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Post by robm on Jan 18, 2010 9:15:49 GMT -5
Uh-huh. And Americans wonder why they are disliked in most parts of the world. [/quote] Much in same way folks hate the High School quarterback, is it a lack of humility on the quarterback part, or jealousy on the others part.
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Post by awee1975 on Jan 18, 2010 10:19:33 GMT -5
Unfortunately, it is called "Sasuke" only & NOT..."Sasuke World Series" or "National Sasuke League World Championships" OR " National Sasuke Association World Championship"etc...cause Americans love to be world champions only & nothing else.
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Post by lars072 on Jan 18, 2010 10:36:41 GMT -5
Unfortunately, it is called "Sasuke" only & NOT..."Sasuke World Series" or "National Sasuke League World Championships" OR "National Sasuke Association World Championship"etc...cause Americans love to be world champions only & nothing else. My favorite Olympic moments were when the mighty USA didn't win the gold when they thought all they had it in the bag. Priceless...
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Post by awee1975 on Jan 18, 2010 10:38:27 GMT -5
I don't want to start a war here so...
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Post by scopedknife on Jan 30, 2010 11:30:42 GMT -5
Personally, I think it's the time of the New Stars. Yes, Nagano and Takeda will continue to perform well, and Shingo will always be awesome, but really I think the New Stars will be the ones to rule SASUKE from now on.
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Post by Badalight on Jan 30, 2010 14:53:48 GMT -5
Well, considering over half of the all-stars are pretty much dead, it's a bit unfair. So just taking shingo, Takeda, and Nagano, and comparing them to say... Yuuji, Kanno, and Koji. I think the all-stars will have a better shot. I'm trying to think of how shingo will do. Will having new obstacles help him make less mistakes because of some mental issue? I mean it had to suck reaching the HPA platform everytime and trying to keep calm, lol. Nagano and Takeda are good at adapting. I don't believe Kanno or Yuuji are as good. Koji is a hit and miss. The WW always gives him some trouble though. But his performance in 24 showed he can beat things on his first try. His first attempts at stage 2 and 3 were great, and he had an amazing final stage attempt. Shingo = Koji Takeda = Kanno Nagano = Yuuji And in that case I'd probably say Shingo < Koji Takeda > Kanno Nagano > Yuuji In which I'd give it to the all-stars, but remember I'm disregarding the other 3 entirely.
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Post by Zorn on Jan 30, 2010 23:45:54 GMT -5
Shingo = Koji Takeda = Kanno Nagano = Yuuji You know for some reason I like this comparison. IMO it seems accurate to me.
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Post by YoDaUO on Jan 31, 2010 11:18:21 GMT -5
Kanno kind of reminds me of nagasaki.
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Post by chackpop on Jan 31, 2010 11:34:55 GMT -5
Well, considering over half of the all-stars are pretty much dead, it's a bit unfair. So just taking shingo, Takeda, and Nagano, and comparing them to say... Yuuji, Kanno, and Koji. I think the all-stars will have a better shot. I'm trying to think of how shingo will do. Will having new obstacles help him make less mistakes because of some mental issue? I mean it had to suck reaching the HPA platform everytime and trying to keep calm, lol. Nagano and Takeda are good at adapting. I don't believe Kanno or Yuuji are as good. Koji is a hit and miss. The WW always gives him some trouble though. But his performance in 24 showed he can beat things on his first try. His first attempts at stage 2 and 3 were great, and he had an amazing final stage attempt. Shingo = Koji Takeda = Kanno Nagano = Yuuji And in that case I'd probably say Shingo < Koji Takeda > Kanno Nagano > Yuuji In which I'd give it to the all-stars, but remember I'm disregarding the other 3 entirely. I'd agree with you if there were only 3 New Stars. But the fact is, there are more New Stars. Sato Jun, Kawaguchi Tomohiro, Tajima Naoya are other examples of New Stars. All 3 of these competitors were able to complete the first stage, while 4 all stars were not. EDGE: New Stars
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Post by Badalight on Jan 31, 2010 12:51:25 GMT -5
Uhm Chack my friend, I said in my post "DISREGARDING THE OTHER 3 ALL-STARS" Meaning it was only a 3 on 3 comparison to make it fair. There are more new-stars so you obviously have to limit it, or else it'd be an unfair comparison. So at most it'd be 6 all-stars Vs. 6 new stars. Except we don't know if Bunpei is competing 5 Yamada might be retired 4 Akiyama missed tons of tournaments 3 So my comparison was fair. If I wanted to I would've taken out shingo because he has a shoulder injury and hasn't been doing good on the course, but I left him in there because he still competes, the other 3 are unknowns. And to be fair even more, I still took arguably the 3 best newstars to compare them too. So actually think before you accuse me of something
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Post by scnoi1217 on Jan 31, 2010 14:43:24 GMT -5
In that direct comparison, then yea, arguably the All-Stars are better. But looking at the groups as a whole, which is what chack was saying, New Stars get the nod, which I would agree with.
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Post by chackpop on Jan 31, 2010 14:52:37 GMT -5
Thank you scnoi. I mean no offense to you Bada, but this thread is Group vs Group, not 3 of the best against 3 of the best.
