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Post by RiderLeangle on Sept 29, 2008 22:32:55 GMT -5
Well I don't have anything to claim but the ladder being pulled back so people don't slam into it on the way down.
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Post by dwizzo on Sept 30, 2008 0:15:08 GMT -5
If it's an arms-only rule, a ladder is going to make the final stage much harder than before... The rope climb is hard enough in the time allotted, but if you have to use only upper body for the full tower that's going to be one heck of a challenge... I don't know if even Nagano is up to that given that on his best attempt he did it in ~28 seconds...
Personally, whatever the new final stage is, I don't think anyone will beat it for many years to come... Remember that in the past 9 years we've only had 1 winner, Nagano... And no one else has really gotten close... And it took him MANY attempts at the final stage...
Rest assured, whatever the new final stage is, it is harder than the previous one, even if it's a ladder... Do you really think they'd make it easier? Of course not...
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Post by RiderLeangle on Sept 30, 2008 0:37:12 GMT -5
Well like I said, the Arms Only thing is just speculation based on what Yamada was doing. I also claim if its an arms only rule for the Final Stage, so whether they pull it back or make it arms only I'd be right, I hope its both
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Post by SRW on Sept 30, 2008 3:26:40 GMT -5
Well, srw has dibs on the ladder theory since he suggested it way back in April 2008 after Sasuke 20. So if he's right, he gets all the bragging rights, if he's wrong, ...well that's a different story. Yep If I'm wrong I'm a dead man lol I am very confident though and hopefully in 22 Nagano will make it there, Unless theres some evil tweaks and one catches him out IE flying chute in 19.
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Post by Badalight on Sept 30, 2008 9:58:07 GMT -5
Rider, think about that idea for just a second.
And arms only rule? Are you kidding me?
how would that even work?
The ladder would have to be slanted from WAAAAY far back or else you'd be bumping into the ladder with your legs while you're climbing, however oyu look at it, it's NOT an arms only rule, there's no possible way.
It's incredibly hard to climb aladder with only your hands if your legs are banging on it, that would be stupid planning by them, and I seriously doubt that'd be the rule.
As we can see, if it IS a ladder than it isn't angled outwards, meaning you can't climb it with only your hands.
having a straight up ladder would be like I said too ahrd to climb with only your hands, people would be getting d/q left and right because of accidently touching it with their feet.
if it's a ladder, then it's a freaking ladder, they won't have any stupid rules, it'll be a ladder climb if that's what it truely is... no arms only rule. it MAY be tougher if the rope climb is longer, but from what I've seen it actually looks shorter... or at least the same size.
I already said it's highly doubtful that they'd change the time limit from 30-25, stop basing your theories on impossibilities.
They arn't going to have a 25 secong final stage, that's ridiculous.
Why don't they just make a 5 second final stage, but you take an extremely fast elevator to the top.
Yeah, stupid... the time limit is 30 seconds, it's the same heigth.
The only way it's going to be a ladder is if the rope climb is longer, or they just made a stupid mistake in design.
If someone makes it to the final stage, the only reason they woldnt beat it would be because of the fatigue from stage 3.
honestly, if it was a ladder climb even I'd get close to beating the final stage, and I JUST started climbing ropes.
yeah, climbing ladders is THAT easy. No joke, unless you have concrete shoes on, you arn't going to lose on the final stage =p especially not if you're Nagano.
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Post by scnoi1217 on Sept 30, 2008 11:12:07 GMT -5
What I'm still skeptical about, and none of the ladder supporters have answered, is how the ladder supposed to move when someone fails the Rope Climb? Is it going to be stationary and someone will run the risk of being impaled? Also, how is it going to be supported? Just based on physics, having a straight up ladder isn't going to work.
Also, to debunk this rumor once and for all, the "ladder" in the background of the Final Ring picture is not a ladder. Watch a high quality version of the video just before that and you'll see it is just a video allusion. No ladder in that picture (I'm not talking about the others though).
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Post by dwizzo on Sept 30, 2008 11:23:33 GMT -5
Also, to debunk this rumor once and for all, the "ladder" in the background of the Final Ring picture is not a ladder. Watch a high quality version of the video just before that and you'll see it is just a video allusion. No ladder in that picture (I'm not talking about the others though). What is a "video allusion"? Do you mean "illusion"? And if so, are you saying it was intentionally put in there by TBS to confuse people or are you saying it's just an optical illusion on accident?
