higher than Sasuke as a whole. Just another example as to why Sasuke is no longer safe is all.
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Post by arsenette on Jan 17, 2011 20:21:31 GMT -5
Yeah thats true. Hey is it a plausible arguement to say that Sasuke will be more likely to go on becuase g4 is throwing money at it? Not directly. My argument has always been that the money gained by the license of ANW (directly tied to Sasuke making it a Sasuke spin off with TBS getting residuals) would help offset the loss of money that Sasuke is losing since they have lost a great deal of money due to the loss of sponsors willing to pay to sponsor a dying show. G4 is on the winning end of this deal since they get the ratings they want (however insignificant.. but you know G4.. they'll spin it to make it sound like it's the best rating of all time even though they were utterly slaughtered in the cable ratings...). TBS has to do the math at this point. They've promoted a lot of ANW with the hopes of adding that programming to their overseas line up in HOPES that other countries buy it as part of Sasuke programming (as of yet it's not listed but it's clear from their press releases that they are going in this direction.. or at least exploring their options). Given that TBS has already confirmed that this show was a ratings failure and did not meet the expectation they wanted.. it's most likely that TBS is going to go back to the drawing board and figure out if it's worth the amount of money they get from G4 in contrast to how much it is to actually produce Sasuke (which btw is not cheap). If the cost to gain ratio is too low.. they might just cut the cord and let ANW continue and sell that license as a way to recoup the loss of the last couple years.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jan 17, 2011 20:29:24 GMT -5
This sounds stupid.. but maybe what TBS should do is let ANW run a couple of times, broadcast that, and once the pay has built up host another Sasuke.. As long as the show survives I'm sure we could settle for it being every other year...
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Post by arsenette on Jan 17, 2011 20:53:32 GMT -5
This sounds stupid.. but maybe what TBS should do is let ANW run a couple of times, broadcast that, and once the pay has built up host another Sasuke.. As long as the show survives I'm sure we could settle for it being every other year... The point for TBS is to make Sasuke successful in JAPAN.. how would getting money from G4's airing of ANW (not tied to Sasuke.. which IMO kills the appeal to a lot of people.. not just competitors) be useful for TBS's ratings in Japan? The core of the problem is Sasuke's ratings in Japan.. not how much money TBS is getting from the ANW contract.. They are mutually exclusive. ANW shouldn't even figure into the discussion as a way to "save" Sasuke.. it's just been a factor lately but apparently that's not helping Sasuke in Japan.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jan 17, 2011 20:56:42 GMT -5
I was saying the stupid idea of showing every other ANW (Which would be it's own tournament alternating with Sasuke Trials version with a Sasuke tied to it) as a show in Japan... And have that get ratings and money alternating with the big Sasuke tournament that to save money and make it more special would only be like every other there...
Like I said.. probably sounds stupid doesn't it?
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Post by arsenette on Jan 17, 2011 21:05:55 GMT -5
I was saying the stupid idea of showing every other ANW (Which would be it's own tournament alternating with Sasuke Trials version with a Sasuke tied to it) as a show in Japan... And have that get ratings and money alternating with the big Sasuke tournament that to save money and make it more special would only be like every other there... Like I said.. probably sounds stupid doesn't it? TBS has never shown Sasuke Trials as it's own show and fast forwarded a lot of Americans in their own Sasuke show.. why the hell do you think they would show ANW which is a trials of Americans to Sasuke in Japan in PLACE of Sasuke? Think for a second..
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jan 17, 2011 21:19:01 GMT -5
No... I'm saying every other ANW is a Sasuke qualifier, with an actual just tournament in between.. and TBS airs the actual tournament, get the money and ratings from that, and then have an actual Sasuke tournament with the money they made from licensing and ad time
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Post by arsenette on Jan 17, 2011 21:20:36 GMT -5
No... I'm saying every other ANW is a Sasuke qualifier, with an actual just tournament in between.. and TBS airs the actual tournament, get the money and ratings from that, and then have an actual Sasuke tournament with the money they made from licensing and ad time AH I understand what you mean but this unfortunately STILL doesn't help TBS with Sasuke in Japan. Money has to come within the country for it to be successful. No other country relies on syndication and overseas money to save their own domestic product. I see what you mean but it's not going to help Sasuke. And ANW is also every year... so you are talking about it coming back in 2 years... Quite frankly I don't see that lasting that long since the appeal of ANW without Sasuke is going to drop ANW off the map.. besides.. this still will not entice Japanese sponsors from investing money in a show that might not come back in 2 years... again.. wrong tree you are barking up.
