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Post by lars072 on Dec 26, 2009 0:47:16 GMT -5
Geez, TBS was pretty much guaranteeing someone would win after SASUKE 23, so are we really surprised here? Who knows if we'll be able to actually watch it 'live' anyways- I wasn't abe to last time and had to wait. Anothe thing, can we really rely on these spoliers- although, if the TBS site says 'kanzenheiha has been achieved' then I suppose we have to go with that.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Dec 26, 2009 0:49:48 GMT -5
Sasuke 19s commercial showed the Devil Steps in action.. by a tester.. That is all..
OK.. no it's not all because the spam forum is way down there. But you're angry because we're speculating over a commercial?.. Last time I checked isn't that what commercials are there for? and this is a spoiler forum and we haven't even seen the tournament, in fact unless you were there or one of the staff at TBS working on it no one has.. So why are you making a big deal over being spoiled about what may or may not have happened? I think you might want to reconsider what this forum is here for Bada.
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Post by Badalight on Dec 26, 2009 0:56:38 GMT -5
Arsenette, I think you're a bit confused here.
I was in chat with some people earlier who were complaining about it. They were complaining about the spoiled kazenseiha.
Yes we get this every time, but David and a bunch of other people are saying it's 100% confirmed this time.
TBS is basically flat out saying it this time, that's what I've been hearing, and others who see it think it's true.
Even if it's not, that's what they think.
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Post by Badalight on Dec 26, 2009 0:58:30 GMT -5
Sasuke 19s commercial showed the Devil Steps in action.. by a tester.. That is all.. OK.. no it's not all because the spam forum is way down there. But you're angry because we're speculating over a commercial?.. Last time I checked isn't that what commercials are there for? and this is a spoiler forum and we haven't even seen the tournament, in fact unless you were there or one of the staff at TBS working on it no one has.. So why are you making a big deal over being spoiled about what may or may not have happened? I think you might want to reconsider what this forum is here for Bada. Rider read the thread. i said I don't care about me, but multiple others who I've talked to arn't even going to bother watching this time around. I just thought it's an issue that needed to be brought up, and if people arn't watching and it's our fault, it needs to be fixed regardless of what you or anyone else says.
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Post by arsenette on Dec 26, 2009 1:02:35 GMT -5
No bada it is not our fault we are talking about an official commercial. Plain and simple. This is not the G4 forums where we have to delete everything we write because we are trying to protect the show. The trailer (because quite frankly that is what this is) is now here and we get to talk about the show before it starts. Do YOU stop watching a movie because you saw the trailer and saw what you perceived to be the main character of the show being killed??
This is NO different than Sasuke 21-23. I suggest you talk to your friends about their priorities. They may be using this as an excuse to not watch the show. Don't blame everyone here because we are doing exactly what TBS wants us to do. Talk about the show. We've had nothing since it taped on the 8th and everyone bitched there were no commercials.. now there is one and we can't talk about it? I'm sorry but someone is being super sensitive. We have a locked board in a private forum specifically for this. Any other useless threads of zomg they are going to win because they saw a car in the frame should be deleted or ignored but for the love of .. it's a damn commercial.
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Post by lars072 on Dec 26, 2009 1:04:56 GMT -5
TBS has been putting out spoilers for a long time now....remember Nagano's victory in #17? Just watch it and enjoy it for what it is. Whenever that is....nevermind.
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Post by jams on Dec 26, 2009 1:07:43 GMT -5
I've been a long time lurker. This is my second account since my first one was lost between Sasuke 22 and 23, and I just made my first post like 9 hours ago. Anyway, I can't speak for all lurkers but I did want to comment on a few things. Unless I'm overlooking or missed something, I haven't seen any spoilers in threads dedicated to dates and viewings. I also agree that it is a bit of a stretch to say that someone isn't going to watch just because they may have accidentally seen a speculated ending. If people are telling you this then I would question how serious they were about watching it in the first place. The way I see it we are all Sasuke fans if we are here and were planning to be up at 3am New Years Day and sit through a 6 hour event. Knowing that someone might possibly complete it doesn't make a dedicated fan like that not want to see it anymore. If anything it makes them want to watch even more to see who it is. Like arsenette said, at this point its all speculation. It's media hype by TBS to try and generate more viewers for their show. We cannot take any information as fact until the event is shown. Just because TBS hints at something doesn't mean its going to happen. Every person in those clips could be testers or old footage from different angles. For all we know everyone could fail the first stage, but TBS isn't going to say that because then no one would watch. Well actually I still would.
