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Post by Oti on Sept 7, 2010 0:10:23 GMT -5
A lot of people got pulled aside in L.A. so G4 could shoot their intro stuff. Dramatic 360's, zoom-ins, etc.. Most people during these shootings were asked to do something flashy. Flips, kicks, anything, really. Myself included. Something dawned on me, however, and since then I've been sort of dwelling on it... If G4 uses that footage the way I think they will, a lot of us are going to look like total douchebags. Even though most of us are calm, friendly, Sasuke enthusiasts, we're going to be painted out to be crazy, trick-throwing mofos. This annoys me. Anyone else feel like this?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2010 0:14:06 GMT -5
I think you perceive people who do these flashy tricks as d-bags. I think most people however, don't. You're just showing off your ninja, it sort of matches the show, and if it's just for the intro, than whatever. As long as you didn't do it ON course, I don't think you will look like a d-bag.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Sept 7, 2010 0:15:48 GMT -5
Dude.. It's G4.. Honestly I'm shocked it took you this long to realize that with everyone doing that it'd take you this long to realize that.. I mean it's G4.. When have they ever understood the spirit of Sasuke?.. Hell.. I feel sorry for everyone else really.. I mean you got that extremely short part on that NinjaFest 4/Ninja Killer segment and the crowd shots of that from their pre-show so G4 watchers know you aren't like that.. But then again if they don't know these forums and stuff they probably don't understand Sasuke anyways..
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Post by baronbk on Sept 7, 2010 0:31:57 GMT -5
I'm not worried about it. They asked if I "do anything", and I told them, "obstacle courses". So they just had me stand against a pillar and stare into the distance, then do some of my warmups, for my hero shot. haha. Truth be told, I don't even know if I'll be shown, which only slightly bothers me because I want people to know I've been there both times (and will continue to go, pulling a Shingo! woot! lol)
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Post by roy on Sept 7, 2010 2:20:33 GMT -5
They're probably tying it in with their main ninja warrior broadcasts with those epic shots/additional music etc.
I honestly wish they'd just show more of the actual runs than "ninja killer"(ninja recap piss off)and "from the land of the rising sun, 100...". Most of their viewers could care less, I'm sure. Obstacles>Showing off
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Post by arsenette on Sept 7, 2010 2:28:10 GMT -5
They're probably tying it in with their main ninja warrior broadcasts with those epic shots/additional music etc. I honestly wish they'd just show more of the actual runs than "ninja killer"(ninja recap piss off)and "from the land of the rising sun, 100...". Most of their viewers could care less, I'm sure. Obstacles>Showing off Nah ANW will run just like it did the last time. Given your location though I don't believe you saw ANW1? Personally I found the pace and editing to be boring and the horrendous announcing afterward was almost painful. I'm hoping they get better for this one...
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Post by thebra on Sept 7, 2010 3:49:12 GMT -5
Even though I didn't get to see ANW1 in its entirety, I've got to say that ANW2 looks like it'll be steps above it. The location, audience, and production all look way better.
The flips and stuff, yeah, that's kinda lame I guess, but if you look at Sasuke and the Japanese broadcast, most of the people they televise either do something flashy, have some sort of gimic, or are a serious competitor who should or does beat stage one.
Just thinking back to the past few Sasukes, I recall the powerlifter, a guy mixing noodles, breakdancers, gymnasts, restaurant owners, and of course Mr. Octopus, Hang glider guy, and the model maker.
Now the only problem I see with ANW2 is that we won't have all that diversity. G4 tried to manufacture that with the costume casting call which breaks the monotany of serious athlete after athlete trying the course. Entertaining for the casual viewer? Sure. For the serious competitors? Probably not as much.
Ultimately we have to realize that this is still a TV show which has the purpose of getting as many viewers as possible. If it was just a strictly American trials show, with no flash or tricks, then the ratings will probably be limited to the Sasuke/Ninja Warrior hardcore enthusiasts.
I have no idea as to what G4's plans are. Do they want to make this a separate entity from Sasuke and no longer do the trials? Or do they want to maintain this as a trials show, with just enough flash to keep Joe Couch potato entertained?
If this does become a separate entity, then they will probably need to follow Sasuke's formula and add in some flashiness with some costumes, normal joes, quasi-celebrities, oddballs, along with your serious athletes. Is this ideal? Especially since there were probably a good 200+ athletes who wanted to and thought they could beat the course but will ultimately not have the same chance to compete because they'll be overtaken by your comical and costumed entertaining "competitors". No, not for us who train and get in shape for this.
My dream is to still get to Japan, and I don't know how I'd feel if ANW just ultimately becomes an imitation of Sasuke with no trials to get sent there. If they make it just as grand, with 4 stages that have creative and difficult to nearly impossible obstacles, then I'd still be game, just maybe not as fanatical.
