joemello
Komiya Rie
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Post by joemello on Jan 8, 2010 14:50:39 GMT -5
I REALLY do like to believe Yamada could go to therapy or something Oh he needs therapy, all right. Saying Takeda is rubbish is like saying Phil Mickelson can't play golf. Also, I think Nagano's just run out of karma.
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Post by YoDaUO on Jan 8, 2010 16:34:55 GMT -5
I hate to admit it shiratori, shingo, yamada and akiyama are already done. Akiyamas attempt on the wall proved he cant do it at all and he was really out of breath. Even if he starts training for sasuke again i sitll doubt he will make past the first stage. Shiratori is getting injured for every tourney, by the time he finally comes back the course will be much harder. And he will have injury problems AND he is already in his 40s. Shingo is almost done unfortunately. He will never pass the third stage with his shoulder. On top of all that he will probobly start timing out in the first stage. If he trains real hard he will get to the third but never final. Yamada is "retired". I still beleive he can make the first stage. In 24 if he made it past the warped wall in one time he woulda cleared. Takeda will keep getting to the third stage, on his 15 attempt he will get to final. (i just have a feeling). Nagano, if he takes his time and doesnt repeat his 24 mistake, he can acheive total victory again. My guess is that by sasuke 35 will be the last tourney an original all star passes the first stage. Man time flies. They should make all the all stars in their 20s again
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Mar 1, 2010 22:10:28 GMT -5
I dont really see any problems with Takeda or Nagano. Shingo is fine too, just makes stupid mistakes. Yamada and Akiyama, well, just forget about them. Bunpei is getting older but we cant tell if he descending with his skill and strength untill he competes again. Yuuji, Enchi, Hashimoto, Okuyama, Kanno, and Takahashi all seem to be pretty consistent now at days, but that could change. Anyway, I dont think you have to worry about Nagano at all. Same with Takeda, maybe a little bit but remember it's Takeda -_- And Shingo will be Shingo, I think they will be fine but for the other 3, God help them
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Post by Badalight on Mar 1, 2010 22:21:04 GMT -5
Even Takeda and shingo are going downhill, or have limits they just can't pass. I guess we'll just see their performance is 25.
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Post by naganosupreeeme on Mar 15, 2010 11:03:21 GMT -5
Seemed to me like Akiyama is just blind and did a poor job with foot placement so he couldn't get the push necassary to get up. Also after an initial failure his tactic changed horribly and he ran at the wall instead of up it. He may need leg training cause those things are sticks. They all still have the potential to make it through stage 1.
You guys are falling into the traps all fans fall in. When an all-pro becomes all-world being all-pro seems like garbage. Now that other people are all world the all-stars no longer seem as good as they were. This new generation is on another level because they're mid-20's. At best the all-stars STARTED late 20's. Now they're mid-late 30's.
If they started mass failing for 2 competitions at the log grip and spider jump it's over. Until that day any one of them can still get to 2 and 3
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Post by Badalight on Mar 15, 2010 22:28:38 GMT -5
I'd really love to see akiyama and yamada get to stage 3, or even 2... to bad that hasn't happend since Sasuke 12.
That means half of sasuke history they havn't gotten past stage 1, and now their chances are very slim with the complete redesign.
Shingo has shoulder problems, him passing stage 3 is night impossible.
Nagano and Takeda can still be good, but they are reaching their limits and they can only go downhill from here.
Bunpei isn't even competing anymore, and back + leg injuries will keep him from doing great.
So maybe you have an excuse for Akiyama in 24, but what about the other 11 times he failed?
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Post by TCM on Mar 15, 2010 22:45:59 GMT -5
I'd really love to see akiyama and yamada get to stage 3, or even 2... to bad that hasn't happend since Sasuke 12. That means half of sasuke history they havn't gotten past stage 1, and now their chances are very slim with the complete redesign. Shingo has shoulder problems, him passing stage 3 is night impossible. Nagano and Takeda can still be good, but they are reaching their limits and they can only go downhill from here. Bunpei isn't even competing anymore, and back + leg injuries will keep him from doing great. So maybe you have an excuse for Akiyama in 24, but what about the other 11 times he failed? Lack of familiarity, his eyesight? I doubt just because Nagano made a mindless error, and that Takeda tied his previous effort (just failed at a different point), means they're headed toward a downhill spiral. Bad luck =/= Deteriorating skill
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Post by Oti on Mar 15, 2010 23:29:44 GMT -5
I agree with G4Fan. You can't say they've reached their limits just because they haven't done better lately. They could both start new exercise routines and blast themselves into the best shape of their lives. Older people have done it.