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Post by cole77000 on Jan 17, 2011 21:47:47 GMT -5
I'm just hoping that if Sasuke gets cancelled (which is looking likely) we will get some sort of SasukeUSA (where everything is run pretty much exactly like sasuke just here in the us) instead of this silly ANW lol
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Post by arsenette on Jan 17, 2011 22:27:33 GMT -5
I'm just hoping that if Sasuke gets cancelled (which is looking likely) we will get some sort of SasukeUSA (where everything is run pretty much exactly like sasuke just here in the us) instead of this silly ANW lol IMO highly unlikely.. that means whoever came up with that would have to pry the Sasuke license from G4's hands.. they will never give up ANW now that they have sponsors for it..
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Post by cole77000 on Jan 17, 2011 22:34:58 GMT -5
Well what exactly would ANW turn into if Sasuke didn't exist anyways? If there is no Sasuke the current format is completely useless lol.
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Post by Badalight on Jan 17, 2011 23:14:41 GMT -5
Also, ANW got more advertising than I originally thought. There were apparently posters all over my girlfriend's college advertising it, and she lives on the east coast.
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Post by arsenette on Jan 17, 2011 23:20:15 GMT -5
ANW's budget must have been huge because there were ads even on Xboxes for it.. LOL They did a great job promoting the living crap out of ANW.. hell. .they even got TBS to do it for them in Japan! LMFAO!!!!!
As for ANW.. G4 is convinced it can survive without Sasuke. I think it can if it offers a cash prize for winning it. Granted they have to change the format and actually make more than one stage.. but it has potential. I actually enjoyed watching the Venice Beach Stuff.. if they axe the stupid Boot Camp it has potential. But that's another thread.. feel free to start one if you want.
Long story short.. Sasuke needs help from TBS and it's up to them to decide if it's financially worth their time to keep resurrecting it... and if they do.. they need to regroup and actually DO a better job in promoting and getting the right people on it so ratings actually go up.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2011 0:55:45 GMT -5
I think TBS should make their own "ANW"
And no, not just simple Trials, I mean a complete 100% rip off of ANW.
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Post by arsenette on Jan 18, 2011 1:50:43 GMT -5
I think TBS should make their own "ANW" And no, not just simple Trials, I mean a complete 100% rip off of ANW. .. why.. most people thought the 2nd part of ANW sucked.. LOL (anything that was not Venice Beach).. Besides.. they have money problems.. you want them to produce yet another show with this nonexistent budget?
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Post by yamfriend on Jan 18, 2011 3:56:58 GMT -5
If this is the end of Sasuke (*sobs* ), I would at least like them to say that it's done with instead of giving no news of anything about it ever again. It's bad enough that it's probably nearing its end, but IMO not having a confirmation that it's officially cancelled would be even worse (kind of like Kunoichi which IIRC hasn't had any new information regarding it since K8, but just seemed to fade away). Additionally, if a final competition is announced, I hope they at least keep it true to the Sasuke format (unlike K8 when comparing it to the 7 previous Kunoichi tournaments) and really end the show on a fitting note. If TBS is planning on concluding the show, at least do it properly. And who knows, maybe some time in the future they might want to try to revive the show for all we know. I highly doubt that it would be the same and/or successful as the original tournaments, but you never know. The future is a complete mystery with great uncertainty, and Sasuke is no different than anything else...
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Post by lars072 on Jan 18, 2011 10:14:29 GMT -5
I'm just hoping that if Sasuke gets cancelled (which is looking likely) we will get some sort of SasukeUSA (where everything is run pretty much exactly like sasuke just here in the us) instead of this silly ANW lol SASUKEUSA? Sorry SASUKE or nothing for me!
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Post by Badalight on Jan 18, 2011 10:34:09 GMT -5
I'm just hoping that if Sasuke gets cancelled (which is looking likely) we will get some sort of SasukeUSA (where everything is run pretty much exactly like sasuke just here in the us) instead of this silly ANW lol SASUKEUSA? Sorry SASUKE or nothing for me! That's a bit selfish I mean you don't have to watch it, but even if it's a ripoff I'd prefer that over Sasuke leaving me completely.
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