Why did Monster 9... *S-S-S-Spoilers*

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want someone to win anyways?

Was it just for ratings?

I mean, they should've known that the magic of Sasuke is thats its nearly impossible every tournament.

So why were they pushing for a win? I mean, they never did this before... I think, judging on the fact that the tournament usually gets harder when someone gets to the final stage, which didn't happen this time around.

Another thing is that the obstacles are getting less and less clever (I guess this is more of an opinion, but w/e) and having someone win could totally make the new obstacles lame. (What I'm hoping is their saving their best obstacle idea's for this era)

Also, I had a dream that this next era will become the "Best of Sasuke obstacles" era, just mish-mashing every obstacle from the entire tournament.

I hope not.

/Ramble.

[rodprime79]

I hear what you're saying. I'm also wondering why the 'change of heart' when their original desire was to make sure that no one passed the first stage. Must've been the backlash from 19.

[VenusHeadTrap]

Jan 13, 2010 0:09:58 GMT -5 rodprime79 said:

I hear what you're saying. I'm also wondering why the 'change of heart' when their original desire was to make sure that no one passed the first stage. Must've been the backlash from 19.

Seems like the tournament with the worst results would produce that change in heart, but I think it came a while later. Not 2007, no, the word didn't get around at all that they thought it would be best to have a kanzenseiha until 2009- 23. If, not solely just ratings, but popularity and reactions were better upon Yuuji in 22, I think that's what excited M9 to hype up the possibility of winning.

[arsenette]

My own opinion is based on Ube's rant from 18. They didn't radically change the tourney in 18 like they should have after 17's win so therefore so many people caught on to Shin-Sasuke and it was just a matter of time until they beat it. When they do beat it they can TOTALLY revamp the course and move on to a new era. IMO of course.

[scnoi1217]

Jan 13, 2010 0:44:48 GMT -5 VenusHeadTrap said:

Jan 13, 2010 0:09:58 GMT -5 rodprime79 said:

I hear what you're saying. I'm also wondering why the 'change of heart' when their original desire was to make sure that no one passed the first stage. Must've been the backlash from 19.

Seems like the tournament with the worst results would produce that change in heart, but I think it came a while later. Not 2007, no, the word didn't get around at all that they thought it would be best to have a kanzenseiha until 2009- 23. If, not solely just ratings, but popularity and reactions were better upon Yuuji in 22, I think that's what excited M9 to hype up the possibility of winning.

Really well put Venus, and I agree 100%. I think that for 18, the producers were sincerely trying to make the course as new and as hard as possible. That's why when it didn't work, they really analyzed what worked and what didn't and adjusted it accordingly for 19. Then from there, the logical progression of 5-17 started until the end of 22. Once they saw the reaction they got to someone almost winning, and the ratings spike from that, they changed their dynamic to getting as many people into the latter stages as possible without sacrificing too much. All that time, the Second Stage did get harder, its just that the First and Third didn't follow that progression.

[Badalight]

I agree with Scnoi and Venus 100%. Exactly what I was thinking before I even read your responses.

[gtoneko]

That seems to be the case as of late. Since the beginning, the first three stages have been about seeing how far one can get, with the first weeding out the ones not up to par or taking it serious enough. At the time, it seemed over about 10-15+ who made it to the second stage. Stage 2 upped the difficulty, yet didn't make TOO many changes. Stage 3 had quite a few changes since the one and only Pipe Slider didn't make it's true debut until Sasuke 2 and the Cliff Hanger in 4. Final stage of course was the finale to see how much of a bad mofo one can be to last the entire day.

When the 2nd generation of Sasuke started, it became brutal at first for the first stage with a few changes at start and then making MANY changes from 9 on up. Even with all the changes, the difficulty was really apparent that one NEEDED to step up their game to advance. Stage 2 after 8 on up had the fewest changes and by far, wasn't AS difficult, but challenging with the fact that the time limit had made alot of the competitors throw caution to the wind as far making it to the end in one piece. Stage 3......became one of the most grueling stages for 13 tournaments with the Body Prop coming on board, Cliff Hanger now being the staple of "almost there", and the Pipe Slider making it's actual change....if I remember correctly, around 14.

With the Shin-Sasuke era, the changes were there, but stage 2 was just brutal with the Salmon Ladder becoming one of the most feared obstacles along with stage 1's Jumping Spider. For stage 3, not too many changes again, but with Shin Cliff Hanger, it was daunting at first, but to see so many being able to pass now, it seems the technique is key compared to having strength like the originals.


All in all, generation 1, simple yet tricky; generation 2, HARD (13 tournaments after all); generation 3, hard and tricky, but not as hard towards the end.....to a point.

[Captain Obvious]

I don't see the problem with them wanting to leave things mostly alone until someone wins. The difficulty increases in tournaments 9 and 14 were unneeded.

Without the third stage revamp in the 14th Tournament, we could have had a satisfying second kanzenseiha (possibly from bunpei or takeda), and then a revamp of the third stage to 14-15 difficulty (or 19-24 difficulty) would have felt natural.

A drastic increase in difficulty when all 100 people lose seems disheartening.

[jfeathe]

For the most part, Sasuke's obstacle progression has been fair. Most changes seemed to be only to keep things fresh while increasing the difficulty only a little. They need to do this to keep people from replicating and mastering obstacles.

Once in awhile, they added an obstacle designed to fail a lot of contestants such as the Cliff Hanger and the Metal Spin.

I do think, however, that the producers went overboard in Sasuke 14. They made the course too hard too fast.

[lars072]

Jan 15, 2010 15:05:06 GMT -5 jfeathe said:

For the most part, Sasuke's obstacle progression has been fair. Most changes seemed to be only to keep things fresh while increasing the difficulty only a little. They need to do this to keep people from replicating and mastering obstacles.

Once in awhile, they added an obstacle designed to fail a lot of contestants such as the Cliff Hanger and the Metal Spin.

I do think, however, that the producers went overboard in Sasuke 14. They made the course too hard too fast.

SASUKE 14 was difficult because stage 3 was near impossible. It IMO is still the most difficult 3rd stage EVER though some may disagree. Taking out the Rumbling Dice and reducing the bars from 6 to 4 made it somewhat easier and led to 2 guys getting to the final in 17 and Nagano's win. The prodcuers realized this fact when they made those changes. You'd have few competitors get tothe final if SASUKE 14/15 stage 3 came back..

[supersheep]

I think the real problem was that stage 3 didn't progress with stage 1 and 2. While stage 1 everyone can agree is much longer and harder than those of 13-17, however, Stage 3 is probably at best equal in difficulty to the previous version.
So as the competitors got stronger and stronger and got more experience, stage 3 just wasn't that big of a final hurdle like it was previously.

[artyfowljr]

Jan 17, 2010 18:29:23 GMT -5 supersheep said:

I think the real problem was that stage 3 didn't progress with stage 1 and 2. While stage 1 everyone can agree is much longer and harder than those of 13-17, however, Stage 3 is probably at best equal in difficulty to the previous version.
So as the competitors got stronger and stronger and got more experience, stage 3 just wasn't that big of a final hurdle like it was previously.

[VenusHeadTrap]

Oh you liked it that way sheep, tell me you weren't happy about 5 final stage visitors. I don't think they changed stage 3 since 19 because they wanted people in the final stage, it was about time to change it by the time 24 came around, but they didn't and we know why.

edit: and I don't consider replacing one of the first 3 obstacles to be "changes" it is non problematic obstacle adding. (see: rope junction)