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Post by supersheep on Apr 28, 2010 13:40:12 GMT -5
Regardless, the main point was that he will probably train extensively for the UB considering that's where he failed. How is training exclusively for that obstacle going to help? It wasn't a technique problem or a mental error like Yuuji, he just didn't have what it took strength or endurance wise to pass it or even come close. He had a LOT of work to do to pass stage 2.
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Post by YoDaUO on Apr 28, 2010 14:55:08 GMT -5
Make a bet with Badalight sheep
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Post by Gavo on Apr 28, 2010 14:59:46 GMT -5
I don't think bada wants to do anymore bets after sasuke 22.
On-Topic. I think in 26 sato will fail the UB again, and in the unlikely event of him clearing that the metal spin will take him out.
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Post by yamfriend on Apr 28, 2010 16:08:42 GMT -5
If he reaches Stage 2 again in 26 and it's barely changed (if at all) from 25, I think he'll have a 50/50 chance of reaching Stage 3. He's making progress more and more as each tournament passes and I think in 26 he'll have a pretty good chance of passing the Salmon Ladder + Unstable Bridge combo considering he doesn't make any stupid mistakes in the first half of the stage. Once he passes this, however, he may be rather low on time (about 20-25 or so seconds left) by the time he gets to the Balance Tank and down to around 10 seconds left once he jumps for the Metal Spin. If he can hold on to the rope, he'll have to rush like crazy if he's going to make it in time. So I could definitely see Jun Sato beating Stage 2 in 26, but with barely any time left (like Brian in 25).
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Post by chackpop on Apr 28, 2010 16:16:14 GMT -5
Sato Jun has been one of those people that I am amazed at how he performs.
His Log Grip fail in 21 made me think he would never be a threat, but he beat Stage One in 23. His horrible Salmon Ladder jump gave me doubts of his abilites. He returned in 24 and cleared a harder First Stage and made it further up the Salmon Ladder but still failed.
In 25, he really showed me he was serious. He was the first to beat Stage One, and beat the Double Salmon Ladder that knocked an all star known as Takeda. He was very low of time when he failed, only about 30 seconds left. He'll need to speed it up if he wants to make it to Stage Three. But he has great potential.
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Post by supersheep on Apr 28, 2010 16:21:05 GMT -5
He is a lot like Brian, perfect skill set for the 1st stage, horrible skill set for the 2nd stage, and 3rd stage even worse.
If you take the 4 main parkour guys that have been to stage 2 before (Levi, Brian, Rich, Jun), They are a combined 3/11 in stage 2, thats 27% if you start with Sasuke 20, which is when Levi first made it to the 2nd stage, Everyone else is a combined 23/45 which is just over 50%. So as you can seen the non parkour guys have been clearing at twice the rate as parkour guys in stage 2 since they started competing more frequently. I think theres a reason for that and is why Sato struggles so much in stage 2.
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Post by chackpop on Apr 28, 2010 16:23:27 GMT -5
He is a lot like Brian, perfect skill set for the 1st stage, horrible skill set for the 2nd stage, and 3rd stage even worse. If you take the 4 main parkour guys that have been to stage 2 before (Levi, Brian, Rich, Jun), They are a combined 3/11 in stage 2, thats 27% if you start with Sasuke 20, which is when Levi first made it to the 2nd stage, Everyone else is a combined 23/45 which is just over 50%. So as you can seen the non parkour guys have been clearing at twice the rate as parkour guys in stage 2 since they started competing more frequently. I think theres a reason for that and is why Sato struggles so much in stage 2. Well Sato Jun is only 18, he does extremely well for his age. Levi, Brian, and Rich are all older than him by like 4 to 8 years.
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Post by supersheep on Apr 28, 2010 16:27:11 GMT -5
Age is irrelivant, its how you train, and the way he trains makes himself perfect for the 1st stage and bad for the 2nd stage. Thats what make the course so difficult, you can't just be great in 1 or 2 areas, you have to be good at everything, any weakness at all will be exposed and end your run. He's improving but still has a long way to go before he's a serious threat to go deep into the course.
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Post by chackpop on Apr 28, 2010 16:34:17 GMT -5
Age is irrelivant, its how you train, and the way he trains makes himself perfect for the 1st stage and bad for the 2nd stage. Thats what make the course so difficult, you can't just be great in 1 or 2 areas, you have to be good at everything, any weakness at all will be exposed and end your run. He's improving but still has a long way to go before he's a serious threat to go deep into the course. Age has a small part to do with it. He's still a student so he doesn't train all the time with parkour unlike Levi who is a pro free runner.
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Post by YoDaUO on Apr 28, 2010 17:40:03 GMT -5
I don't think bada wants to do anymore bets after sasuke 22. I betcha he'll pass it in either 26 or 27. Infact when the betting thread comes up for 26 I may just make that bet. on topic- shouldnt being younger help him?
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Post by chackpop on Apr 29, 2010 17:36:57 GMT -5
I don't think bada wants to do anymore bets after sasuke 22. I betcha he'll pass it in either 26 or 27. Infact when the betting thread comes up for 26 I may just make that bet. on topic- shouldnt being younger help him? In the long run, yes. But for now he's by far the youngest who is constantly clearing Stage One. His strength isn't as good as an adult around 22 or 24 years of age.
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Post by arsenette on Apr 30, 2010 13:24:48 GMT -5
Age has nothing to do with it.. what's Nagasaki's excuse? He made it to the final at what age?
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Post by thebobmaster on Apr 30, 2010 13:57:58 GMT -5
Age has nothing to do with it.. what's Nagasaki's excuse? He made it to the final at what age? 19, I believe. But just look at how fit he was with his upper body. Jun Sato has the same problem as Daisuke Nakata and Naoki Iketani had pre Shin-Sasuke. Great lower body strength, but only average upper body strength. IIRC, neither Naoki nor Daisuke made it past the Lamp Grasper because of that, and the second stage has only gotten tougher due to the Salmon Ladder.
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Post by arsenette on Apr 30, 2010 14:07:07 GMT -5
.. your point is? I'm saying that age is irrelevant as to how good or bad you are as a blanket statement. Younger and older people have had varying degrees of success irregardless.
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Post by thebobmaster on Apr 30, 2010 14:08:49 GMT -5
.. your point is? I'm saying that age is irrelevant as to how good or bad you are as a blanket statement. Younger and older people have had varying degrees of success irregardless. Oh. Wow, talk about me totally missing the point. I thought you were making a direct comparison between Jun Sato and Shunsuke Nagasaki. I was pointing out the differences between them.
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Post by BLM on Apr 30, 2010 17:03:01 GMT -5
And Naoki cleared the Lamp Grasper both times he got to it
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Post by thebobmaster on Apr 30, 2010 17:38:15 GMT -5
And Naoki cleared the Lamp Grasper both times he got to it He did? *looks up on Sasukepedia* ...You'd think I'd learn to stop trusting my memory after how many times I've screwed up.
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Post by chackpop on Apr 30, 2010 17:40:49 GMT -5
For some reason I don't see Sato Jun and Nagasaki being the same age.
I guess it has something to do with Nagasaki being a trampoline player and Sato still being a student.
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Post by YoDaUO on Apr 30, 2010 18:27:20 GMT -5
Nagasaki was still a student i think.
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Post by FAMAS on Apr 30, 2010 18:30:35 GMT -5
I can't see Jun Sato getting to stage 3 just yet. In 26 I believe he will time out on the wall lift.
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