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Post by lars072 on Mar 29, 2010 20:51:39 GMT -5
Actually lars it would be good to do a separate thread on the actual content of the show because it does have a point in how this particular one was presented. It was a huge risk what they did. Unfortunately it doesn't deal with the actual ratings issue.. but I would like to discuss it. Think you can cut and paste and start a new thread on the format of Sasuke 25? Ask and you shall receive girl! Done! |
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Post by joemello on Mar 29, 2010 22:46:42 GMT -5
Spent a good day reading blog post.. The biggest concern was .. wait for it.. "No Sato Hiromichi" (the amount of posts for "Big Brother" was.. staggering... /facepalm. Well I'm not surprised. Granted, I'm completely ignorant of Japanese culture outside of certain aspects, but for I know, Sato could be Japan's Dick Clark or someone like Bob from Sesame Street. (aside: If Bob from Sesame Street was on Sasuke, that would be the most awesomest thing ever) If he's popular, he's popular. Sasuke 25 was like filling the Hollywood Squares with F-list no-names. Sure, the game can still be entertaining, but your hook is gone. I don't think "old" is the right term now. Perhaps "worn down" is more like it. They've been at this for a while now, and someone like Okuyama is doing wonderfully while being older than all of them. Perhaps this is due to the training of a (former) pro athlete or maybe the baseball adage "the arm can throw only so many pitches" applies here. I'm also thinking that Nagano has the yips, but I digress. Everybody dropped the ball here. From the network to the producers to casting to everyone else down the line. |
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Post by arsenette on Mar 29, 2010 22:59:14 GMT -5
Everybody dropped the ball here. From the network to the producers to casting to everyone else down the line. As sad as it sounds.. I agree 100% on that. |
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Post by Badalight on Mar 29, 2010 22:59:15 GMT -5
1 bad rating =/= cancel. Even Ube said himself TBS might've even over-looked this completely, meaning this rating means nothing.
I'll make a bet that we'll see atleast to Sasuke 30. If I'm right everyone who disagrees can send me an apologetic pm ;D
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Post by TCM on Mar 29, 2010 23:09:18 GMT -5
Everybody dropped the ball here. From the network to the producers to casting to everyone else down the line. I agree with this statement the most. To the hardcore Sasuke fan, this was a fairly well tournament, B- for me. To a casual Sasuke fan (the ones who watch for their favorite comedian then end up watching the entire broadcast) this sucked. I only recognized Dandy and Rien (the two from that boy band) as joke competitors. If there were any more that participated in the past, I didn't recognize them. MM not being there HURT them imo. Hell, I was shocked when I didn't see Wakky or Monkiki. Bottom line, you can't be too uptight on keeping things spoiled which causes you to advertise days before the event, nor can you expect a big turnout for a 2 months difference by word-of-mouth alone. Now that Sasuke is back to normal in terms of scheduling, maybe they'll think about what they did wrong and change their advertising habits and the course. IMO I wouldn't touch the course if it means you'll make a key mistake in the advertising. That's the difference between Japan and USA. USA shows with longevity normally has enough hardcore fans to simply cater to them. And even then it's tough to do so when that season's sport is reaching its "huzzah" point, but they have clever ways of keeping fans. In Japan, it seems, they give up before they even try, but still have those "didn't see that coming moments" like now. Not saying the US doesn't have those, but this is more typical of what I've seen. Unless I'm totally wrong, then it just seems like I'm talking out of my a**. |
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Post by lostinube on Mar 29, 2010 23:10:45 GMT -5
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Post by arsenette on Mar 29, 2010 23:25:56 GMT -5
IMO one of your best blogs.. ever.. LOL |
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Post by lostinube on Mar 29, 2010 23:32:58 GMT -5
Re: Japan blogs
It's not about spoilers. Celebs will have it on their schedules as either posts or information that is updated from time to time. That gets the information out there. Celebs are the most reliable group in terms of keeping things secret yet still getting the message out. Once it is "official" fans spread the word or blog about it themselves. An appearance from a mid-level comedy duo (License) had tons of blogs repeating the same information over and over. That's good for the show.
A rice farmer from Niigata? A very random guy from Mongolia? That we found anything about anyone is surprising in retrospect. Compare the list of known competitors for 25 versus just the celeb list from 24 or 23. We knew nothing about this show going in other than a few TV articles and a couple of commercials.
The official websites don't actually tell you anything (the web site especially so, the mobile site has at least some interesting things). All the web site is is a shrine to the show. More people probably found out about the show from the Muscle Park blog than the SASUKE website.
They don't need a freaking website. They need a standalone TV show like Kinniku Banzuke - and not some late-night show that only people in Tokyo will see like SASUKE Mania - that people will see week in and week out and pound into people's heads that SASUKE is coming. This show was like going back in time promotion wise.