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Post by Badalight on Dec 26, 2009 1:11:49 GMT -5
Arsenette can you be quiet for a second and try to understand what I'm saying?
These people ARE NOT MY FRIENDS.
They are regular forum lurkers who decided to come to the froums (today) to gain info on when Sasuke 24 would air. They accidently stumbled on the spoilers and I was able to talk to them about it in the chat.
Some people don't like spoilers Arsenette. I for one hate spoilers. You don't. You have a COMPLETELY different mind set than these people. It's completely unfair to judge them based on your own beliefs.
I get pissed at spoilers, even if they're fake. I may be bad, but there are people worse than me out there like ones who will no longer be joining us for the viewing of 24.
I'm not saying we can't talk about spoilers here, just that we need stricter rules.
Sheep and Scnoi have already started collaborating on a new idea, so before you start anything it's not just me who see's a problem.
I'm not alone in this, don't single me out. There IS a problem, you can ignore it if you want. Just because you like spoilers doesn't mean everyone does.
I realize this is not G4, but we arn't restricting spoilers completely, we are just makinng sure people know spoilers are ahead so they don't ACCIDENTLY read them.
What's the harm in putting (spoilers) in the thread of a title? Is that too much to ask? no. If you're opposed to something as simple as that then there's really no hope for you.
I think you're making way to big a deal about this. I don't want this forum to be uber strict and tyrannical on spoilers, i just want to make sure people don't accidently have the ending of a god damn tournament spoiled for them.
I don't care if the tournament get's spoiled for me, granted it was spoiled in a thread with (spoilers) in the title.
But for me and others who find spoilers in the weirdest places, that's just unfair.
How will people know how to watch Sasuke 24 without coming to this section? If people are running rampant in every topic with spoilers, they have no hope of not getting spoiled.
I honestly could care less if the spoilers are fake or not Arsenette, that's not the point of this at all.
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Post by arsenette on Dec 26, 2009 1:29:43 GMT -5
Here lies the problem though. And please bada I'm not yelling at you. I'll direct it to those who have not stepped up and said this themselves since I'm guessing it's the new people. Which is fine I just want to make sure this gets out first. I am hoping people come to see the show and I want people to enjoy their experience. Seriously. I am and always have been. Which is why I have been passionate about the show and these forums.
I can understand this argument if Sasuke 24 aired. It hasn't yet. The concept of spoilers should be saved for when it airs. Mods are very strict and have been fantastic when it airs and forces people to change the topic to "Nagano's run" as opposed to "zomg his final". The problem is that we are arguing over a commercial and basing our watching habits due to a trailer.
The only advice I have to say is that if those people (whoever they are - most likely lurkers who have never seen Sasuke in their life live and do not understand how TBS operates) needs to step back for a minute.
a) The date of the events including times, etc. are in several places that are not inside the 24 forums. We have a calendar with all the appropriate information right on the front page of this site. You don't even have to log in to see it so if they are really genuinely interested in watching this without spoilers there's a myriad of ways. Facebook, 2 blogs, 4 official pages, Front page Calendar and even email notifications.
b) TBS will continue to show tidbits of information designed to provoke a response. If that bothers you please ignore Sasuke Navi, all of TBS programming since the commercials come up without warning at all kinds of odd hours. Ignore any TBS programming including the first maybe.. what.. 10-20 minutes of Sasuke 24 since they usually do a "this is what happened in 23" here are clips of 24 (some with testers...) and then do an interview segment with the main people being shown and then the actual show with the first guy. My suggestion if you want to be 100% spoiled (whoops.. spoiler free) is come late to Sasuke 24.
