chackpop
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Post by chackpop on Jan 16, 2010 15:15:35 GMT -5
I was watching Sato Jun's 24 first stage run and it gave me some thoughts. With the course being redsigned again, which group will have better luck with it? The All Stars or the New Stars, Yuuji, Kanno, Sato Jun, Hashimoto, Tajima Naoya, Kawaguchi Tomohiro?
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baronbk
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Post by baronbk on Jan 16, 2010 16:15:40 GMT -5
You should have added the Americans
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Post by VenusHeadTrap on Jan 16, 2010 16:57:49 GMT -5
The All Stars have likely been cut down to 3, you know which, while the other 3 standing no chance, you know which 3. New Stars have a better chance completely, no guarantee that they'll do better.
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Post by Badalight on Jan 16, 2010 17:14:18 GMT -5
If the numbers were even 3 on 3, the all-stars.
Besides, new stars are younger, all-stars are getting old. Though Nagano is still better than them all.
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FAMAS
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Post by FAMAS on Jan 16, 2010 18:20:39 GMT -5
Nagano is still the best so All-stars, although I'd prefer the All-stars even if Nagano wasn't as good as the new stars.
But I like Yuuji and Hashimoto. Kanno I'm not too keen on, I dunno why lol I think he seems quite arrogant but it's probably just me being paranoid.
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Post by Badalight on Jan 16, 2010 20:08:48 GMT -5
Well, in terms of likeness, I like the all-stars more.
Bar Yuuji because I've loved him ever since I saw bug in miki on keyhole 2ish years ago.
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Post by yamfriend on Jan 16, 2010 20:50:23 GMT -5
New-Stars=younger/strength in numbers FORGIVE ME NAGANO!
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lars072
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Post by lars072 on Jan 17, 2010 0:02:10 GMT -5
You should have added the Americans Why?
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 17, 2010 0:31:56 GMT -5
You should have added the Americans Why? Because Levi tends to do quite well when "adjusting to something new" is involved, and that's what we're expecting from Sasuke 25. Also, David Campbell is due for some revenge on the course. Let's hold out hope that the Americans get back a non-intrusive presence on the course!
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lars072
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Post by lars072 on Jan 17, 2010 0:54:00 GMT -5
Because Levi tends to do quite well when "adjusting to something new" is involved, and that's what we're expecting from Sasuke 25. Also, David Campbell is due for some revenge on the course. Let's hold out hope that the Americans get back a non-intrusive presence on the course! I kind of liked SASUKE 24 without the 'American influence' TBH. We'll see what TBS does...they seem to love Levi for some reason.
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Post by YoDaUO on Jan 17, 2010 1:04:32 GMT -5
I hate to admit it but the new stars. Still voted for allstars though xD.
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Post by YoDaUO on Jan 17, 2010 1:06:37 GMT -5
Actually, i think akiyama, yamada, bumpei, and yamamoto wont pass this first stage a lot. But nagano and takeda will show them!
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lars072
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Post by lars072 on Jan 17, 2010 1:13:39 GMT -5
Actually, i think akiyama, yamada, bumpei, and yamamoto will never pass the first stage again But nagano and takeda will show them! Nagano yes, but Takeda has never made the final stage- what's to say he will do it in this 'new' version. For him, anything less than getting to the final stage now would be considered a failure.
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Post by awee1975 on Jan 17, 2010 1:22:57 GMT -5
lars i think yodauo said "first" stage not final.
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Post by awee1975 on Jan 17, 2010 1:36:37 GMT -5
How about neither? I have a "wild crazy" theory:-
It depends on how the course is changed. The different stars emerged in different eras. Akiyama & Yamada are the icons of the "pioneer" era. Takeda, Nagano, Bunpei emerged later & then the "New Stars" during shin era. Shingo is an exception of course but even Shingo seem to struggle in the shin era ( 1 in 7 attempts ).
I suspect ( maybe i am wrong ) this is due to the course. The course changes affect different competitors differently as everyone has different strengths & weaknesses. Shinji has not cleared the shin sasuke era. Okuyama "emerged" during shin era.