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Post by arsenette on Mar 29, 2010 23:41:44 GMT -5
They don't need a freaking website. They need a standalone TV show like Kinniku Banzuke - and not some late-night show that only people in Tokyo will see like SASUKE Mania - that people will see week in and week out and pound into people's heads that SASUKE is coming. This show was like going back in time promotion wise. I didn't think about that.. the concept of Banzuke since that was national and not just Kanto region. Agreed. though the likelihood of them actually doing something like that is so low though.. Gah.. I want to pound my head up against the wall.. |
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Post by TCM on Mar 30, 2010 0:20:16 GMT -5
To go sort of off-topic a second, how were ratings towards the end of Banzuke? If they were relatively high, maybe they would have lasted and have the promotion needed for Sasuke?
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Post by arsenette on Mar 30, 2010 0:30:20 GMT -5
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Post by supernovamaniac on Mar 30, 2010 13:49:40 GMT -5
Remember everyone before you read my post that this is just my OPINION..if you can't handle that then please get some therapy. I'm sorry, I thought forums were meant for discussions and talking about/against other people's opinion. |
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Post by arsenette on Mar 31, 2010 22:44:01 GMT -5
www.videor.co.jp/data/ratedata/top10.htmThis of course will change on it's own date (and I'll add that link) but scroll down to part 7 (which I believe are sports/variety shows) to get the best picture....
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Post by gtoneko on Apr 1, 2010 0:00:48 GMT -5
....jeez. Sorry to say, but it really was bad timing on TBS's part. At least alot of us did watch, just wished it'd count towards their rating to help it a bit. *shrugs*
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Post by arsenette on Apr 1, 2010 0:06:15 GMT -5
From my estimation the online community was at it's highest point. My rough guess was somewhere near 4-5k watching (at least from the feeds we had and that's not including all of them!). Day for us helped since Europe was Sunday morning/afternoon and even us in the USA it was early morning into breakfast time on a typical non-school/work day. Just a shame in Japan the casual viewer chose to watch other things instead.  |
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Post by gtoneko on Apr 1, 2010 0:09:56 GMT -5
Probably with the fact that almost EVERYONE who knew about the broadcast well ahead was able to this time compared to a weekday showing.
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Post by arsenette on Apr 1, 2010 0:16:02 GMT -5
Probably with the fact that almost EVERYONE who knew about the broadcast well ahead was able to this time compared to a weekday showing. Very true we did have 5 weeks to prepare. Though at this point I don't care what day of the week they show it provided it has much better ratings than this. I want the show to survive in Japan. |
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Post by gtoneko on Apr 1, 2010 0:21:57 GMT -5
We all do, we all do. Just gotta see what happens for the next tournament.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 1, 2010 2:04:24 GMT -5
Weren't the ratings for 23 and 24 pretty good, though? A very strong argument could be made that Sasuke 25 was all about promoting tourism and the "renewal" in the spirit of taking advantage of popularity abroad. A sacrificial lamb argument, so to speak, if anyone of importance was willing to make it.
Yamada has retired and actually been absent for a tournament before. Sasuke 26 could be Sasuke 14 all over again with him unable to bear being away and with a refreshed desire to succeed. With much of the course being "not new" after 25 has already happened, a glut of Japanese comedians that the overseas markets don't care about failing the Dome Steps (Doom Steps?) and Rolling Log and Jump Hang for the first 2 hours of the broadcast could be in order.
They could always encourage their overseas markets by having a few international competitors that don't even receive numbers or get a single frame of tv time unless they pass the First Stage. They could essentially have several countries send individual competitors on their own dime (kinda like Lee originally) and give them the ANW treatment (but with the 10 competitors not all being American). Any First Stage fails among these contestants could be ignored entirely on the domestic broadcast and not alienate the Japanese viewing public.
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On the other hand, Japan is well-known for retiring people and things just as their popularity/success begin to fade. Examples are sumo champions that begin to lose and the TV show Iron Chef (which was still quite popular but beginning to lose popularity).
I'm going to try to remain positive. I think the argument is valid that the show is doing just fine regardless of the domestic viewership of this one tournament. Hence, there's hope.
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Post by jfeathe on Apr 1, 2010 10:13:19 GMT -5
Probably with the fact that almost EVERYONE who knew about the broadcast well ahead was able to this time compared to a weekday showing. Very true we did have 5 weeks to prepare. Though at this point I don't care what day of the week they show it provided it has much better ratings than this. I want the show to survive in Japan. The thing is, we seemed to be the only group that had such advanced warning. Besides the tv guide and the couple of commercials, was there ANY advertisement for Sasuke 25 in Japan? I know the TBS page had it, but honestly, who looks at a tv station's website. No special previews or anything (the navi doens't count- they do that for every Sasuke). |
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