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Post by davidcampbell on Apr 6, 2010 3:32:12 GMT -5
I said bad, because it's pretty much Sasuke 17 I was like WTF?? It's supposed to get harder not easier. But I'm not complaining. I hope it's the same when I get there, heh! If Sasuke 22 was like that I woulda cleared it easy. Though, I do hate that rolling log, it malfunctions and falls off the track or rolls backward or stops rolling all the time. Not looking forward to that one.
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Post by arsenette on Apr 6, 2010 3:35:07 GMT -5
Though, I do hate that rolling log, it malfunctions and falls off the track or rolls backward or stops rolling all the time. Not looking forward to that one. Actually this is the "better" Rolling Log that's on a rail rather than a box. THAT one got stuck all the time and came off the tracks. This one doesn't... thank God..
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Post by artyfowljr on Apr 6, 2010 7:58:27 GMT -5
OK. The Dome Steps were ok, I've always liked the Jump Hang, it's pretty good overall, but I don't like the Rolling Log that much anymore and I would have prefered to have the Jumping Spider back rather than the Log Grip. I wanted some new obstacles, the Bridge Jump is very nice but it should be just a bit harder. They should decide which log obstacle they want to keep, and if they keep the log grip they should move it back to second obstacle. Oh, and the rope wall has served it's purpose in Shin-Sasuke. Either come up with some new (nearly infailable. The last obstacle is supposed to be a time waster, IMO) rope climbing thingie, or bring back the Tarzan Rope + Rope Climb. Yes, it would be another old obstacle brought back, but the Rope Wall was pretty boring for me to watch. Plus, a competitor who does good and reaches it with some time left can still fail if he/she has bad luck and gets a leg stuck in the ladder. That is no good.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Apr 6, 2010 11:32:39 GMT -5
Though, I do hate that rolling log, it malfunctions and falls off the track or rolls backward or stops rolling all the time. Not looking forward to that one. Actually this is the "better" Rolling Log that's on a rail rather than a box. THAT one got stuck all the time and came off the tracks. This one doesn't... thank God.. Let me clarify even further.. There are 3 versions of the Rolling Maruta The original one which had a track that could hold the weight but wasn't really secured by anything but it's own track so the track itself shook alot, also the stoppers on the end weren't that big so the log could easily come off it's tracks. The Sandan Rolling Maruta (Literally 3 level Rolling Log) is the most infamous one.. It's the one with 2 small drops and it had a small bungee cable thing on top of where the log was on the track. The stoppers on the Sandan were the same size as on the original. If it was rolling angled at the slope the stoppers will bump and roll onto the next level and immediately fall off the track, Also the cables that are supposed to be keeping the log on were tight on the log so that creates frictoin which not only slows the log down, But it can make it can have one side have more friction than the other, shifting the weight and causing the log to fall off (Ask okuyama about the stick slider if you want it described better ). And the worst part of all is TBS would not give you a Re-Run because the way they saw it if you failed from the log falling off the track it fell off because YOU did something wrong even though the obstacle was the problem. The new version of the Rolling Maruta from Sasuke 25 was mostly like the original version except it had suports under the track and the stoppers on he end of the log were larger than on any of the previous versions, it still stops but I don't remember seeing any derailments in 25 (I may have forgotten them if they were in a FF and there are 20 people we didn't see run stage 1 too so I'm not saying it didn't..). So this version has eliminated most of the tech problems but it's not completely fixed because the obstacle design has always been flawed.. (I think I should say Thanks for Reading here with as long of a post this is XD)
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Post by YoDaUO on Apr 6, 2010 14:47:06 GMT -5
Dang i never even knew that the rolling log ever changed.
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Post by davidcampbell on Apr 6, 2010 16:50:15 GMT -5
Yeah the rolling log had less problems than usual, and no rerailments, but it spopped rolling at least once, and if that happens, even if you manage to muscle the thing and slide it down, you've wasted a ton of time and energy, so you're kinda screwed regardless.
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Post by arsenette on Apr 6, 2010 18:44:39 GMT -5
And the worst part of all is TBS would not give you a Re-Run because the way they saw it if you failed from the log falling off the track it fell off because YOU did something wrong even though the obstacle was the problem. That is where you are incorrect though. It WAS the problem of the person. You have to show control and placement on the obstacle. YES it had problems but they only went violent when they were not done properly (I'm thinking of Ishimaru in this regard). So I have to agree with TBS on this one. I am happy they changed it though but it still gets stuck for the same reason it got stuck before. You did it wrong.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Apr 6, 2010 22:47:30 GMT -5
3-12 and 25 if you have problems you are doing it wrong, Sandan Rolling Maruta I already said how it has tech problems all on it's own
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Post by arsenette on Apr 7, 2010 23:16:45 GMT -5
Btw now with Nagano talking about it.. I guess the angle was slightly steeper if this was the fastest Rolling Log they've had... (of course looking at Yuuji.. I thought he was going to spew after it... but he had never done the obstacles before so hardly a way to compare it).
