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Post by Badalight on Jan 2, 2010 5:06:39 GMT -5
Hey, this thread contains SPOILERS AS SEEN IN THE TITLE. I am one of the few nice enough to let you know that in advance Now, I love the all-stars deeply, but they're done for. Akiyama - His attempt at the warped wall was one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen. He killed it up to that point, but that was just sad. I don't think he'll ever clear that obstacle. The chance of actually grabbing the rope on the HPA is slim. He finally grabbed it only to be stopped by the wall. Akiyama's attendance is getting worse and worse and I feel like he'll never beat stage 1 again. Yamada - Honestly one of his best performances shin-Sasuke wise. He took every obstacle and isolated it. He was focused ready to win. If his fingers were 2 centimeters higher he would've grabbed the top of the wall, and his strength would've been enough to pull him over. He had okay time and could've cleared stage 1 if he made it on his first try up that wall (He was VERY close). Though he is retired now, and even if he's not the chances of him having a performance like that again are slim to none. Bunpei - Old and crippled. His Shin-Sasuke record is worse than Shingo's. He's old and with injuries he may not even compete again, but him beating stage 1 is looking impossible. Shingo - Look at his shin-sasuke record. His new nickname should be Mr. unreliable. With shoulder problems stage 3 seems like an impossibility to beat. Takeda - 5 clears in a row, almost 6, yet you did the worst out of all of them? On the same obstacle you failed last time? This was your chance man... to be fair Takeda is very consistant, but compared to the new stars he is almost outmatched completely. He doesn't share their speed or stamina. Nagano - he still has it in him, but man... That was literally his worst performance to date. Well tied for worst.
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Post by davidyko on Jan 2, 2010 5:52:13 GMT -5
Agree with pretty much everything. The All-Stars as a group/entity are done for. The only person who even has a chance after this renewal'll be the last guy you mentioned.
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Post by lars072 on Jan 2, 2010 7:23:42 GMT -5
Maybe they're done, maybe not. And I agree that Nagano's performance was woeful. But you know what, I wouldn't put it past Nagano to come back in the future and defeat whatever crazy course the producers put together. Write off Nagano at your peril.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2010 9:31:29 GMT -5
Weren't there comments like this after 22? Nagano mentioned in the radio interview in April that he didn't like people saying that the All-Stars were finished and should retire.
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Post by Oti on Jan 2, 2010 10:25:32 GMT -5
Shingo, Takeda and Nagano are fine. The others are done for.
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Post by scnoi1217 on Jan 2, 2010 11:12:38 GMT -5
As a whole, yea they are pretty much done. Akiyama and Yamada don't have what it takes to make it up the Warped Wall anymore (at a consistent basis). Bunpei is done due to injury, although if he was still healthy, I think he would do quite well.
Shingo, although inconsistent, still has what it takes to go deep and make a good Third Stage run. Takeda has been quite consistent in Shin-SASUKE and will continue to do well and consistently make it back to the Third Stage. Whether he'll ever make it to the Final, we'll see.
Nagano, of course will do well. Despite his awful 24 run, he still is one of the people that always has a chance to go far and make the Final every time he beats the First Stage.
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Post by BLM on Jan 2, 2010 12:14:24 GMT -5
Yamada, Akiyama, Shiritori, and Shingo have no chance of Kanzenseiha anymore but Takeda still can do it if he works on his endurance which hurts him every tournament and Nagano well we all know he can still do it.
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Post by Badalight on Jan 2, 2010 12:23:10 GMT -5
Well shingo's shoulder will prevent him from ever beating stage 4, and the chances of him beating stage 3 are extremely low. If there is still a cliff-hanger in the new stage 3 I don't see him ever passing it.
Takeda is good, but the newer, younger talents are making him look like trash. People like Yuuji are faster and have more stamina. Of course Takeda has things of his own that make him good like technique... but compared to the new stars it's hard to call him an all-star.
I'd even wager Okuyama is better than Takeda now.
