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Post by SRW on Oct 21, 2008 18:01:19 GMT -5
well the ladder comes up to as far as the first set of end lights so however many meters that is is the height of the ladder and the rest is all the final rope.
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Post by supernovamaniac on Oct 22, 2008 21:30:28 GMT -5
That's if you view it from bottom.
Just like a thermometer, you can't look at it slanted. If you look straight into it, I believe it will end at 12.5 meter mark.
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Post by lars072 on Oct 23, 2008 5:19:29 GMT -5
I still think it's 3 different rpes at different heights and the competitor must transfer after the 1st and 2nd one. But we'll really never know until Nagano...I mean someone clears stage 3.
And by the way, watch the documentary "Super Size Me" and you'll never eat at McDonald's again. Trust me.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Oct 23, 2008 10:01:12 GMT -5
That 3 ropes thing was concept art and the final stage could not safely hold that now.
And I did see it, I still eat McDonalds, Not as often but I Still eat it.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 23, 2008 16:33:22 GMT -5
I still think it's 3 different rpes at different heights and the competitor must transfer after the 1st and 2nd one. But we'll really never know until Nagano...I mean someone clears stage 3. And by the way, watch the documentary "Super Size Me" and you'll never eat at McDonald's again. Trust me. Given that they are using the same scaffolding for the final stage, having some sort of rope transfer would be difficult in the cramped space (horizontally speaking). There are many possible ideas that haven't really been discussed though. Everyone talks about this "ladder" like it is actually a ladder. Granted, in the Third Stage overview shot of the Final Ring (not Gliding Ring), we can see at minimum some sort of transparency in the "ladder", but we really don't know for certain that there isn't some kind of obstacle or boundary (like plexiglass, which they've already shown they don't mind using on the Ascending Climb or Hang Climb). Suppose, for instance, the "ladder" is covered in plexiglass, and the ladder portion of the apparatus simply exists as a support structure that you can get some view through. How would you climb such a structure? The same way you climb the vertical portions of the Sliper Flip. The Final Stage would then be simple in structure and elegant in design. Climbing the apparatus would be similarly simple in concept, but quite difficult in function, and it would retain a sense of parallelism with the concept of the second final stage; moreover, the 2 simplistic vertical walls that are bizarrely climbed in what we know as a "Spider Climb" would be replaced by a similarly bizarre climb up a single wall which we are somewhat familiar with from the Spider Flip (or more accurately, the Heartbreaker, as Nagano didn't do much climbing up the vertical portions of the Spider Flip, but he did when he cleared the Heartbreaker) I would certainly think that a 12.5m "Grip Climb" (for lack of better name) and a 10m Rope Climb would yield a somewhat increased level of difficulty, retain the familiarity of the iconic Final Stage of the past nearly 10 years, present an elegent form, and force a level of familiarization with the approach to tackling the Final Stage that would prevent the stage from being defeated on one of the first attempts. There are certainly more possibilities, but just keep in mind that even if there is a ladder in the Final Stage, that doesn't mean it they have to climb a ladder in the Final Stage. (It's so obvious it's hard to realize, but Captain Obvious has come to the rescue!) --- Oh, and Super Size Me was great. I'd also recommend Eric Schlosser's book "Fast Food Nation" for more disgusting information. It was so bad that I didn't eat at McDonald's again for like a day. Besides, there is a grade of beef below what McDonald's accepts for it's food that remains "edible", legally speaking. That "meat" (if you can call it that) actually goes to the National School Lunch Program. So if you can't eat at McDonald's, I wouldn't recommend eating at your school (or the school we went to, if you're out of school).
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Post by Badalight on Oct 27, 2008 13:26:12 GMT -5
My school TRIES to give us healthly food.
They took away almost all soda, and what they do keep is diet. Although you'll get alzheimers ;O
The cookies they sell are like 1/5 of the size they used to be, they bake their foods instead of frying them.
One year they even took away the fries completely.
So I'd see the meat I'm getting at my school is healthier than the 5% meat I get from mcdonalds.
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Post by bigblind168 on Oct 30, 2008 19:22:00 GMT -5
I still think it's 3 different rpes at different heights and the competitor must transfer after the 1st and 2nd one. But we'll really never know until Nagano...I mean someone clears stage 3. And by the way, watch the documentary "Super Size Me" and you'll never eat at McDonald's again. Trust me. i own it, i still eat thier now to add common sense into somethings... if its a ladder it must be at a slant or something becuase when it drops they dont wanna have the competitors hit there nuts on metal while dropping @ lests say.... 25mph... OUCH! so unless they go 2 the summit anyway they prob have to have either a slant or the ladder is hooked to a crane and wen naga--- i mean the competitor is off the ladder then drop it or lay it to the side or simthing
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Post by lars072 on Oct 31, 2008 3:03:36 GMT -5
If you watch the end of Sasuke 17, they show a computer simulation of the Final Stage with 3 different ropes at different heights. I'm still going with that but we won't know until Nagano clears stage 3 in Sasuke 22.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Oct 31, 2008 11:56:26 GMT -5
There is no way that can be safely done with the final stage, this is the concept art This is the Final Stage not set up See how theres no safe way for them to do the concept art on the real final stage?