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Post by Badalight on Jan 31, 2010 15:28:33 GMT -5
In that direct comparison, then yea, arguably the All-Stars are better. But looking at the groups as a whole, which is what chack was saying, New Stars get the nod, which I would agree with. I guess you both missed the part of my post that said "in which I'd give it to the all-stars, but remember I'm disregarding the other 3 entirely." implying that if I included the other 3, it'd be obvious as to who the winners were. Also, you're forgetting what this thread is about. This isn't about who is better, it's about who will do better in Sasuke 25. I made my post on the notion that 3 of the all-stars probably wouldn't competing, it's not my fault they happend to be the worst of the 6 currently. If Nagano had an injury and couldn't make it to 25 he wouldn't be included in my list either, so it'd be a 2 Vs. 2 thing. It's not like I was trying to give an unfair advantage to the all-stars. If I wanted to do that I would've paired Nagano and Takeda solely against Jun Sato and Kawaguchi. That's no fun, 90% of the people who come in here would say the new-stars are better because when you look at Bunpei, Akiyama, and Yamada in comparison to say Takeda and Nagano, there is a large curve in sucess on the course, recently anyway. Basically my post was, best vs. the best. I also did it considering the other 3 might night compete anymore. Yamada is "retired" akiyama missed tournaments all the time, and Bunpei is injured. It's unfair to add them into the discussion because chances are none of them will be competing in Sasuke 25. Actually to further my point and my rant, read the first post again Specifically the bolded part. " With the course being redsigned again, which group will have better luck with it? The All Stars or the New Stars, Yuuji, Kanno, Sato Jun, Hashimoto, Tajima Naoya, Kawaguchi Tomohiro? " So we talking about which group will do better in Sasuke 25. Like I said, the chances that Bunpei Akiyama and Yamada will compete are slim to none, so why include them? They can't do good in 25 if they arn't there. So then it'd be 3 vs. 6, which is obviously a huge disadvantage. So since Shingo, Takeda, and Nagano are arguably the best all-stars currently, I took in my opinion the 3 best new-stars, Kanno, Yuuji, and Koji. So there was nothing wrong with what I did and you shouldn't make a big deal about it This is also a very ridiculous statement on your part, Chack. "All 3 of these competitors were able to complete the first stage, while 4 all stars were not." 1 of the all-stars didn't compete, so of course he didn't beat the first stage. Also one of them is legally blind, and 2 have shoulder injuries. It's like comparing 80 year old Nagano to 30 year old Nagano.
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Post by VenusHeadTrap on Jan 31, 2010 17:18:01 GMT -5
It's like comparing 80 year old Nagano to 30 year old Nagano. and This is my biggest problem with comparing the older to the younger. Sometimes it feels ridiculous to expect some of the all stars, after seeing the condition they're in to keep up with these newer guys that have their whole lives ahead of them. Though there can be a healing power if you have the right point of view on things; years of experience vs. younger bodies?
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Post by chackpop on Jan 31, 2010 18:55:25 GMT -5
Bada, I'm not making a big deal about this. You just wrote ten paragraphs to show me that I was wrong.
Also, when I said 4 all stars did not clear stage one, I didn't include Bunpei. If you remember, Nagano, Yamamoto, Yamada, and Shingo failed the first stage.
And your comment about 80 year old Nagano is completely over exajerating things. Sasuke 21 had the All Stars dominate STQ's despite the age.
The choice is not obvious.
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Post by Badalight on Jan 31, 2010 19:51:01 GMT -5
When you add Akiyama, Yamada, and Bunpei into the mix, or make it a 3 vs. 6 then yes, the choice is obvoius.
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Post by scnoi1217 on Jan 31, 2010 20:22:15 GMT -5
Considering chack was the person who made the thread, I think he would know what the thread is about. Plus, Bada, the poll question at the top of the page says this: "Poll Question: Who do you think will do better in the new era of Sasuke?" So, no it isn't just 25 (unless the show is cancelled after it). My opinion still stands. Given time and everything, the New Stars will beat the All-Stars in any 3x3, 2x2, 1x1 match-up.
Seriously, if you want to disagree and put up facts about why your opinion is the correct one, than fine, but please stop with the comments saying that we "don't get it" or "don't understand". We understand, and yet, we disagree.
And yes, before this post neither me nor chack was making a "big deal out of it"
/rant
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Post by Badalight on Jan 31, 2010 22:00:46 GMT -5
"Given time and everything, the New Stars will beat the All-Stars in any 3x3, 2x2, 1x1 match-up. "
Really?
Do you believe
Jun Sato and kawaguchi
are better than
Nagano and Takeda?
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Post by chackpop on Jan 31, 2010 22:18:35 GMT -5
Currently Jun Sato is 18 years old. Kawaguchi, on the other hand, is older. However, maybe he's like Tajima. We could see his full potential unleashed in 25.
Right now, Nagano and Takeda are better than Jun and Kawaguchi.
In three years? That might change.
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Post by FAMAS on Feb 1, 2010 8:53:11 GMT -5
In my opinion I think Yuuji should be made an all-star as he did get kanzenseiha(sp?) and also because their group needs help! Nagano, Takeda and Shingo need backup!
And also as I said before I don't think they should be called new stars because they won't be new forever! They should be called the 2nd gen all-stars or all-stars: the next generation.
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