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Post by intelligentinfer on Jun 19, 2010 8:58:37 GMT -5
Are you allowed to swing back to the rest point while attempting the UCH? Just something I thought a while ago.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jun 19, 2010 9:40:05 GMT -5
I've wondered that about any obstacle really.. The closest we ever saw to someone starting and obstacle and going back was James Okada in Sasuke 7 if I remember correctly. He started the Spider Walk but still had his gloves on, went back to take off his gloves then started the obstacle again. Although something about the UCH I wondered.. If you're all the way at the end of the Second Ledge and fall but land on the island, would you be able to start it again like Yoshihiro Minami in Sasuke 19? (With that one I think you would be able to, I just want to know the resting ruling XD)
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Post by YoDaUO on Jun 19, 2010 9:54:44 GMT -5
I also wondered the same thing before. I think you can.
Didnt Yamada restart the propeller bars in 3 or 4?
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Post by 2D2Will on Jun 19, 2010 9:57:05 GMT -5
Didnt Yamada restart the propeller bars in 3 or 4? Yes he did.
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Post by krale on Jun 19, 2010 19:43:28 GMT -5
There was also a stuntman or actor(something to that nature) in the begging of shin sasuke that was able to flip back to the platform of the jumping spider when he was about to fail
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Post by VenusHeadTrap on Jun 19, 2010 21:10:23 GMT -5
There was also a stuntman or actor(something to that nature) in the begging of shin sasuke that was able to flip back to the platform of the jumping spider when he was about to fail Mister Rider mentioned that exact man, Yoshihiro Minami. I think because he was allowed to continue is because he never touched a spot that was out of bounds. Walls, trampoline = Okay. So it must be okay on the UCH, platform, ledges, back to platform = still not out of bounds.
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Post by scnoi1217 on Jun 19, 2010 21:36:49 GMT -5
Unless at the top of the second ledge, the person went back down both ledges and made it to the platform, the person would otherwise be eliminated if they tried anything else. You are already a 1/3 of the way through the obstacle, for them to make the acceptable wouldn't make any sense. It would be like on the third rung of the Salmon Ladder you knew you were gonna fail, so you jumped backwards and tried to reach the mat. It works for the first rung (and in this analogy the first ledge of the UCH) but anything past that would be ridiculous.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jun 19, 2010 22:28:04 GMT -5
That was the exact situation I was asking about.. If someone was at the far end of the second ledge and had a run identical to Lee and Koji BUT they landed perfectly on the starting mat would they be able to try again and what would the rules regarding resting be? would they get another 30 seconds or would they be forced to start right away because they already started the obstacle?
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Post by venomcarnage89 on Jun 20, 2010 10:35:36 GMT -5
I think it would be allowed, I mean why not really? In all honesty if they did that its only ADDING difficulty to their overall run so I highly doubt the officials will care, add in that he did not go out of bounds and I really don't see much of a problem as they seem pretty leniant on this sort of thing and will probably let it slide. And even at the least, Im sure they love watching people struggle on their new "baby" so they would be happy to watch him fall again(because honestly if you fell that early on, your not gonna stand much of a chance your second time through unless you made a huge once in a blue moon mistake).
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Post by Badalight on Jun 20, 2010 12:24:59 GMT -5
The thing is... unless somehow you have momentum going left... you wouldn't fall onto the mat. It almost seems impossible for that to happen.
Even if you touch the mat, the downward momentum would send you into the water.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2010 12:33:53 GMT -5
The thing is... unless somehow you have momentum going left... you wouldn't fall onto the mat. It almost seems impossible for that to happen. Even if you touch the mat, the downward momentum would send you into the water. Yeah, if you have enough energy to swing back on the mat, than you probably have enough energy to keep going on the Cliffhanger.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jun 20, 2010 12:58:41 GMT -5
You guys DO realize the very end of the second UCH ledge is directly over the mat don't you?...
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Post by artyfowljr on Jun 21, 2010 5:05:51 GMT -5
I honestly don't think they would be allowed to go on even if they managed to fall on the mat. It would be different perhaps if they started going backwards, got to the first ledge and got to the mat, but yes if they had enough energy to do that they would go on.
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Post by Ninja Chris on Jun 21, 2010 12:18:17 GMT -5
See, I disagree, Arty. With the course, you should be allowed to do whatever you want, as long as it doesn't break rules or involve leaving the course. Since the mat is naturally within bounds, since that is the obstacles starting point, it should be allowed for you to come back to it, since as others have said, it's harder to come back and start over than keep going.
However, the part that worries me the most, is the 30-second timer rule. There would have to be something that doesn't allow the competitor to keep coming back to the mat for a 30 second break.
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Post by arsenette on Jun 21, 2010 12:45:57 GMT -5
Ya'll can dissect this for me .. does the mat move away from the UCH (like it does with the Salmon Ladder) so if you end up falling down.. you fall in the water and not the mat? Even if it doesn't move - once you fall and touch the mat/water it's over. You already used your "feet" to keep you in the obstacle so by that measure alone you are disqualified. It's the same with any other obstacle that you fall off of.. you don't get second chances like you do in Wipeout.. since it defeats the purpose of what you are supposed to be doing anyway.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jun 21, 2010 12:52:50 GMT -5
Ya'll can dissect this for me .. does the mat move away from the UCH (like it does with the Salmon Ladder) so if you end up falling down.. you fall in the water and not the mat? No it doesn't... It's held up and in place with metal bars.. The only reason Lee and Koji fell in the water was because of how far away from the end they were trying to reach.. Then again if they were at the end of the ledge they probably would have made it to the third ledge..
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Post by jfeathe on Jun 21, 2010 13:55:31 GMT -5
I can see someone horrendously twisting their ankle if they fall from the second ledge and land right on the edge of the starting platform. I would say the current setup is a design flaw; the mat should be redesigned to move away to prevent injury.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jun 21, 2010 14:46:46 GMT -5
You do realize it's a standard platform with a thick piece of padding ad the ledges don't you? EDIT:
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Post by VenusHeadTrap on Jun 21, 2010 15:50:57 GMT -5
You do realize it's a standard platform with a thick piece of padding ad the ledges don't you? and if he didn't realize that what would you do, talk down to him like he's a fool? Cut the crap. I think they should move the platform further away from the ledges.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jun 21, 2010 20:55:04 GMT -5
After me mentioning it so much they probably will... We know they read this forum..
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