A Good Workout Program

[Oti]

You've nailed everything perfectly.

Personally, I use punching bags and stuff like that as ways to practice techniques. Sparring is when I put it all together.

[venomcarnage89]

The size gain was in all of those, but specifically my triceps once I started that workout, they also got alot more toned than my biceps faster despite me doing no workouts specifically for them. It was definitely not from fat loss, I used to be extremely skinny where my wrists and forearms were almost the same size, I have more fat now than I did then, not to mention alot more muscle, so any definition gains were not from fat loss at all.

It is better to have powerful arms and chest, its definitely not a negative, but you can have a powerful punch as long as your chest and arms aren't abysmal. The weakest link comment would be represented best if every link in the chain were equally important, and technique+core strength are the most important links, if either of them were very weak then the chain would not be strong at all, but arm/chest strength are not as important as the other two listed. As before with my comment about if someones strength isn't abysmal, take a man with only average chest/arm strength proportinal to size, but his core/legs/technique were superb, he would still have a very powerful punch(obviously increasing the arm/chest area would only help) but it would not be nearly that powerful if you swap out any of those more important factors with arm/chest strength for a different combo of strengths/weaknesses.

[Oti]

The size gain was in all of those, but specifically my triceps once I started that workout,

That exercise doesn't target the triceps at all, so unless you were doing it absolutely incorrectly, there's no way it helped your triceps. Did you do other exercises?

they also got alot more toned than my biceps faster despite me doing no workouts specifically for them.

The rate at which a body part loses fat and becomes more defined (because "toned" is being used incorrectly here) is independent of whether or not you're working that body part. You can do nothing but pull-ups and your butt can get more defined. The body loses fat the way it wants and exercising one body part does not affect the fat loss in that specific area.

It was definitely not from fat loss, I used to be extremely skinny where my wrists and forearms were almost the same size, I have more fat now than I did then, not to mention alot more muscle, so any definition gains were not from fat loss at all.

Improved definition comes from fat loss. Bodybuilders "bulk" to gain muscle, then "cut" to lose fat and get more defined. Unless you're suggesting that you had no muscle to be defined before? I dunno. I'm lost.

[venomcarnage89]

I was doing the workout correctly, and I was building my triceps. I was doing many more workouts, but almost all of them I was doing consistently before I added the rows into the mix, I remember the building and definition coming in after I added the rows.

Cutting fat is not the pure and simple way definition improves, if someone loses fat and has no muscle to be shown off then they will not be getting very define. They will look tighter but not muscular. I am not exaggerating the build my triceps got very built off of it compared to them before. Much more than burning fat alone would ever allow, even if I had built triceps hiding under any fat, or any fat to burn in the first place.

No I did not have any muscle when I started, I was one of those super thin weak kids with nothing on their bones 5 or so years ago. I built some of my muscle before adding the rows, but as I said before the build in the triceps came after adding them, since I started with nothing I pretty much had nothing on the areas I didn't previously focus on.

[Oti]

Cutting fat is not the pure and simple way definition improves,

Bodybuilders disagree.

if someone loses fat and has no muscle to be shown off then they will not be getting very define. They will look tighter but not muscular. I am not exaggerating the build my triceps got very built off of it compared to them before. Much more than burning fat alone would ever allow, even if I had built triceps hiding under any fat, or any fat to burn in the first place.

Well if you have no muscle, you shouldn't be concerned with cutting anyway. You should focus on bulking for the most part.

Now, bent over rows DO NOT work the triceps directly. The long heads of the triceps are used for a stabilizer, though. Maybe that's what happened.

[Deleted]

Why is the Bench Press irrelevant to Sasuke though?

[Oti]

You will not be performing that motion on the course (as of Sasuke 24, at least). Therefore, the bench press is irrelevant.

Think of it this way: if you have a 500 lbs bench press, will that help you on Sasuke? Not much. It's good to have that kind of chest, shoulder and tricep strength, but on which obstacle will you be doing a bench press-like motion? None.

[venomcarnage89]

Are we bodybuilders? More like, are we built with body types like bodybuilders? No.
If you are 300lbs and built like a semi truck, then yes, the only way to get more definition is to lose so it gets tighter. But different body types act differently and when your not as built as a bodybuilder your body will get tighter and more defined AS it gets bigger. For me at least.

Who said I was concerned with cutting? I was focusing only on bulking, I gained 35lbs in 8 months and I definitely did not do that focusing on definition and burning body fat, but my definition is very good and according to you I should have no definition if I gained all that size. Everyones body is different, maybe this is the difference between us. When I workout, even if its purely to build mass, my muscles get a certain amount bigger, then there is a small period where they are bigger than before and a little less defined but as I workout(the same way I did to get bigger, not changing anything) they then get really defined before they get bigger again, its a rinse and repeat of those stages for me and always has been since I gained my weight.

[FAMAS]

Wait wait wait..... venom did you just say you gained 35 lbs of muscle in 8 months? Because I'm pretty sure that's impossible. It would take a few years to gain that much, (In muscle anyway). Forigve me if I misunderstood.

[venomcarnage89]

No you heard pretty correct, I went from 120(thats how effing thin I used to be) at the start of a year to 155 before winter even got very close, between August and September. Its definitely possible if someone puts their mind and body into it. Not saying 100% of it was muscle, because I have more fat than I did before, but considering I still have hardly any fat at all, it was largly muscle gain at around an 80/20 ratio or close to it.

[Badalight]

It's not impossible because that's almost the same exact situation for me. In 1 year I went from 125-155. Mostly muscle, obviously some fat but yeah, I've had a weights class and I've been working a lot harder than before.

So I can attest to that and say it IS possible, very possible. Granted you have to start off really skinny and work really hard, but yeah totally possible.

[Oti]

and according to you I should have no definition if I gained all that size.

That's not what I'm saying.

Everyones body is different, maybe this is the difference between us.

We are all physiologically the same. That's why I can give workout advice to JP.

And I agree. 35 pounds of muscle in 8 months works out to about a pound or so of muscle a week. Really small guys with no lifting experience would probably be able to gain that if they wanted to.