Sorry for the long diatribe, but this post just got away from me. Just remember to the 1st Sasuke and compare it the last. Its gone through some changes and it took some time to get it to where it is today. I know that we're not all happy with G4 but given that they started with a video entry popularity contest to ANW1 and 2, I think we can all agree that they have made progress. Let's hope it continues, even if they make some of us look like flipping maniacs.
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Post by roy on Sept 7, 2010 5:25:15 GMT -5
Nah ANW will run just like it did the last time. Given your location though I don't believe you saw ANW1? Personally I found the pace and editing to be boring and the horrendous announcing afterward was almost painful. I'm hoping they get better for this one... I've seen ANW1 on broadcast(G4). Heh Guam is a U.S territory and so we have cable here too 60ish channels on the basic stuff. This will soon be my fourth year of ninja warrior fanhood ;D From a buisness standpoint(and I hate this, but it is what it is), if they want to expand ninja warrior in america, I propse that they offer a larger prize, as well as the grand prize of competing on the Sasuke course. The larger prize will have more people viewing on TV to see people give it everything they have. Then you can have the storylines(American media loves stories- just look at ESPN) of the 'hardcore' competitors who do it for the love of the game. Then G4 must couple this with more advertising, or specifically, getting on a news channel, with some cross-channel advertising. The advertising must specifically say what time the competition is on G4. However, even if the competition is open to all, the makeup of the competitors should follow the layout from Sasuke, with the hopeless/funny competitors,athletes,celeberties and working class.
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Post by arsenette on Sept 7, 2010 6:19:37 GMT -5
Hey no worries Nagano Here in the lower 48 most people don't even have G4 anymore It's a niche channel that a lot of cable stations don't carry. I didn't expect it would be available there which is why I asked first. G4 to me has always missed the mark when it comes to attempting to replicate "Sasuke".. it's like they have no idea what the show is about and why there's such an appeal. ANW as a show by itself hits a small niche American market.. usually those who want to see themselves on TV or those who want to be in Sasuke but without Sasuke it lacks the appeal simply because it's too simple in it's thought pattern. Having an endless supply of people that no one can make a connection to (simply because of the size of the competitor field) and basically doing one stage (I don't care.. stage 1 rerun twice bugs the crap out of me) doesn't equate to Sasuke. When so many people can just walk up and be a superhero for a day.. it's no longer Sasuke. Being in the lineup in Sasuke MEANS something.. you fought hard to get there and 1000 other people want to be in your shoes. When you pass the first stage.. it means something.. not because you did it like 200 other people but faster.. See how the focus is different? Just not my cup of tea as a whole. For those who have never seen Sasuke Trials and say that it only fits the hardcore.. I disagree. If anyone was around for Sasuke Mania 2008 where they had the trials to 21.. everyone was riveted to figure out who was going to make the top 8. Week in and week out everyone watched. THIS can be great television. Having a smaller group of people (they had 80 I think.. have to go back and read it but am too lazy) and they cut it down to 8 by the end of the show made for compelling TV. Each stage was different and since it was a closed set they had a chance to give them a real sense of what Sasuke is like. I wish ANW could do that but their focus is elsewhere.. that's why I never liked the show and have no hopes of liking it this year either.
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Post by roy on Sept 7, 2010 6:42:19 GMT -5
G4 to me has always missed the mark when it comes to attempting to replicate "Sasuke".. it's like they have no idea what the show is about and why there's such an appeal. ANW as a show by itself hits a small niche American market.. usually those who want to see themselves on TV or those who want to be in Sasuke but without Sasuke it lacks the appeal simply because it's too simple in it's thought pattern. Having an endless supply of people that no one can make a connection to (simply because of the size of the competitor field) and basically doing one stage (I don't care.. stage 1 rerun twice bugs the crap out of me) doesn't equate to Sasuke. When so many people can just walk up and be a superhero for a day.. it's no longer Sasuke. Being in the lineup in Sasuke MEANS something.. you fought hard to get there and 1000 other people want to be in your shoes. When you pass the first stage.. it means something.. not because you did it like 200 other people but faster.. See how the focus is different? Just not my cup of tea as a whole. I definitely agree. They just can't really capture the Sasuke spirit...perhaps it is the background of midoriyama, or maybe its in the muddy waters. But about the course itself, its all about having the obstacles being thrown at you, under pressure. Every obstacle is unique in what it wants you do as well. I suppose the big problem(and I'm sure this has been explored thoroughly here before), is that the ANW has become man vs man, and not man vs obstacle. If I remember correctly, one of the old commercials of Ninja Warrior advertised it as the 'ultimate test of man vs obstacle' and to G4's credit, they were right. However, they need to get back to that. And when I watch American Ninja, I wanna see weak competitors having to try the course. I wanna see an 'american octopus' or america art guy gingerly step up to the first obstacle only to fail. Even if they have to be paid to try the course, characters like these are essential. Heck, characters are essential to Sasuke. So that appears to myself, what needs improving. I did my best to use my post homework brain to narrow it down to those three things. The atmosphere, the mud and surroundings; the focus of the participating, man vs obstacle; and the characters, all diverse, from different professions. But I suppose, the spirit of Sasuke, for all of us is different. To identify what it is which makes it awesome, maybe you must go back to what first captured your attention.
