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Post by scnoi1217 on Oct 24, 2008 20:49:55 GMT -5
Since the course redesign in 18, most of the obstacles have stayed, yet much of the time, slight changes have been made to them to make them harder/easier. Between 20 and 21, I think the Log Grip and Half-pipe Attack changed. Do you think other obstacles were slightly tweaked? And do you think these changes made the obstacle harder or easier?
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Post by RiderLeangle on Oct 24, 2008 21:04:27 GMT -5
Something seems different about the Flying Chute but I can't tell what.
And it looks like they took part of the outwards wood off the jumping spider but its nothing to make a difference to the obstacle, however at the end of the Jumping Spider's Spider Walk it looks like the pads are closer so you can just drop to them instead of having to push forwards.
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Post by obakemono on Oct 25, 2008 8:49:20 GMT -5
Log Grip - no difference in difficulty Salmon Ladder - very slightly harder, not much, also makes the Stick Slider impossible to fail Wall Lift - very slightly easier, maybe Hang Climbing - thye both look hard, but I think the new one requires more grip Gliding Ring - probably just a name change, actually
That's all for me. I see no evidence that the Half Pipe Attack was changed.
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Post by The Chief on Oct 25, 2008 9:40:25 GMT -5
The only thing that was changed on the Half-Pipe attack was they stopped putting flames on it.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Oct 25, 2008 9:54:39 GMT -5
Well that was the change in 20, I think the 19 one was cooler.
And the difference between the Gliding Ring and the Final Ring is theres now a notch at the end, the Final Ring didn't have it, but I doubt it needs it.
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Post by SRW on Oct 25, 2008 10:07:53 GMT -5
I see no difference on the final/gliding ring.
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Post by dwizzo on Oct 25, 2008 11:04:58 GMT -5
The wall lift is considerably easier now... Anyone who has done deadlifts vs. rack pulls will know this...
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Post by scnoi1217 on Oct 25, 2008 11:22:45 GMT -5
It seemed that the Half-Pipe Attack didn't trip up everybody like it did in 20. Like timing your release from the rope seemed very problematic in 20, but in 21 it seemed like no one really had trouble with it. That I really can't prove with anything other than it was an observation. I can see that the landing platform was changed though. It was made closer to the water.
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Post by alphabater on Oct 25, 2008 11:25:14 GMT -5
i didn't see a difference in the log grip and the half-pipe changed from 19 to 20 -the rope got thicker in 20 and the landing pad is smaller the jumping spider changed from 18 to 19-the running start platform got much smaller in 19 the pole maze changed from 18 to 19-they made it longer the flying chute changed from 18 to 19 and from 19 to 20-in 18 you could just slide on to the rope,in 19 they raised the rope higher so now you had to jump to get it, and in 20 they got a thicker rope and lowered it so you just had to kinda hop the get it i think all the changes were hard except the flying chute from 19 to 20
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Post by RiderLeangle on Oct 25, 2008 11:47:47 GMT -5
The difference in the Log Grip was starting it, in 18, 19 and 20 you have to push it to start it, in 21 they added some kind of pressure lock thing so once you're on it drops onto the track and starts going.
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Post by obakemono on Oct 25, 2008 11:49:07 GMT -5
the jumping spider changed from 18 to 19-the running start platform got much smaller in 19 I don't know about the platform, but from 18 to 19 they raised it and put it further away. In 20, they lowered it but left it the same distance away. In other words, 18's was the easiest, 19's was the hardest, and after that they found a compromise and stuck with it. Also this is a thread about changes in 21, lol. I don't think less people failing the Half Pipe Attack means it was changed. A lot more people failed the Warped Wall in 21, but it's still identical. I think people were just more careful, or perhaps lucky. I haven't examined pictures of 20 and 21 side by side, but watching 21 I didn't notice a difference.
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Post by davidyko on Oct 25, 2008 12:04:17 GMT -5
About the Warped Wall, this was originally brought up by scnoi (props), but I think it might have been changed ever so slightly between 20 and 21. When you look at people attempting it in 20 vs. 21, a lot of 'em just barely reached it in 20, but we saw some spectacular one-fluid-motion passes in 21. Now, it could be that people just got better at the Warped Wall, but maybe it's the obstacle itself that's changed a bit. But if so, I find it unlikely that the height has changed, just maybe the curvature. (I have no direct evidence of this, btw, just observations of contestants.)
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Post by obakemono on Oct 25, 2008 13:09:33 GMT -5
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People have always done the Warped Wall with ease, in that same sort of style. Shingo used to do it all the time, as did Takeda.
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Post by davidyko on Oct 25, 2008 14:23:24 GMT -5
I guess. But they've always been good at it. Maybe it's just my imagination, but I felt like people struggled more on 20.
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Post by joemello on Oct 25, 2008 22:01:11 GMT -5
As far as I know, the Warped Wall is still 5.2m (same it's been since at least 19). Also, if you think no one struggled on the Warped Wall, just ask team Sasuke Maniac.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Oct 25, 2008 22:17:43 GMT -5
Technicly thats the height the Warped Wall was since 18, Yet no one used it at that height because of the rope of the Great Wall so I don't know if it counts. Did anyone even use the Great Wall as the Warped Wall? and if they tried would they have gotten disqualified?
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Post by scnoi1217 on Oct 25, 2008 22:20:33 GMT -5
Let's stay on topic.
But besides the Sasuke trial guys, Hiromichi Sato, and Yamada (even though he was injured) who had any trouble with it?
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Post by Badalight on Oct 27, 2008 10:10:59 GMT -5
People seem to miss this one...
SALMON LADER: No not the weights ont he end, no not the stick slider change. Look at the final notch. You cannot say that it's the same heigth as it used to be. Look at a picture from 20, then look at one from 21. The final notch is easier this time around, although the salmon ladder is still the same heigth, they made the last notch further down. So that gap got easier, but the gap after got slightly harder.
Also Oba: the Jumping Spider DID have a smaller runup in 19 than in 18. Just look at the pictures, there's a HUUUUGE difference.
- Log grip was changed
- Jumping Spider was changed
- Pole maze: This actually looks like it's been changed, look at the track, it looks like you have to wait a little bit longer before you take it to the right sider, I'm skeptical on this one, I've never compared pictures, it just seemed like it when I watched the broadcast for the first time, someone check for me please! =]
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Post by obakemono on Oct 27, 2008 12:51:04 GMT -5
SALMON LADER: No not the weights ont he end, no not the stick slider change. Look at the final notch. You cannot say that it's the same heigth as it used to be. Yes you can.
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Post by Badalight on Oct 27, 2008 13:13:54 GMT -5
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