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Post by RiderLeangle on Apr 7, 2010 23:27:28 GMT -5
Well the old one kept bouncing from lack of supports that they added and the sandan had those cables and drops that slowed it down.. Even if it wasn't steeper by much it'd still be the fastest.
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Post by arsenette on Apr 7, 2010 23:30:32 GMT -5
Well the old one kept bouncing from lack of supports that they added and the sandan had those cables and drops that slowed it down.. Even if it wasn't steeper by much it'd still be the fastest. Wow I forgot about the cables.. you are right on that.. makes a whole lot more sense even if the pitch wasn't greater..
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Post by RiderLeangle on Apr 7, 2010 23:34:43 GMT -5
I'm trying to figure out how the word pitch got into that sentence.. did it have a different meaning before I was born? But yeah, the Sandan Rolling Maruta had cable things on it (looked like bungee cords by how easily moved and back into place they were), I guess they were SUPPOSED to keep it on the track but that didn't work too well now did it?.. And I remembered something about Sasuke you didn't? this confirms I have 0% of a life XD
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Post by arsenette on Apr 7, 2010 23:42:08 GMT -5
I'm trying to figure out how the word pitch got into that sentence.. did it have a different meaning before I was born? .. what do they teach these days.. /facepalm en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PitchSpatial measurements Angles: * Pitch on (or accommodating to) terrain, a.k.a. grade (slope) * Roof pitch relates to the slope and inclination angle * Pitch as a component of articulated-appendage or vehicle orientation, part of roll, pitch, and yaw
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Post by RiderLeangle on Apr 7, 2010 23:56:21 GMT -5
I'm trying to figure out how the word pitch got into that sentence.. did it have a different meaning before I was born? .. what do they teach these days.. /facepalm en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PitchSpatial measurements Angles: * Pitch on (or accommodating to) terrain, a.k.a. grade (slope) * Roof pitch relates to the slope and inclination angle * Pitch as a component of articulated-appendage or vehicle orientation, part of roll, pitch, and yaw So uhhhm... Is that a yes?... But the point is theres a different Rolling Maruta except now it's more stable and secure (I have no clue why they didn't decide to make the stoppers on the end of the log bigger before.. What Monster9 does never makes sense usually)
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Post by arsenette on Apr 8, 2010 0:05:27 GMT -5
Well they tried to make it safer but caused more issues at the end. Given the timing of a lot of the chances (read Ube's why they canceled Banzuke post on his site) and you get an idea when they started to do all of these "safety" devices.. and screwed them up even more. These area a hell of a lot more streamlined now. Far from perfect but there's only so much you can get from testing with competent people.. they have to guess what inexperienced people will do.. that's where the rolling log can be a disaster.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Apr 8, 2010 0:14:52 GMT -5
If that was the logic wouldn't they have modified the Rolling Maruta to have the cables in Sasuke 10 (First tournament after the Banzuke incident.. wow I have no life for knowing that XD). As for the bigger stoppers as opposed to the cables.. I dunno about you but it never derailed that we saw in 25 so that would make it safest despite the speed, just saying.. As for your last point, Rope Glider.. That's all I have to say (Granted that confirms your point but I never tried to disprove it now did I? )
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Post by arsenette on Apr 8, 2010 0:17:21 GMT -5
Hey I wouldn't have minded the Rope Glider except for the moron who attached a wire cable to it (where it would snap back in the faces of everyone.. ) so it would be faster to reset the obstacle.. As for the yahoo's who didn't let go of it and careened off course.. there's not a whole lot to talk about there
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Post by RiderLeangle on Apr 8, 2010 0:29:33 GMT -5
I was referring to incidents about it more like this..And how exactly would they reset it without that cable thing? Have a guy holding the rope between his legs as he climbs up the rope all day?
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Post by arsenette on Apr 8, 2010 0:31:55 GMT -5
They didn't secure the cable... it was a separate thing that kept snapping into people's faces... duct tape could have helped.. LOL
Oh and nothing can cure stupid .. LOL
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Post by RiderLeangle on Apr 8, 2010 0:42:19 GMT -5
They didn't secure the cable... it was a separate thing that kept snapping into people's faces... duct tape could have helped.. LOL Oh and nothing can cure stupid .. LOL What part do you mean because it's been a while since I've seen 18 and you aren't really describing it good XD So you're saying the 5 people who got hurt were idiots pretty much?
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