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Post by Badalight on Oct 31, 2008 12:54:25 GMT -5
The 3 ropes it technicakky posible.. but each rpoe would be extremely short, definately NOT how it looks in the concept art.
As fr your idea big blind... it can't be slanted... becuse the final stage would be a LOT longer. If it's slanted going to the same distance it's going to be almost twice as long.
Plus it would go back a ton of feet, so it'd be like starting the forest... and they'd need landing pads for the entire distance.
A slant wouldn't work at all.
I'm just going with my idea that it's NOT a ladder and we'll just be completely surprised whn we see what them come up with =p
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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 31, 2008 21:09:47 GMT -5
I'm just going with my idea that it's NOT a ladder and we'll just be completely surprised whn we see what them come up with =p We seem to agree in our thinking that it isn't a ladder, though I theorize that the "ladder" is involved as scaffolding for the apparatus that must be climbed. I'd be interested to hear if my ideas line up with yours further.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Oct 31, 2008 21:12:41 GMT -5
Doesn't have to be that slanted, but it could be a angled ladder that pulls away. Technicly this ladder is angled to Which seems more like what the final stage could be only not angled so steeply for it, just hang from the underside and climb, sort of like Devil Steps and Climbing Bars combined or something, That would be logical for a final stage.
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Post by supernovamaniac on Oct 31, 2008 23:28:27 GMT -5
The thing is: if its angled and leaned with no supports, it isn't safe.
If it is actually leaned back, then there is no point of climing from down since you have to reach the rope..... which you won't since the ladder would be in the way if it was done on a devil's step style. They will fly up if that was the case.
I still say straight up, but placed little bit in front or back so that when the contestant drops, they won't get hurt by landing directly into the ladder.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Nov 1, 2008 9:34:20 GMT -5
I say whats holding it angled are those motorised things like they used to hold the Spider Climb and pull the walls apart.
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Post by joemello on Nov 2, 2008 13:46:47 GMT -5
I say whats holding it angled are those motorised things like they used to hold the Spider Climb and pull the walls apart. I believe you are talking about a winch?
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Post by Badalight on Nov 4, 2008 14:05:35 GMT -5
Captain Obvious: I read your idea and I thought it was great.
So it'd kind of be like slimcinb up an I beam, or as you put it one of the vertical walls on the heartbreaker.
And with that they could make them turn around and switch, which would really be aqwuard and take some time up.
Or sort of like the konuichi version where they climbed up a ladder on one side, and then turned around and switched, except do that with your plexiglass idea.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 4, 2008 14:59:02 GMT -5
I like the I-beam simile. It describes my theory well, though the "ladder apparatus wall" is a bit wider than any I-beam I've ever seen. That said, I am suggesting that there is only the one "I-Beam Climb" rather than multiple with transfer(s).
However, if I could have designed the Final Stage v3, I would have put gaps in the Spider Climb similar to the staggered ladder of Kunoichi 3-4 Final Stage. Then there'd be (ideally, 2) staggered "I-Beam Climbs" to ascend before reaching the rope, which I would leave untouched.
Then, you'd have the visual appeal of the Final Stage v2 with an intimidating twist of half of the Spider Climb being deleted, making climbing it in the spider-fashion impossible. This would increase the difficulty a little bit, but it would introduce a learning curve that is quite needed for a Final Stage v3.
Either way, I believe: (1) There is a ladder (2) You're not supposed to climb the ladder.*
*To reiterate, a ladder-shaped scaffolding is visually appealing, allows for a "rear-view" cammera angle, and helps to estimate distance (great for those "Wow, he's going fast! We might have a winner!" feelings of anticipation that lead to great excitement during the meant-to-be-very-exciting Final Stage). As such, I cannot help but feel that there's more than meets the eye.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Nov 4, 2008 19:47:28 GMT -5
Like climbing the Heartbreaker only straight up?
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 4, 2008 22:36:23 GMT -5
Like climbing the Heartbreaker only straight up? Yes, and longer.
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Post by scnoi1217 on Nov 7, 2008 17:21:52 GMT -5
Even if the Final Stage is just a ladder and a Rope Climb, don't write it off as being easy. There also is something that doesn't meet the eye, and I'm sure whatever Final Stage it is, it will be the hardest Final Stage in history. People wrote off the Final Ring/Gliding Ring as just the 3rd Stage equivalent of the Circle Slider. How did that turn out? Is it fair to say that the Gliding Ring is harder than the Pipe Slider? I think so. So, whatever this Final Stage is, don't write it off as being easy, especially compared to past versions of the Final Stage.
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