venomcarnage89
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Post by venomcarnage89 on Apr 4, 2010 8:45:46 GMT -5
Ya then that is definitely a huge project. Anti gravity devices are like 1000 man hours a piece to build on your own, I know they don't sell 'em at home depot, and considering you need one for each corner I guess you've got your work cut out for you.
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Post by davidcampbell on Apr 17, 2010 3:06:10 GMT -5
Ok havn't been keeping up with this thread, but I have measurements for the new cliff. These are from some high res photos, not from the broadcast, and they're in english not metric. They should be accurate within and inch or 2 and I'm pretty confident about them, but wouldn't stake my life on them, you know? I made them before reading the announced specs....not sure which I trust more....probably mine? Anyway... Total width:30' Total Height (of silver plywood not including legs): 12' 1: 6' gap: 7" 2: 6' gap: 22" 3: 10' gap:3' 4: 4' gap: 3.5'x1' 5: 6" gap: 3.5'x2' 6: 6' And yes I realize that if you add this all up it comes out to 30.5'. Deal with it Haven't got a figure for the angle of the surface the 1st 2 rails are mounted to yet.
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Post by davidcampbell on Apr 17, 2010 3:47:05 GMT -5
Ok, I got about 34deg for the lower plywood face. That's not super accurate though because I used a screen grap that wasn't quite directly at the side. This measurement isn't critical though.
OK! NOW the question is: if the face is 34deg and the rails are 24deg and 12deg each, what angle will each of the first two rails have to be at for the top edge to be level?
You may now kick yourself for telling you math teacher "when am I ever going to use this in my life?!"
Chris??
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Post by davidcampbell on Apr 17, 2010 4:13:02 GMT -5
Oh wait, it just came to me...divide angle of face by 90 , then multiply angle of rail by the result and you'll have the angle that the back of the rail needs to be, to be level!!!! (I think) If you don't do this the top of the rail will be angled in your favor and make it too easy. Example: 34deg divided by 90deg=0.378 0.378x24=9.07 You can use this formula to calculate for whatever angle your plywood ends up being, just change the xx divided by 90. I THINK this works, but can any of you verify (just came up with this in my head while taking a dump) Edit: Nope, this is wrong. Totally backwards actually.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Apr 17, 2010 10:00:53 GMT -5
These are from some high res photos, not from the broadcast. You've got to share those... I have to wonder one thing.. Did you go to Japan as a guest (I'm guessing Levi's) and managed to avoid being seen by every camera or did you just get him to take pics for you? XD
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venomcarnage89
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Post by venomcarnage89 on Apr 17, 2010 12:03:35 GMT -5
Oh wait, it just came to me...divide angle of face by 90 , then multiply angle of rail by the result and you'll have the angle that the back of the rail needs to be, to be level!!!! (I think) If you don't do this the top of the rail will be angled in your favor and make it too easy. Example: 34deg divided by 90deg=0.378 0.378x24=9.07 You can use this formula to calculate for whatever angle your plywood ends up being, just change the xx divided by 90. I THINK this works, but can any of you verify (just came up with this in my head while taking a dump) Its not nearly that hard to be honest. All you have to do is subtract the angle of the wall from 90. For example a 34 degree wall " \ " 90-34= 56 so take the ledge you will use, cut it at that angle to match " \ " and they will meet at an angle that will keep the ledge perpendicular to the ground _\ A ledge like this " _|" has 0 degrees cut on the ledge, and the wall is 90, so if the wall itself is curved at 34 degrees all you have to do is cut the ledge at 56 to keep the ledge at a 90 degree angle.
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Post by davidcampbell on Apr 17, 2010 13:18:37 GMT -5
Oh, for that you don't even need math. You just cut in the ledge at 34 deg (same angle as wall in leaning out). Subtracting from 90 works too, if you want to put an extra step in.
What I'm talking about is that if you get the rail level while it is horizontal and mounted to an angled surface, as you start rotating it to 24deg the other axis that you want to stay level starts tilting up (so it becomes a gutter that you are hanging on and not a flat ledge).
Unclesam who's a whiz at geometry took a look at my formula this morning and said it looked good.
To explain it another way, as you tilt the side to side dimention down to 24deg the 3cm dimention that goes front to back starts tilting up in the front making it super easy to hang on.
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venomcarnage89
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Post by venomcarnage89 on Apr 17, 2010 14:32:16 GMT -5
I know why you started adding the extra stuff in, because of the ledge itself going upwards on the 24 and 12 degree angles, but it stays perpendicular with the ground for me, I already have some ledges up on an angled wall, and with the ledges themselves going up like that sideways V, they didn't start doing what you said, they stayed perpendicular. But perhaps I didn't cut the angles perfectly and the grabbing area may have been tilted downwards if the ledge wasn't on the angle, and angling it canceled it out, if so I lucked out, who knows.