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Post by The Chief on Mar 16, 2010 13:09:18 GMT -5
I think that the only thing keeping Takeda back is that he doesn't regulate his strength well enough.
Bunpei is getting old and hurt, so he is getting worse.
As mentioned previously, Shingo has shoulder problems, and, while he can still do well in Stage 1 and 2, can't preform as best as he could in Stage 3(which SUCKS).
Akiyama's eyes are an issue, but he can still go deep into Stage 1. I think that if he passed the Soritatsu Kabe in a couple of tries in 24, he would have cleared Stage 1.
Nagano is Nagano, damnit! He's still awesome.
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Post by Badalight on Mar 20, 2010 13:06:18 GMT -5
I agree with G4Fan. You can't say they've reached their limits just because they haven't done better lately. They could both start new exercise routines and blast themselves into the best shape of their lives. Older people have done it. My post really wasn't aimed at nagano or Takeda, I know they still have plenty left in them. But for him to say Akiyama and Yamada have just been unlucky I thought was just downright wrong. They've failed stage 1 half of sasuke's history... in a row. That can't only be attributed to bad luck. I'm sure some runs they may have been unlucky, but that's not the only reason why they can't pass stage 1 anymore. Bunpei and shingo can still do good, but injuries hold them back, so they are in kind of the same category. And like I said nagano and Takeda are pretty much the only hope the all-stars have, yeah they could suddenly get amazing and start working out like never before, but I don't believe they are going to do anything spur of the moment like that. If they do I'll eat my words They can still do good but I still believe Nagano has passed his prime and the gap between the all-stars and the newer generation is becoming apparent. Once the newer generation get more experience on the course, it'll be their stomping ground and the all-stars will steadily get older and worse. tier 1 Nagano and takeda tier 2 Bunpei and Shingo tier 3 Yamada and Akiyama That's how I'd currently rank the all-stars. The higher the tier the better, and the first listed in each tier is better than the second. Seriously speaking, disregarding nagano and takeda for a moment, do you really think any of the other 4 have a chance at beating the entire thing? Not likely.
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Post by YoDaUO on Mar 20, 2010 14:04:26 GMT -5
Yamada - If he finally beats the first stage, then he will have no experience in the later stages, and of course, age. Akiyama- As long as the warped wall stays, he cant do it. Shingo - When was the last time he got past the cliff hanger? Bumpei - If he was younger, i would believe he could do it. But now, too many injures and older age.
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Post by naganosupreeeme on Apr 18, 2010 13:42:21 GMT -5
So maybe you have an excuse for Akiyama in 24, but what about the other 11 times he failed? Who said I was specifically talking about 24? Every1 knows he's half blind and it's been a major barrier to him. Can't run up the wall right (I also mentioned his legs are twigs and stronger legs might help him), couldn't find the halfpipe attack rope, used to miss the netting on the jump hang. IF you were responding to me (Ur comments don't make sense if you were) than all I said was these 3rd & 2nd tier all stars have some physcial limitations that are keeping them from finishing a specific obstacle or two. Any one of the All-Stars does the Warped wall in one go and they're very likely to hit the third stage. Like I said until they start consistently failing the log grip and jumping spider they are more than capable of making the 3rd. That first stage has a lot of tricky timing type of obstacles, like timing the jump right on jumping spider or placing footing right to run up wall or hitting circle slider springboard just right. It's easy for any1 to screw those up despite all the training. The later stages are more about heart, strength and perserverence which they all have.
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Post by Badalight on Apr 18, 2010 18:56:18 GMT -5
Way to revive a dead topic... again.