So if m9 make small changes to the course, we will see the same "old-stars & new-stars". If they make a revolutionary change to the course, we may see some "unknown" names emerge. The present "stars" like Nagano or Yuuji will probably be able to clear the 1st stage but may have no more chance with kanzenseiha again.
Eg. When things like W.Wall , Jump Hang & Crooked Wall / HPA came out, Akiyama starts to struggle. Monkey Omori Akira is another example, he start to fail 1st stage with rolling log & Jump Hang.
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lars072
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Post by lars072 on Jan 17, 2010 5:50:50 GMT -5
How about neither? I have a "wild crazy" theory:- It depends on how the course is changed. The different stars emerged in different eras. Akiyama & Yamada are the icons of the "pioneer" era. Takeda, Nagano, Bunpei emerged later & then the "New Stars" during shin era. Shingo is an exception of course but even Shingo seem to struggle in the shin era ( 1 in 7 attempts ). I suspect ( maybe i am wrong ) this is due to the course. The course changes affect different competitors differently as everyone has different strengths & weaknesses. Shinji has not cleared the shin sasuke era. Okuyama "emerged" during shin era. So if m9 make small changes to the course, we will see the same "old-stars & new-stars". If they make a revolutionary change to the course, we may see some "unknown" names emerge. The present "stars" like Nagano or Yuuji will probably be able to clear the 1st stage but may have no more chance with kanzenseiha again. Eg. When things like W.Wall , Jump Hang & Crooked Wall / HPA came out, Akiyama starts to struggle. Monkey Omori Akira is another example, he start to fail 1st stage with rolling log & Jump Hang. Yes, I agree with some of your points. However, I think that the tuly great competitors adapt to any course as was evident in the last few competitions when we all thought the course was too difficult during 18-21. Yes, there may be new comprtitors who do well on the new course, but a lot will depend on the obstacles and how much this new course will change. The top competitors who constantly train will continue to do well. This includes Yuuji, Kanno, Nagano, Takeda, Lee, Okuyama, Kenji, and some of the newer STQ'ers we've seen. It may take time to adjust to the new course, but they will figure it out and likley build replicas in their backyards. I for one haven't been so excited to see the next SASUKE as I am now. I really hope the course is quite different, challenging, but not impossible. We'll see...
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Zorn
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Post by Zorn on Jan 17, 2010 20:25:31 GMT -5
I actually said I don't know. For me it's like in one tourney the All Stars do better then in the next the New Stars dominate. Seems like some sort of pattern that changes often. Although I think they're on par with each other. Maybe some more than others.
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robm
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Post by robm on Jan 17, 2010 21:38:10 GMT -5
I think the Americans will soon dominate the Sasuke world. We are starting to attract the imagination of those with the athletic ability to compete at a high level. Look at the Tour De France the was a time no American had competed, the came Greg LeMond. Shortly after his first TDF, he won the thing, and would have won five if he wasn't injured. Then American teams started competing and winning. A lot of that is because the level of competition in the US has also risen. Another example is the American Soccer team qualifying for the World's Cup. When Americans focus, and spend money, on a sport they dominate. But, if this happens and Americans start ripping through the course, leaving the locals behind, the ratings will drop, and Sasuke will disappear. GO ALL-STARS!!!
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Post by intelligentinfer on Jan 17, 2010 21:59:11 GMT -5
If the wall's gone, 5 All-Stars will clear stage 1 and Yamada will come really close and even have a chance. GO ALL-STARS!
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lars072
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Post by lars072 on Jan 18, 2010 9:04:28 GMT -5
I think the Americans will soon dominate the Sasuke world. When Americans focus, and spend money, on a sport they dominate. But, if this happens and Americans start ripping through the course, leaving the locals behind, the ratings will drop, and Sasuke will disappear. GO ALL-STARS!!! Uh-huh. And Americans wonder why they are disliked in most parts of the world.
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