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Post by theannoyingninja on Apr 17, 2010 15:41:03 GMT -5
I,m pretty worried if I DO decide to build this. I would need to have a whole wall. Or I would need to have several vertical planks hanging down from my deck and I would have to build ledges off of that. That,s a LOT of work for something that I am going to have to wait 8 years before I can compete. If Sasuke is still around.
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Post by davidcampbell on May 5, 2010 2:05:49 GMT -5
Oh wait, it just came to me...divide angle of face by 90 , then multiply angle of rail by the result and you'll have the angle that the back of the rail needs to be, to be level!!!! (I think) If you don't do this the top of the rail will be angled in your favor and make it too easy. Example: 34deg divided by 90deg=0.378 0.378x24=9.07 You can use this formula to calculate for whatever angle your plywood ends up being, just change the xx divided by 90. I THINK this works, but can any of you verify (just came up with this in my head while taking a dump) Edit: Nope, this is wrong. Totally backwards actually. Hope nobody used this formula! I got it backwards. The greater the angle of the rail the greater the back cut needs to be to compensate for the downward slope. I haven't figured out a formula that does work yet. Taking my last formula and adding the extra bit instead of subtracting gets you close, but not close enough. It seems to be exponential, the amount you have to compensate as the angle of the rail increases. For now I'd say just get a level and a protractor and measure very carefully to fine the angle. Or you can just cut it to 34 deg and not compensate at all. That way the surface you grip will actually be tilted downward slightly making it harder (but still possible) to grip. This may actually be a better way to do it as harder is always better. (that's what she said) And actually this MAY be the way it is at Sasuke, I'm not sure either way. The pictures and screen graps I have aren't taken from the right angle to be able to tell that small of a difference. This may be part of the reason people were failing so hard. Because it was angles slightly downward. ....or not? I just have the torrent of Sasuke 25 to take screen grabs from, is there a higher res version out there?
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Post by RiderLeangle on May 5, 2010 11:36:22 GMT -5
Well it looks like the race for building an accurate one is over.. unfortunately.. The guy who made it managed to fail the Dome Steps so not sure how much that matters.. XD
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Post by FAMAS on May 5, 2010 11:39:54 GMT -5
That guy is so cool, I think he would've gone really far if he hadn't slipped up on those damn dome steps. Hope he returns.
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Post by artyfowljr on May 5, 2010 11:44:29 GMT -5
Oh.My.F*in.God. HE JUST BEAT THAT THING, HOLY COW!!! Damn. I want one to train on. Damn!!
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Post by RiderLeangle on May 5, 2010 11:48:22 GMT -5
Well.. A steps fail guy beat the UCH... Well.. Seems TBS needs to think up a new stage 3.. UNCLI guys will kill it in an instant..
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Post by supersheep on May 5, 2010 12:31:34 GMT -5
Off Topic: Those guys must like my videos, that the 3rd YT video of mine that one of them has used as their background music! XD
On Topic: Well we know its possible now, maybe it was a shock factor or an inexperience factor. I have to admit I was totally shocked at how bad they looked on it.
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Post by RiderLeangle on May 5, 2010 12:35:43 GMT -5
Well just think of it this way.. He Yuuji Rolled all of us Well I knew the UCH was beatable, I just was wondering how long it'd take until we actually witnessed it.. And is the small ledge really far enough away that it has to be jumped to on the real one? I thought you could reach to it..
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Post by jfeathe on May 5, 2010 13:02:27 GMT -5
Yes! Someone finally did it! Good for him.
The only problem is, it looked like that completely drained him. He still has the first 3 obstacles to get through.
Still, that was an incredible accomplishment. Now it's time for a Dome Steps replica...
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Post by YoDaUO on May 5, 2010 13:21:58 GMT -5
hahha. Yeah. Kinda hard to believe he can do that but not the first obstacle.
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Post by artyfowljr on May 5, 2010 13:46:33 GMT -5
IMO he just tripped, nothing else. He expected the angle of the steps to be different, and fell off. Still, that means he has to work on his agility and reflexes. The guy is incredibly strong, I've seen some pretty crazy stuff in this and a couple of other videos.I wouldn't underestimate him.
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Post by supersheep on May 5, 2010 13:47:55 GMT -5
I dont look THAT much into the Dome Steps fail. Yes it was very unfortunate but what you all forget is the Dome Steps were not the same as the Rokudantobi at all. Even Levi said they were a lot harder and obviously he wasn't prepared either and he's a pro free runner.
Remembre when the Godantobi was first introduced in Sasuke 8 and 50 people failed? Then in Sasuke 9 Akiyama failed the steps and at that time he was still a real threat.
I suspect that that failure will do nothing more than motivate him more than he already was, and its very apparent from his newer videos that that is the case.
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