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Post by TCM on Jan 2, 2010 12:50:35 GMT -5
Well it's one thing to say they're done, but it's another thing to just call them trash. Kinda harsh, since claiming you still love them. Tough love on the internet just makes you seem like a "D-Bag". Plus, Okuyama is older than Takeda, so by your logic, Takeda can "one-up" Okuyama before Takeda retires.
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Post by Badalight on Jan 2, 2010 12:52:08 GMT -5
Thought someone would comment on that. I think when I made the thread title I was going for "trashed". I also couldn't think of any other word, but I do love the all-stars. No hatin' there.
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Post by yamfriend on Jan 2, 2010 16:20:40 GMT -5
Yamada, Akiyama, and Shiratori will probably never even beat Stage 1 again IMO. Yamamoto still has some chance in possibly getting past Stage 1 again, but him achieving Kanzenseiha is very still. Takeda still has a good chance at Kanzenseiha if he can get past Stage 3 (14th time's the charm! ;D ), and I honestly think that he'll continue to make it to Stage 3 regularly. Nagano still has much potential, but believe it or not, I think that his window of opportunity is going to close soon. After all, he's going to hit 40 in a few years already. Nevertheless, I would be shocked if Nagano didn't reach the Final Stage at least once more. For these reasons, I believe that the chances of the All-Stars achieving Kanzenseiha are in this order from least to greatest: Akiyama, Shiratori, Yamada, Yamamoto, Takeda, Nagano In the long run, I expect that Takeda will be the last of the 6 All-Stars to do well in Sasuke competitions (i.e. beating Stage 1). Regardless, however, I'm sad to say that I believe that the end may be approaching for the original All-Stars.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2010 19:27:08 GMT -5
Shingo, Takeda and Nagano are fine. The others are done for. Agreed with Oti here. But the others were always done for...
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Post by Oti on Jan 2, 2010 22:38:23 GMT -5
I dunno about that, JP. Despite the last post I made here, I REALLY do like to believe Yamada could go to therapy or something, actually train AND IMPROVE and come back and do better.
I suppose if he could, Akiyama could as well, but I see him as having a real life and being too busy to train all the time. Yamada, on the other hand...
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Post by Zorn on Jan 3, 2010 0:42:48 GMT -5
Nagano and Takeda are like the only all stars that have the most likely chances of doing well on the course. Nagano as always will make a comeback and Takeda will keep improving.
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Post by YamamotoFan! on Jan 3, 2010 10:04:41 GMT -5
Shingo, Takeda and Nagano are fine. The others are done for. 100% agree
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Post by awee1975 on Jan 3, 2010 10:35:21 GMT -5
i agree with yamfriend reply #10.
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Post by Zorn on Jan 3, 2010 18:06:12 GMT -5
Man so harsh but sadly true.......
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Post by davidyko on Jan 8, 2010 7:33:00 GMT -5
I was reading the Japanese wiki page on the All-Stars today, and came across this:
"Though there are 6 members of the All-Stars, because of Akiyama's semi-retirement due to eyesight problems, Shiratori's consecutive absences from Sasuke due to knee surgery, and Yamada's decision to retire, at the end of a 11-tournament 1st stage fail-streak, it has become more and more difficult to see all 6 All-Stars compete in the same tournament. Of the six, because Yamamoto, Takeda, and Nagano have participated in every tournament since their debut (Yamamoto participating in every tournament thus far), and generally do very well (Note: though Yamamoto has recently made mistakes often in the 1st stage, his potential was evident in Sasuke 23), in reality it is these three competitors that are carrying the All-Star's name (and honor) on their shoulders. In the Pro Sportsman No. 1 tournament broadcast on 1/7/2010, these three were also the ones who participated as All-Stars."
Looks like some people in Japan also have the same opinion as most of us here.
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Post by artyfowljr on Jan 8, 2010 8:28:48 GMT -5
well, evidence is evidence. But I'd so like to see them competing all together even only once more...
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Post by Zorn on Jan 8, 2010 12:23:40 GMT -5
"in reality it is these three competitors that are carrying the All-Star's name (and honor) on their shoulders"
Awww......that sounds so touching (teardrop falls)
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