Most importantly. Watch the show and ignore all forums. We can't be held responsible for the irresponsible acts of a chosen few. If anyone remembers 23... the lead up to 23 almost gave me ulcers. People speculated 14 people in the final with orange pants and zomg everything from the commercials and some obscure blogs with teh course being half a mile away.
While the mods have been quick in changing titles of repeat offenders they are doing things as fast as they can. These are all volunteers who take time to herd cats.
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Post by arsenette on Dec 26, 2009 1:30:58 GMT -5
P.S. in the middle of this jams had a great post. Thanks for contributing and coming out of the shadows to post your opinion
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Post by supernovamaniac on Dec 26, 2009 1:31:47 GMT -5
Sigh... when will the f**king bitching stop?
Drop it seriously, I'm getting tired of this.
Sure, there's the spoiler tag, but not everyone knows about it. Did scnoi send that out in a personal Christmas gift saying 'Here kids! Use this whenever you need to make Badalight's life happy!' or something? No. Don't expect everything to be perfect until all the rules are enforced.
I know its not too much to ask, but you're approaching this from a wrong side. Rather than just simply asking for a rule change followed by an enforcement, you are just commanding us to do something that you, and few other people, don't like.
I appreciate your concern and all, but no offense, if you approach it from that direction, no one is going to f**king care. Hell, I cared about it alright, until you started to write a whole essay about it.
And arsenette has a good point. Going with your theory, you shouldn't watch any movie that you've seen on TV. Or even further, you shouldn't even buy any product that's advertised on television. Hell even, you shouldn't even watch dramas because they always have these 'on the next episode' crap.
I honestly could care more if you weren't trying to 'force' us to follow your direction.
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Post by Badalight on Dec 26, 2009 1:39:47 GMT -5
Nova, this was never about me, it was the few people I talked to earlier today. So stopped trying to make me out to be some conceited grumpy person. I hate spoilers but I know they might not be true and I'm a big enough fan to watch even if the whole thing was spoiled.
ONCE AGAIN, I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT MYSELF.
This isn't, and was never about me Nova, so stop trying to make it sound like that.
About spoilers tags, BLT made a thread about it.
I am not "commanding" I made a thread (That by the way you don't have to read) pointing out a problem and giving suggestions on how it needs to be fixed, and I'm not the only one who thinks this way.
Maybe I came off a little bit strong, but I made the thread right after talking to those people who are now refusing to watch Sasuke 24.
Is it right that they arn't watching Sasuke 24? That's not my or your opinions to judge. Everyone is different so don't try to act like your opinion is supreme.
Some people really hate Spoilers, really really REALLY hate spoilers that they will not watch Sasuke 24.
Is it maybe a bit extreme? In my opinion yes, but I shouldn't be the one to judge that. We should cater to all of our fans, and what I've asked and what Scnoi and Sheep have been talking about is not extreme at all.
It'd just be a slight change to prevent any one from complaining. All it takes is a few extra seconds to make sure something isn't being spoiled. That alone will solve most of our problems.
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Post by Lennon on Dec 26, 2009 1:40:03 GMT -5
Umm.. I'm just confused how a bunch of lurkers "stumbled" across some spoilers. I know, supposedly they were looking for air dates and the sort, but.. if my memory is correct, we have a couple threads just for that that does not have any spoilers. So it sounds like to me that the "accident" was more of a "curiosity."
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Post by Badalight on Dec 26, 2009 1:43:47 GMT -5
Each person had a different story.
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Post by arsenette on Dec 26, 2009 1:45:16 GMT -5
The original thread was made by one of our Taiwanese friends who rarely writes since I'm sure his English is not his first language. To my knowledge all he did was post the commercial for everyone to see and copied and pasted the official wording to that came on the TBS site. That.. was it. What happened afterward to my knowledge happened after I left. I assume SRW and his posts of Nagano took over for a while and maybe a couple more? or was it just the commercial one? By the time I got back the first post of the original thread showing the commercial had been edited. Then I went back to what I was doing.