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Post by theannoyingninja on Apr 18, 2010 20:32:47 GMT -5
Shingo, Takeda and Nagano are fine. The others are done for. Yeah that was exactly what I was thinking. The other all-stars had their run and it's over. I just wish Takeda could make it past stage 3
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Zorn
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Post by Zorn on Apr 19, 2010 0:12:34 GMT -5
Shingo, Takeda and Nagano are fine. The others are done for. I just wish Takeda could make it past stage 3 Don't we all......
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Post by zdude69closedrofl on Aug 18, 2011 0:01:17 GMT -5
Old topic, I know. But I really wanted to share my input on this, if I could please.
Nagano - Still has it in him, but has clearly been struggling lately. I'm sure he can pull it together in the next tourney though. He clearly has the potential. I mean, he's been to the final stage more than anyone else. I can see him making it to the final stage at least one more time.
Takeda - His only real issue is his endurance, but then again, he's kind of always had that issue. He still has a lot more consistency and energy than most competitors. But he is a bit outmatched when it comes to the New Stars, like others have been saying. I can't really say how well he'd do in the final stage, because he is still yet to attempt it. But being a firefighter, I think he should do pretty well.
Yamamoto - I honestly don't see him having too much of a problem with the first two stages. His consistency is kind of lackluster is his problem. And his shoulder is a big factor in competing. I can see him getting to the UCH at best. But I can't see him ever winning, to be fair. Could he pass Stage 1? Yes. Could he pass Stage 2? Yes, but barely. Stage 3? Highly unlikely. Stage 4? Almost positive that that's a no.
Akiyama - Probably one of the least likely all stars. I mean, he had trouble just clearing the Altered Sasuke after his win. Another thing is that he hardly competes in the later tournaments. He obviously has the speed and strength, but he struggles with obstacles like the Warped Wall. And he sometimes can barely reach the rope in the HPA. His blindness is obviously getting in the way. If he passes the Warped Wall, maybe. But I can't see that happening at the moment.
Shiratori - To be honest, I don't see why people are writing him off so quickly. I mean, we haven't seen him even attempt the new course. Besides, the last time he competed, he DID clear Stage 1. People using age as an excuse, it's seriously just a number. I mean, look at competitors like Okuyama. He's in his early forties, but he consistently still makes it to Stage 3. And as for injuries, remember when he suffered with heat exhaustion? He still made it further than most competitors in that tournament. AND he's consistent. I can definitely still see him going to Stage 3. Stage 4 is a bit less likely, but it CAN happen.
Yamada - About as likely to clear as Akiyama is. He's not as fast as he used to be for one. He has struggled to clear since the 14th tournament. And if he can't even scale the Warped Wall in one go anymore, how can he pass Stage 1? I mean, let's be fair. If he somehow one day makes it to the third stage, he'll probably do really well since upper body strength is his specialty. But if he can't handle the first two stages, we may never see him even make it there.
I'd say this would be the order:
Nagano Takeda Shiratori Yamamoto Yamada Akiyama
Just my opinion.
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Post by Badalight on Aug 18, 2011 0:08:26 GMT -5
The all-stars can still preform, but none of them will beat all 4 stages except possibly Nagano, and he doesn't have a whole lot of time to do so.
Akiyama, yamada, Bunpei, Shingo, Takeda. They won't beat all 4 stages. Shingo has his shoulder problems, as does Takeda. Let's be realistic here. If Takeda couldn't be the Shin-Sasuke stage 3, you think he could ever beat the new one? The UCH is just too menacing. I doubt he'll ever pass it, if he can even get to it.
People write off Bunpei because he's old, he has tons of injuries, and he has almost no experience with the new obstacles.
Shingo simply won't beat the new stage 3. His shoulder won't let him, nor was he ever that strong in stage 3 to begin with.
Yamada has potential, but even if he finally conquers stage 1, stages 2 and 3 are all foreign territory and I doubt his heavy frame would ever pass the UCH.
Akiyama has potential, more so I'd say than Yamada... but I'd wager his chances of beating stage 1 are even slimer.
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