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Post by scnoi1217 on Sept 30, 2008 11:27:13 GMT -5
Right, it's an optical illusion. In the frame before that picture there is no ladder shown, then once the picture was taken, there was a ladder.
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Post by SRW on Sept 30, 2008 12:21:38 GMT -5
I guess once you pass the ladder and are on the rope climb the ladder moves back out the way.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Sept 30, 2008 12:59:59 GMT -5
My guess would be the bottom is anchored around the base with the top the moving support things (Like the Spider Climb walls had) that when someones doing the stage is pushed out but as time goes in the ladder is pulled in so its all straight up when time goes low (and you should be on the rope climb by then, Don't know what exactly happens if you aren't but chances are its not going to be anything as dramatic as Jordan Jotchef (Did I spell that right?) in Sasuke 8). Theres no way they'd make the Final Stage easier with a ladder climb and short rope climb.
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Post by obakemono on Sept 30, 2008 13:13:05 GMT -5
They could simply not drop the rope.
Also, the thing about the optical illusion isn't true. It's there for the entire panning shot.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Sept 30, 2008 13:20:01 GMT -5
But dropping the rope is one of the iconic things about Sasuke, That'd be like taking out Spider Obstacles, the Warped Wall and the Cliffhanger.
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Post by Badalight on Sept 30, 2008 13:32:04 GMT -5
No ladder suporters have answers the REAL question here.
You can't simply climb up a straight ladder with just your hands.
As seen in the yamada picture, it's slanted.
The ladder you're all claiming is there, isn't slanted.
Thus you'd lcimb it normally, thus incredibly easy final stage.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Sept 30, 2008 13:39:00 GMT -5
I just adressed that issue. Have it steadied on hinges on the bottom, on the top have it on the same rigs that pull the Spider Climb walls apart, when in use the top is pushed out making it angle, when time runs out or not in use pull it back in. Go watch some old Sasuke where you can see the Final Stage in the back during stage one, you can see that the walls are pulled apart leaving me to beleive they keep it in the out of time posistion when not in use and I would assume they'd still do it. There has to be some kind of catch if they'd make it a ladder and a short rope.
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Post by Badalight on Sept 30, 2008 13:53:28 GMT -5
No, wow you arn't understanding.
I'm not talking about the safety issue Rider... I'm not talking about whent he compeittor fails and impales himself, I'm talking about when you are climbing upt he ladder.
You can't climb it going straight up with just your hands, they wouldn't do that.
it'd have to be at an insane angle which it's clearly not.
And the longer the angle, the long it is, so it'd be like double the old final stages heigth, and it wouldn't even be possible.
Face it, the only arms is un-confirmed.
The only way they'll ahve a ladder is if it's an easier final stage.
As much as I hate it, that's the only possible way.
They arn't going to limit how you climb the ladder.
They arn't going to change the time.
They havn't changed the heigth.
Either
A. The rope is longer
B. it's an easier final stage
C. It's NOT a ladder
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Post by RiderLeangle on Sept 30, 2008 14:06:46 GMT -5
Actually that wasn't the safety issue, I was explaining how arms only is possible, If its angled like that you can do it arms only. I find it hard to believe they make you do 3 difficult stages and then make you do the easiest Final Stage to date (Easier than the Kunoichi ones even).
Thats just saying "You beat the Third Stage, you Win!", But with a Final Stage like that, its moer like the Final Stage is a formality, there has to be some kind of catch!
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Post by SuperTiger on Sept 30, 2008 15:40:27 GMT -5
i know this is gonna sound farfetched, but what if you climb up the ladder and then have to undo the ladder from som hinges or something to make it fall backward/get out of the way and then you climb the final rope, thats definately time consuming. its just a thought.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Sept 30, 2008 17:04:37 GMT -5
That sounds more dangerous than anything.
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Post by joemello on Sept 30, 2008 17:38:43 GMT -5
I remember during Kunoichi 3-5, the ladders would pull back, even though the pole didn't come loose if you lost. I have to think that there will be some mechanism to remove whatever lies below.
.....maybe it's a cargo net.....
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Post by SuperTiger on Sept 30, 2008 18:02:02 GMT -5
Yeah, but in Kunoichi the ladders were able to split apart, this is just one ladder while the Kunoichi ladders were 2.
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