Then chat happened again I can only assume.. that spilled again onto the boards. And now we are held captive by people who have never seen TBS and do not understand how they promote their own shows through their own websites.
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Post by supernovamaniac on Dec 26, 2009 1:51:59 GMT -5
It doesn't matter if you don't care or not. You're being the spokesperson for the group, so in the end you're still the person that I'm talking to.
'Is it maybe a bit extreme? In my opinion yes, but I shouldn't be the one to judge that. We should cater to all of our fans, and what I've asked and what Scnoi and Sheep have been talking about is not extreme at all.'
Jesus look at your posts. You're writing an essay. Planning to release a book? I think so. And you call the rest of the forums extreme? Huh...
If this isn't how you don't want it to be, then leave, make your own forums, and stay there.
And if they don't want to watch, fine with me. They stumbled upon this place, and they knew that they had a chance of stumbling on a spoiler.
Less people watching = the ability to stream to more forum regulars.
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Post by Badalight on Dec 26, 2009 1:52:37 GMT -5
Arsenette:
After the taiwaneese guy posted the trailer Davidkyo made a post saying that he translated the text and it was basically ensuring 100% that a kazenseiha was achieved.
He stated multiple sources confirm kazenseiha and it's even the subtitle of the show "kazenseiha achieved on new years eve!".
This basically cause a bunch of people to go ballistic, and thoughts of kazenseiha spilled into other thread.
Specifically Sesslers Sasuke Guessing game thread.
Of course I was reading into that thread because I've taken part in all 3 of the previous ones and even won twice. I noticed a bunch of people were saying Nagano would achieve kazenseiha.
Then Blind replied to me and said something along the lines of "TBS said a champion will be crowned, so people are assuming it's nagano" then the thread turned into a large discussion of the kazenseiha.
How reliable of a source is David? Hell if I know. He does know Japanese though so when I personally saw the spoilers I believed it. Whether it's true or not, they were believable. More so than previous tournaments anyway.
A few hours later I logged onto the chat and encountered a few people complaining that sasuke had been spoiled and they weren't gonna watch. (Granted there was also people who got spoiled and are still gonna watch, so it's not like everyone is abandoning ship).
The only name I recognized was Arty, but she said she will still be watching the Sasuke 24 broadcast.
Basically I talked to them and me already being pissed that I was spoiled randomly, added on with a bunch of other people who got spoiled and were now saying they weren't gonna watch, I made this thread.
And here we are.
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Post by Badalight on Dec 26, 2009 1:54:12 GMT -5
It doesn't matter if you don't care or not. You're being the spokesperson for the group, so in the end you're still the person that I'm talking to. 'Is it maybe a bit extreme? In my opinion yes, but I shouldn't be the one to judge that. We should cater to all of our fans, and what I've asked and what Scnoi and Sheep have been talking about is not extreme at all.' Jesus look at your posts. You're writing an essay. Planning to release a book? I think so. And you call the rest of the forums extreme? Huh... If this isn't how you don't want it to be, then leave, make your own forums, and stay there. Nova you're pissing me off, if you don't have anything good to say about the topic then leave. At this point all you're doing is insulting me so if you continue I will report you. I am being the "spokesperson" for these people because they are just LURKERS and a lot of them probaly won't even come to these forums (or atleast this section) again.
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Post by supernovamaniac on Dec 26, 2009 2:00:31 GMT -5
Go ahead and report at your will if you must. It's not like my f***ing life's gonna end.
And yes, you are being the "spokesperson" for those people because they are lurkers, and I'm fine with that. But what you don't realize is that when I'm saying something against you, it doesn't necessarily mean that you are doing it (true in some cases); rather, it is directed at the whole group in general.
And seriously, I would love for more people to watch SASUKE and stuff, but here's the thing. The ink's spilled. It's a done deal. If they don't want to come, they won't. If they decide to show up, they will.
'Nova you're pissing me off'
Yup you haven't seen me in a rage yet.
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Post by Badalight on Dec 26, 2009 2:03:45 GMT -5
I don't care if they're in the right or wrong, but we should at least try to help the situation out.
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