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Post by 2D2Will on Sept 7, 2010 6:54:07 GMT -5
Personally I found the pace and editing to be boring and the horrendous announcing afterward was almost painful. I'm hoping they get better for this one... You know what I thought when I watched ANW? I was thinking "Dude, Blair Hurter is totally ripping me off!" Think about it. Mediocre at best announcing with a limited vocabulary? That's so my style! It's obvious that he watched Hg Labs and decided to emulate my style. If I ever met him I would punch him in the face. Or congratulate him on becoming a father. One of the two.
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Post by Oti on Sept 7, 2010 9:57:22 GMT -5
I forgot about that. I apparently got fans from that. o.O
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Post by RiderLeangle on Sept 7, 2010 12:35:58 GMT -5
On one hand I really want to complain about G4 not knowing what they're doing but on the other hand I can't help but think we got to thank them for bringing Sasuke to our attention and at least they're doing SOMETHING, Most countries don't do anything, The only other place who's ever sent someone is Taiwan and they did one trials and people were apparently complaining about only Lee going and they were supposed to have one for 26 but I haven't heard anything about that.. But as for how G4 is doing it.. They just keep making the processes worse don't they? I mean ANC2 was a step up from ANC1 but 3 and 4 were set up really bad. ANW1 was a step in the right direction but the way it was set-up was just bad and ANW2 doesn't seem to be helping this.. It's supposed to be Trials first and foremost but they seem to try to be turning it into an American Sasuke.. They got alot of work to go with that.... I forgot about that. I apparently got fans from that. o.O You did? Maybe that's why everyone got so excited during your run. Then again those two recoveries had to have helped
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Post by Oti on Sept 7, 2010 17:07:22 GMT -5
You guys missed (for the most part) what I was talking about. This isn't another "G4 is ruining Sasuke" topic. It's just about us, the competitors.
I guess. Back when my girlfriend worked as a DirecTV phone rep, someone called in to upgrade so they could get G4 in order to watch "some guy with long hair and a gray shirt". Ba-zing!
But yeah, my cat-like reflexes did help the crowd wake up. From what I remember it was relatively calm before I went. Nothing big happened immediately before my run aside from that one mohawk guy cracking his head open on the bridge.
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Post by arsenette on Sept 7, 2010 19:23:47 GMT -5
I know the reason why I brought up the ruining Sasuke thing is that the focus of how ANW presents it's show is that they are trying to emulate (badly) Sasuke instead of being a trials show. So in that attempt they will pick shots and video of things that fit THEIR theme rather than what was there. Similar to how TBS molds their broadcast.. they will fit their theme. So I say G4 is flawed in their approach to the theme to begin with since the whole purpose of the show was supposed to be to pick the 10 that will enter Sasuke (i.e. trial format) but they decided to try to copy something they don't understand.. which is Sasuke. So your fear of what they might show is founded simply because that's the tact they have been taking so far in G4.
One could argue that the ANC2 show was far more compelling than ANW .. by a LONG shot.. even if I didn't like the format of only following 6 people.
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Post by Oti on Sept 7, 2010 19:48:27 GMT -5
Justification/reasoning aside, that wasn't my point. Yes, it's related, but that's not what I was getting at.
Just curious if anyone else was dreading the broadcast for fear of looking like a show-off via the magic of post production.
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Post by arsenette on Sept 7, 2010 20:24:07 GMT -5
Justification/reasoning aside, that wasn't my point. Yes, it's related, but that's not what I was getting at. Just curious if anyone else was dreading the broadcast for fear of looking like a show-off via the magic of post production. Ah! You are just worried you'd like bad on camera. Heck.. this was part of the fear of everyone here on SMF that was in ANW1. LOL I remember reading Strat going "Aww man I'm going to look like Yamada with my sulking".. or something like that I think everyone who has been videotaped in an event is scared/worried that they would look bad in post production. So I doubt you are alone in your worries
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Post by Oti on Sept 7, 2010 21:52:07 GMT -5
I remember that! It was Baron and his "Yamada moment".
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Post by arsenette on Sept 7, 2010 21:53:05 GMT -5
I remember that! It was Baron and his "Yamada moment". AH! Thanks for the correction. It was funny though to hear that phrase.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 8, 2010 1:08:04 GMT -5
I certainly understand the portrayal you are wanting to avoid, but I think you'll be okay for a couple of reasons:
(1) The average G4 viewer isn't going to be watching and thinking that tricking is a douchebag activity.
(2) The non-average Sasuke fans (SMF posters, et al) know you better than that.
(3) Ryoga Vee will make you look tame by comparison. No offense, Ryoga... you're just... really noticeable.
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